JAW3336 said:

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I don't understand looking at buying a Raptor but being concerned with MPG.

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Not concerned with mpg per se. Just trying to compare between the 2 engines I asked about.

BlackLab said:

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Test drive a raptor. Big mistake - what a incredible truck.

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Told you

Hate the small displacement turbo engines. Hate the exhaust note. Love my post recall ZR2 6.2L and it was $11k off MSRP

BlackLab said:

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Test drove a raptor. Big mistake - what an incredible truck.

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After you buy it, sign up for the Raptor Assault school in Utah.

BlueSmoke said:

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BlackLab said:

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JAW3336 said:

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I don't understand looking at buying a Raptor but being concerned with MPG.

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Not concerned with mpg per se. Just trying to compare between the 2 engines I asked about.

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Aren't there still serious issues with the GM 6.2? Hundreds of thousands of recalls, "fixed" by running a different oil. Not a fan....

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yes. the 0w-40 to fix high shearing in the engine has not solved all of the issues.

Raptor and it's not close

How many of the earlier Raptor 6.2L versions are out there? I'd assume they are offered for a premium since they moved to the smaller turbo.

Better engine. Better sound. Cheaper price if you can find them?

BlueSmoke said:

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How many of the earlier Raptor 6.2L versions are out there? I'd assume they are offered for a premium since they moved to the smaller turbo.

Better engine. Better sound. Cheaper price if you can find them?

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A moderate to low mileage good condition Gen1 brings all the money. Even higher mileage ones if maintained are highly sought after.

I had a '13 FX4. All the bells and whistles back in the day.

When I was in with the finance guy we joked about Raptors and he said just wait 18 months and they're back on the lot. Maybe because they were newer, but he said people get them, don't realize how wide they are, how hard they are to park and daily drive, and of course the mileage. Then they're back in his office to get a "regular" truck.

I could see that. But the raptor seems smaller and much more agile/responsive than my 2500 daily driver.

BlackLab said:

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I could see that. But the raptor seems smaller and much more agile/responsive than my 2500 daily driver.

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Maybe it's just Fords, but he said the turning radius in the Raptor was/is worse than their 3/4 ton and it's wider. Never had either, so take it with a grain of salt.

It's definitely wider, but I'm not a city dweller, so rarely have to park in cramped parking lots. Even before I got a Raptor, I've always tried to park way out away from other cars or in an end spot (close to the curb) so I can avoid door dings. The only places where the width is a problem is at the drive through bank (it's close but fits) and automated car washes won't touch it.

Compared to my Dad's 2024 F250 Diesel, it's like driving a go kart. Shorter wheel base, less weight, and wider track give it better handling. The suspension is a completely different world. Even small bumps in the F250 are back breaking compared to the Raptor. My brother that drives a cheaply lifted Chevy 2500 and thinks the F250 rides like an Ox Cart by comparison.

I have a 2014 with 140k. I take regular maintenance seriously. Daily driver and major trips from east coast to TX. Snow, mountains, but not Moab. I have had it on desert roads between Big Bend and Terlingua. 90 MPH through dry river beds are fun; then I drove home.

That said. I wish I still had my '03 Land Cruiser that I sold in 2020 with 245k miles. Nothing to do with the Raptor. Just a dumb decision on my part.

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It's definitely wider, but I'm not a city dweller, so rarely have to park in cramped parking lots. Even before I got a Raptor, I've always tried to park way out away from other cars or in an end spot (close to the curb) so I can avoid door dings. The only places where the width is a problem is at the drive through bank (it's close but fits) and automated car washes won't touch it.

Compared to my Dad's 2024 F250 Diesel, it's like driving a go kart. Shorter wheel base, less weight, and wider track give it better handling. The suspension is a completely different world. Even small bumps in the F250 are back breaking compared to the Raptor. My brother that drives a cheaply lifted Chevy 2500 and thinks the F250 rides like an Ox Cart by comparison.

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My 2500 tremor definitely feels like a covered wagon sometimes. I do miss the cushiony feel of my '21 f150.

That's one of the only areas the GMC/CHEVY 2500 AT4X shines over the Tremor. The Multimatic suspension rides great.

Doesn't help that 250 tremor is really just a 350. This thing can tow heavy.

ChoppinDs40 said:

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Doesn't help that 250 tremor is really just a 350. This thing can tow heavy.

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Got to be careful there, don't want to get pulled over by an overzealous highway patrolman and be over 26k without a CDL

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Doesn't help that 250 tremor is really just a 350. This thing can tow heavy.

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Got to be careful there, don't want to get pulled over by an overzealous highway patrolman and be over 26k without a CDL

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26k is the GVWR limit… I wonder if I could put 19,000lbs in the bed of this truck.

I did put 2.5 yards of soil in it last year and it barely squatted an inch.

ChoppinDs40 said:

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Corps_Ag12 said:

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Doesn't help that 250 tremor is really just a 350. This thing can tow heavy.

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Got to be careful there, don't want to get pulled over by an overzealous highway patrolman and be over 26k without a CDL

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26k is the GVWR limit… I wonder if I could put 19,000lbs in the bed of this truck.

I did put 2.5 yards of soil in it last year and it barely squatted an inch.

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Sorry have to harsh your buzz, but the GVWR of the F-250 Tremor is 10,100 lbs. It can tow 18,200lbs for a GCWR of 28,300 lbs.

That is pretty standard and nothing to be upset about, same with the GMC AT4/AT4X. I haven't checked the RAM. I would love for GM to offer an H.O. option on their duramax like the powerstroke has.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Corps_Ag12 said:

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Doesn't help that 250 tremor is really just a 350. This thing can tow heavy.

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Got to be careful there, don't want to get pulled over by an overzealous highway patrolman and be over 26k without a CDL

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26k is the GVWR limit… I wonder if I could put 19,000lbs in the bed of this truck.

I did put 2.5 yards of soil in it last year and it barely squatted an inch.

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Sorry have to harsh your buzz, but the GVWR of the F-250 Tremor is 10,100 lbs. It can tow 18,200lbs for a GCWR of 28,300 lbs.

That is pretty standard and nothing to be upset about, same with the GMC AT4/AT4X. I haven't checked the RAM. I would love for GM to offer an H.O. option on their duramax like the powerstroke has.

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That's what it's rated at but this thing is easily a 12k GVWR vehicle. It's a derated f350. I've seen diesel f350 tremors with over 4k payload.

Anyways, I'm just tickled that I can easily tow a 16k fifth wheel. This truck makes my 35' 9k bumper pull seem like nothing.

The best bet to stay under there CDL limit, is get an F250 with the 11,900 gvwr package and a trailer with dual 7K axels, putting you just under the 26K pound GVWR limit. Then don't put a load on the trailer that is more than 14K pounds including the trailer weight.

What a lot of people don't understand is that with these constant growing GVWRs on pickups, just hooking up to a heavy duty but empty trailer can put you over the limit.

GVWR is the weight of the vehicle, only. 26,000 pounds is the limit for the vehicle weight.

Do we really think guys with DRW pulling 35' horse trailers have CDLs? Come on guys. Or grandpa pulling a 44' 5th wheel that weighs 19,000 lbs?

The rating for the vehicle AND trailer is GCWR.

Additionally, this is not towing commercially.

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Enviroag02 said:

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Hate the small displacement turbo engines. Hate the exhaust note. Love my post recall ZR2 6.2L and it was $11k off MSRP

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Different oil weight doesn't sound like the best fix in the world to me. Potential for future lifter issues also remains

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Maybe you missed the fact that I specified "post recall", meaning an engine manufactured after they made the manufacturing change that actually resolved the issue for future engines.

YouBet said:

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I've said it before but if this board is in anyway indicative of real life, then buying a truck of any brand or model is about the dumbest damn vehicle decision anyone could ever make.

This board has scared me from ever buying a truck of any kind. Cam phasers, lifters, transmissions, electronics, spontaneous combustion....trucks got it all bad.

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Except for the previous gen Tundras and gas powered Titans (the diesels were unreliable), that's generally correct.

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YouBet said:

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I've said it before but if this board is in anyway indicative of real life, then buying a truck of any brand or model is about the dumbest damn vehicle decision anyone could ever make.

This board has scared me from ever buying a truck of any kind. Cam phasers, lifters, transmissions, electronics, spontaneous combustion....trucks got it all bad.

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There's overly cautious and there's plain stupid. In my opinion, buying a GM product of ANY kind fits into the latter. Some people disagree while other's don't care -- they're going to buy the best looking and/or feature driven vehicle they can find and screw reliability.

The bottom line is, it's YOUR money.

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My GM is 10 years old. It's been totally fine until this week when I had to replace my windshield and my battery on the same day. Neither of which are GM issues, but now I wonder if it's a sign to get something new.

Granted, I have <45k miles on it still.

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91AggieLawyer said:

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YouBet said:

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I've said it before but if this board is in anyway indicative of real life, then buying a truck of any brand or model is about the dumbest damn vehicle decision anyone could ever make.

This board has scared me from ever buying a truck of any kind. Cam phasers, lifters, transmissions, electronics, spontaneous combustion....trucks got it all bad.

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There's overly cautious and there's plain stupid. In my opinion, buying a GM product of ANY kind fits into the latter. Some people disagree while other's don't care -- they're going to buy the best looking and/or feature driven vehicle they can find and screw reliability.

The bottom line is, it's YOUR money.

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My GM is 10 years old. It's been totally fine until this week when I had to replace my windshield and my battery on the same day. Neither of which are GM issues, but now I wonder if it's a sign to get something new.

Granted, I have <45k miles on it still.

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I wish I knew how to put that little miles on a vehicle. I traded my 24 Yukon in on my 26 GMC 2500 because it had 35,000 miles on it and I knew something was wrong with the motor, I could just feel it even though the techs said it was fine. With the horror stories on the 6.2l and knowing that if the motor crapped I would be out the vehicle for 3 months, I jumped on the high trade offer because it was a certified candidate.

3 days after the trade, I got the recall letter telling me to stop driving it and bring it to the dealer immediately. You can't make this stuff up...

I'm about to roll 10k on my f250... have had for right at 1 year. Almost 2500 of those miles have been towing our RV. Hoping to be able to keep 10k/miles a year as an average... should be able to keep this for 10+ years (which I know isn't going to happen, lol)

ChoppinDs40 said:

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GVWR is the weight of the vehicle, only. 26,000 pounds is the limit for the vehicle weight.

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You are correct that GVWR is for the vehicle only, and a GVWR over 26K requires a Class A or B license (if you don't have a CDL).

However, in Texas a Class A license is also required if the GCWR is over 26K, provided the trailer being towed has a GVWR over 10K.

ChoppinDs40 said:

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GVWR is the weight of the vehicle, only. 26,000 pounds is the limit for the vehicle weight.

Do we really think guys with DRW pulling 35' horse trailers have CDLs? Come on guys. Or grandpa pulling a 44' 5th wheel that weighs 19,000 lbs?

The rating for the vehicle AND trailer is GCWR.

Additionally, this is not towing commercially.

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Also, #2 here is how the guys in those DRW with a horse trailer are getting around needing a step up in license...

Class C
Authorizes an individual to drive:
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Single vehicle or combination of vehicles that are not included in Class A or B

Single vehicle with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds towing a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 pounds

Designed to transport 23 or less passengers including the driver
Note: Vehicles rated for the transport of 16-23 passengers including the driver require a Class C CDL, unless exempt

An autocycle.

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BlackLab said:

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I've been a gmc driver for 10+ years and looking to downsize from a 2500. What are the boards thoughts between the 2026 AT4x (6.2) versus the Raptor 801a (3.5). Debating between these two trucks and looking at reliability, mpg, comfort, and which one might not get stolen lol. Right now sticker is about the same but some gmc dealers are offering up to 10k off the at4x.

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Honestly, probably better off going with a Tremor or Rebel. Really good compromises on off road capability without completely losing ride, payload, and hauling capability. Could even stay with a 2500 / 250 gasser.