Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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YouBet said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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This aggression will not stand.

I just paused my YTTV account and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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It's not their fault. They are trying to hold serve against Disney who is ESPN and who is Hulu.

I'm pissed that y'all are making me defend Google.

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It's 100% their fault. They came up with a business model where they have practically no leverage.

They can't advocate or protect their customers from price gouging because they have to succumb to whims of a provider or piss off their entire subscriber base.

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Just out of curiosity, what other business model would you suggest for them?

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I'm not in the media business and have no desire to be.

I do know how to negotiate contracts and protect both my firm and my clients' interests because I do that everyday.

You don't have to like what I'm saying but it's the truth. Google has no power here. They aren't the only game in town and now that their providers have their own streaming platform(s) they have practically no leverage.

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Ok, but you said they came up with a bad business model for YTTV. But in reality they chose the only business model available for the space. The landscape is changing. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you were never negotiating a deal that kept Montgomery Ward's catalog business humming along.

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Refer to my last post.

Times change and either you change with them or you get left behind. Montgomery Ward…Blockbuster…Sears…all companies that failed to evolve and adapt.

Netflix did. Amazon did. Apple did.

Why can't Google do what Netflix and those others did and become a content provider? Having 100% of your business dependent on the work product of someone else is not a good negotiating position to be in. Those people can state their price and if your customers demand their product, you are SOL.

Yes, their business model is flawed. No, it isn't the only one available. They basically did what comcast, spectrum, etc do, just with a different logo.

I'm not really sure what else to say. If you want to defend their business model, I guess help yourself.

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Ag Tag said:

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I recommend AT&T Uverse, it's worked perfectly for me for a decade.

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I switched away from U-verse three years ago due to the cost, but retained the ATT Fiber Internet.

I think now it's all Direct TV Stream

edit... Looks like ATT has kicked all of their TV back to DirectTV
And it aint cheap at all

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You basically have to be grandfathered into U-Verse to have it now, new customers cant get it

Hank the Grifter said:

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Ive had YouTube TV for 7 years. Paid $35 a month when I joined. Now it's nearly $85.
I've gone through these dumbass disputes before but I'm pretty much over it after this.
I need to find an alternative. I've never had a carrier (corded or otherwise) that does this to it's subscribers as often as YTTV.

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There is no good alternative, they all will screw you over and keep raising prices

AggieArchitect04 said:

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Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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YouBet said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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This aggression will not stand.

I just paused my YTTV account and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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It's not their fault. They are trying to hold serve against Disney who is ESPN and who is Hulu.

I'm pissed that y'all are making me defend Google.

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It's 100% their fault. They came up with a business model where they have practically no leverage.

They can't advocate or protect their customers from price gouging because they have to succumb to whims of a provider or piss off their entire subscriber base.

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Just out of curiosity, what other business model would you suggest for them?

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I'm not in the media business and have no desire to be.

I do know how to negotiate contracts and protect both my firm and my clients' interests because I do that everyday.

You don't have to like what I'm saying but it's the truth. Google has no power here. They aren't the only game in town and now that their providers have their own streaming platform(s) they have practically no leverage.

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Ok, but you said they came up with a bad business model for YTTV. But in reality they chose the only business model available for the space. The landscape is changing. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you were never negotiating a deal that kept Montgomery Ward's catalog business humming along.

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Refer to my last post.

Times change and either you change with them or you get left behind. Montgomery Ward…Blockbuster…Sears…all companies that failed to evolve and adapt.

Netflix did. Amazon did. Apple did.

Why can't Google do what Netflix and those others did and become a content provider? Having 100% of your business dependent on the work product of someone else is not a good negotiating position to be in. Those people can state their price and if your customers demand their product, you are SOL.

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The thing is Google can generate all the content they want. None of that makes it cheaper for the consumer who wants ESPN programming.

Dish, Direct, Comcast, Spectrum, you name them... They want $100 a month for the channels I want and 150 more that I don't.
Two year ago YTTV gave me the channels/content I wanted without the ones I didn't at a fraction of that cost. They didn't need to generate their own content to attract customers.

Consumers don't want 15 different platforms to watch the programming/content they want. Especially when each of those "are a bargain" at just $1 a day!

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Once again the consumer gets screwed over one way or another.

Decent timing for us with a bye week, but what is happening and what are our contingencies?

It would be peak Aggie to have the most success we've had since the early 90s and also not be able to watch them on TV…for an entirely different reason.

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As you all know, I love screwing corporations.

I watch all my games on free streaming services online. Yes, all of them, google. I don't watch games on a TV, I watch them on my desktop on my 2nd monitor while I read meltdowns on TexAgs on the other.

Try it. Don't pay these corps anything.

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This is the way

It's not so much a defense of their business model as it is a lamentation that Disney is fully vertically integrating live tv with content and if we are headed down that path (which you seem to be defending...knowingly or not) we are going to end up with a duopoly like we have with mobile phones.

That is bad for consumers. If Disney is going to do this to YTTV then other carriers are next. So everyone on the cable sidelines or with DTV or DISH shouldn't get comfortable.

And now the networks are apparently trying to kill free OTA so going rabbit ears may not be the outlet for local going forward if that happens.

All of this simply leads to higher prices for everyone.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Stinky T said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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YouBet said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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This aggression will not stand.

I just paused my YTTV account and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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It's not their fault. They are trying to hold serve against Disney who is ESPN and who is Hulu.

I'm pissed that y'all are making me defend Google.

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It's 100% their fault. They came up with a business model where they have practically no leverage.

They can't advocate or protect their customers from price gouging because they have to succumb to whims of a provider or piss off their entire subscriber base.

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Just out of curiosity, what other business model would you suggest for them?

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I'm not in the media business and have no desire to be.

I do know how to negotiate contracts and protect both my firm and my clients' interests because I do that everyday.

You don't have to like what I'm saying but it's the truth. Google has no power here. They aren't the only game in town and now that their providers have their own streaming platform(s) they have practically no leverage.

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Ok, but you said they came up with a bad business model for YTTV. But in reality they chose the only business model available for the space. The landscape is changing. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you were never negotiating a deal that kept Montgomery Ward's catalog business humming along.

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Refer to my last post.

Times change and either you change with them or you get left behind. Montgomery Ward…Blockbuster…Sears…all companies that failed to evolve and adapt.

Netflix did. Amazon did. Apple did.

Why can't Google do what Netflix and those others did and become a content provider? Having 100% of your business dependent on the work product of someone else is not a good negotiating position to be in. Those people can state their price and if your customers demand their product, you are SOL.

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The thing is Google can generate an the content they want. None of that makes it cheaper for the consumer who wants ESPN programming.

Dish, Direct, Comcast, Spectrum, you name them... They want $100 a month for the channels I want and 150 more that I don't.
Two year ago YTTV gave me the channels/content I wanted without the ones I didn't at a fraction of that cost. They didn't need to generate their own content to attract customers.

Consumers don't want 15 different platforms to watch the programming/content they want. Especially when each of those "are a bargain" at just $1 a day!

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No that's exactly what they wanted. And the market responded. 10+ years ago the complaint was cable packages. People didn't want to pay for 100 channels they never watched. Now we have a dozen platforms, and most offer some proprietary content.

Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV+ all produce content which, at the very least, insulates them (somewhat) from one provider being able to jump up and start dictating their pricing to their customers.

I subscribe to YouTube TV for one reason: sports. So when that is interrupted, if there isn't some other compelling reason for me to stay (such as an "Only on YTTV" movie/show) then it's much easier for me as a consumer to walk away and find another solution. Which is what you are seeing explored throughout this thread. In fact, several people have said they might go to Hulu…which is the same as Disney…who owns ESPN/ABC. So this is playing out just swell for exactly one person at the negotiating table: Disney.

As it is today, Google's YouTubeTV is not sustainable.

The answer is someone to break the ESiPN monopoly on college sports. These 10-yr deals are the back breaker of true competition. If Amazon (and others) could regularly bid on that programming it would help level the playing field. As it is, non-Disney carriers must take-it-or-leave-it.

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The answer is someone to break the ESiPN monopoly on college sports. These 10-yr deals are the back breaker of true competition. If Amazon (and others) could regularly bid on that programming it would help level the playing field. As it is, non-Disney carriers must take-it-or-leave-it.

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Good thing that SEC hitched their wagon 100% to ESPN. Those idiots in the B1G don't know how much worse off they are.

I should be getting a refund for them not delivering the services paid for. If I pay $85 for a service that offers ESPN and you suddenly don't give me what you offered, my money should be returned with the option to sign up for continued service at a lower cost.

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The answer is someone to break the ESiPN monopoly on college sports. These 10-yr deals are the back breaker of true competition. If Amazon (and others) could regularly bid on that programming it would help level the playing field. As it is, non-Disney carriers must take-it-or-leave-it.

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Good thing that SEC hitched their wagon 100% to ESPN. Those idiots in the B1G don't know how much worse off they are.

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Just from last week. B1G diversification may be paying well, but Disney owns cfb ratings. And YTTV knows that.

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I should be getting a refund for them not delivering the services paid for. If I pay $85 for a service that offers ESPN and you suddenly don't give me what you offered, my money should be returned with the option to sign up for continued service at a lower cost.

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Check your email...
They're talking about a $20 refund if the loss of services continue. That tells you what Disney is charging them, at least currently for all of the Disney/ESPN/Fx programming.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Seven Costanza said:

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I should be getting a refund for them not delivering the services paid for. If I pay $85 for a service that offers ESPN and you suddenly don't give me what you offered, my money should be returned with the option to sign up for continued service at a lower cost.

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Check your email...
They're talking about a $20 refund if the loss of services continue. That tells you what Disney is charging them, at least currently for all of the Disney/ESPN/Fx programming.

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Yes, I saw that too. But saying "continue" is too open ended to expect anything from them. A few days? A week? A month? What's that defined as?

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Seven Costanza said:

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I should be getting a refund for them not delivering the services paid for. If I pay $85 for a service that offers ESPN and you suddenly don't give me what you offered, my money should be returned with the option to sign up for continued service at a lower cost.

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Check your email...
They're talking about a $20 refund if the loss of services continue. That tells you what Disney is charging them, at least currently for all of the Disney/ESPN/Fx programming.

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Yes, I saw that too. But saying "continue" is too open ended to expect anything from them. A few days? A week? A month? What's that defined as?

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It will be done by Monday. They are simply waiting to see how many people quit tomorrow before they decide how much to capitulate.

This isn't cable. People can quit or sign up in 3 seconds so they will know in real time what the impact of holding out will be.

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For ABC just use an antenna.

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I downloaded the WFAA Channel 8 (Dallas) app on my Roku. Allows me to watch ABC live. Vandy/t.u., Florida/Georgia, and Okie/Tenn are all on ABC tomorrow.

I think most other big city ABC stations have an app that allows you to watch for free also.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Seven Costanza said:

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I should be getting a refund for them not delivering the services paid for. If I pay $85 for a service that offers ESPN and you suddenly don't give me what you offered, my money should be returned with the option to sign up for continued service at a lower cost.

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Check your email...
They're talking about a $20 refund if the loss of services continue. That tells you what Disney is charging them, at least currently for all of the Disney/ESPN/Fx programming.

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I'm aware of the $20 "if it continues for an extended period of time" (whatever that means). I chose to pay the $85 because I want to have the ability to DVR the game and fast forward through the commercials. It is the only reason why I have the service. The service is all of the channels offered in the package, not whatever channels they decide to give me after I've already paid. They are not offering me what I paid for, therefore the service should be cancelled with a prorated refund for the days the service was not offered.

Yeah, that seems like a massive loophole.

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infinity ag said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Once again the consumer gets screwed over one way or another.

Decent timing for us with a bye week, but what is happening and what are our contingencies?

It would be peak Aggie to have the most success we've had since the early 90s and also not be able to watch them on TV…for an entirely different reason.

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As you all know, I love screwing corporations.

I watch all my games on free streaming services online. Yes, all of them, google. I don't watch games on a TV, I watch them on my desktop on my 2nd monitor while I read meltdowns on TexAgs on the other.

Try it. Don't pay these corps anything.

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Always amazed by how many people on here have no problem with stealing.

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You use ChatGPT which is stealing from Wikipedia. Stop using AI then.

Barry Block said:

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TXAG 05 said:

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infinity ag said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Once again the consumer gets screwed over one way or another.

Decent timing for us with a bye week, but what is happening and what are our contingencies?

It would be peak Aggie to have the most success we've had since the early 90s and also not be able to watch them on TV…for an entirely different reason.

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As you all know, I love screwing corporations.

I watch all my games on free streaming services online. Yes, all of them, google. I don't watch games on a TV, I watch them on my desktop on my 2nd monitor while I read meltdowns on TexAgs on the other.

Try it. Don't pay these corps anything.

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Always amazed by how many people on here have no problem with stealing.h

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how am I stealing if I watch a free stream?

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He's just mad the cable Company's been ripping him off for years and he's trying to virtue signal.

Seven Costanza said:

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akaggie05 said:

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For ABC just use an antenna.

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I downloaded the WFAA Channel 8 (Dallas) app on my Roku. Allows me to watch ABC live. Vandy/t.u., Florida/Georgia, and Okie/Tenn are all on ABC tomorrow.

I think most other big city ABC stations have an app that allows you to watch for free also.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I am almost 100% certain that this won't work for anything other than news and weather.

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You're not wrong

And I'm endlessly amused when this happens to every carrier every year, the amount of torches and pitchforks dragged out by people that think not a damn thing of paying for $15 stadium beers and $20+ food items and spend $80 a week at Starbucks. Not defending the networks, esp Disney by any means. But the selective outrage is funny to me

I got so tired of this back when i had youtubetv. Seemed to happen every year. Switched to a hululive bundle years ago, and haven't looked back.

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TXAG 05 said:

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infinity ag said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Once again the consumer gets screwed over one way or another.

Decent timing for us with a bye week, but what is happening and what are our contingencies?

It would be peak Aggie to have the most success we've had since the early 90s and also not be able to watch them on TV…for an entirely different reason.

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As you all know, I love screwing corporations.

I watch all my games on free streaming services online. Yes, all of them, google. I don't watch games on a TV, I watch them on my desktop on my 2nd monitor while I read meltdowns on TexAgs on the other.

Try it. Don't pay these corps anything.

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Always amazed by how many people on here have no problem with stealing.

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You use ChatGPT which is stealing from Wikipedia. Stop using AI then.

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I don't use chatGPT so not sure what you are talking about there

The SEC needs to create its own network and broadcast/stream its own games when the contracts expires. The content is what is valuable.

Yep, Disney owns ABC

The contracts always expire in the middle of football season. The consumer gets screwed.

FTC needs to break vertically integrated Disney into pieces.

infinity ag said:

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Barry Block said:

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TXAG 05 said:

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infinity ag said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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Once again the consumer gets screwed over one way or another.

Decent timing for us with a bye week, but what is happening and what are our contingencies?

It would be peak Aggie to have the most success we've had since the early 90s and also not be able to watch them on TV…for an entirely different reason.

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As you all know, I love screwing corporations.

I watch all my games on free streaming services online. Yes, all of them, google. I don't watch games on a TV, I watch them on my desktop on my 2nd monitor while I read meltdowns on TexAgs on the other.

Try it. Don't pay these corps anything.

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Always amazed by how many people on here have no problem with stealing.h

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how am I stealing if I watch a free stream?

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He's just mad the cable Company's been ripping him off for years and he's trying to virtue signal.

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Taking from thieves is not stealing.

Paused YTTV and signed up for the promotional offer from Disney/Hulu/ESPN. Not missing any football today.

TylerAg98 said:

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Paused YTTV and signed up for the promotional offer from Disney/Hulu/ESPN. Not missing any football today.

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Does this include ABC or do you have to get the Hulu plus live TV for that?

Hank the Grifter said:

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TylerAg98 said:

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Paused YTTV and signed up for the promotional offer from Disney/Hulu/ESPN. Not missing any football today.

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Does this include ABC or do you have to get the Hulu plus live TV for that?

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You don't need Hulu Live. You can get the ESPN sub la carte.

Thanks

Just got my antennae with air tv setup so I get the OTA channels through my streaming device

Cancelled YouTube & picked up espn/fox bundle.... 60% savings along the way


****ing dumb****s @ google

Pichael Thompson said:

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Cancelled YouTube & picked up espn/fox bundle.... 60% savings along the way


****ing dumb****s @ google

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To be fair, Disney should never have been allowed to control the entire television market like they do.

Well, I re-read this thread trying to make as intelligent a decision as possible (which is not easy at this age) . As a stop gap I signed up with FUBO on a 5 day free trial period so I could watch todays games. Not crazy about FUBO format. Perhaps YTTV will resolve this week and be worth keeping. If not, I might need to go to HULU + live. Goodness I don't want to provide more power to mouse. He is not the same mouse that raised me in the 60's.