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maybe kids in high school should be taking school more seriously?

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Sounds like you don't have kids in high school and can't relate directly.

We all agree with your first paragraph. But UIL has a pretty good system that provides a more pragmatic path for more students.

And HPs system would Ellers to be over burdensome to coaches. Eligibility could literally change day to day and possibly after your game starts.

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maybe kids in high school should be taking school more seriously?

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Sounds like you don't have kids in high school and can't relate directly.

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We all played sports in high school, it's not a new process. You pass you play.

Finally seeing a bit of the discussion we've been having here make an appearance in a news article. This one talks about the email from the district trustees and the district's different eligibility standards. Not sure 1) why this isn't represented in the current 24-25 student handbook (which is typically treated as a legally-binding document) or 2) why the article references the 25-26 academic standards.

https://www.peoplenewspapers.com/2025/04/19/hpisd-cannot-regain-state-soccer-title-trustees-say/

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The player was ineligible under HPISD rules that require students to earn a grade of 70 or higher in all but certain advanced placement courses to participate in UIL activities, according to the email. A list of the courses eligible for an exemption to that rule in the 2025-2026 school year can be found on page 7 of the district's Academic Planning Guide.

Highland Park's eligibility rules are stricter than the state's minimum standard. According to the UIL website and HPISD's email, when districts voluntarily adopt stricter standards, those standards determine eligibility.

"Unfortunately, given the UIL rules of eligibility requiring HPISD to apply its own local standard for academic eligibility in this case, there are no grounds by which the UIL's required forfeiture can be appealed or overturned. The UIL has confirmed the futility of any appeal," board president Maryjane Bonfield and vice president Bryce Benson wrote in the email.

They noted that the board met in a special called meeting for three hours on Thursday to study the issue.

The player was allowed to participate due to an oversight by coaches, who are responsible for reviewing the list of ineligible players and missed the name in this case, according to the email. The trustees wrote that, "We remain proud and supportive of our coaching staff for this incredible season."

HP's administration learned after the game that the player was ineligible, and contacted UIL to confirm the rules and the player's ineligibility. Forfeiture is the minimum penalty for participation of an ineligible student. By immediately reporting the infraction, the district avoided more serious consequences, according to the email.

The email states that the player was also ineligible during multiple weeks of the playoff season, but it does not specify whether the student participated in any playoff games. Students who are ineligible under UIL rules are prohibited from traveling with the school group to competitive events, and from assisting at competitions, according to the UIL website.

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UIL officials are probably going to use this as Example #1 for why schools should just stick to their eligibility calendar.

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Finally seeing a bit of the discussion we've been having here make an appearance in a news article. This one talks about the email from the district trustees and the district's different eligibility standards. Not sure 1) why this isn't represented in the current 24-25 student handbook (which is typically treated as a legally-binding document) or 2) why the article references the 25-26 academic standards.

https://www.peoplenewspapers.com/2025/04/19/hpisd-cannot-regain-state-soccer-title-trustees-say/

UIL officials are probably going to use this as Example #1 for why schools should just stick to their eligibility calendar.

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That's an insane policy and would make it almost impossible to coach an athletic team at the high school level. You'd have to couple it with some sort of immediate retesting policy if you wanted to be able to field a squad.

Also, that's not what's outlined in the current HPHS student handbook on athletic eligibility. They keep to normal UIL calendar seems. (Starts on p. 23.)

https://4.files.edl.io/0026/01/23/25/171815-6de6531b-4e57-4efc-9a14-fb44ae44a94c.pdf#page23

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Pg 23 of the Kiltie clearly states "Students must be passing ALL courses in order to participate in any extracurricular activity."

Yeah, I saw that, but if you keep reading they have the UIL eligibility calendar with the normal lead times and waiting periods, etc.

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If a student fails any course with a grade less than 70, he/she will lose eligibility seven calendar days after the END of the grading period. For example: if the grading period ends on Friday at 3:30 p.m., a student with a failing grade will lose eligibility the following Friday at 3:30 p.m. Ineligible students shall not travel with the school organization to a contest, sit with them, or wear uniforms during a contest.

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Yeah, I saw that, but if you keep reading they have the UIL eligibility calendar with the normal lead times and waiting periods, etc.

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If a student fails any course with a grade less than 70, he/she will lose eligibility seven calendar days after the END of the grading period. For example: if the grading period ends on Friday at 3:30 p.m., a student with a failing grade will lose eligibility the following Friday at 3:30 p.m. Ineligible students shall not travel with the school organization to a contest, sit with them, or wear uniforms during a contest.

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I'm certainly in the "this seems needlessly confusing camp."

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I'm definitely in the camp with you.

But the Athletic Director and Superintendent have taken it to mean it's on a daily basis during the middle of the grading period.

Some parents are starting to point out that this wasn't similarly applied to non-athletic UIL competitions this school year, but I haven't seen actual proof yet. I know my niece missed a some school for a UIL competition, then had a test the next day. Rather than requiring her to take the test that day, the teacher gave her an "Incomplete" and a week to study, but that's different than taking the test and failing.

Also, seeing that the Board pursued every option to get it reinstated says something about how they feel about the Superintendent and Athletic Director.

The weirdest part of this to me. It's well known HP controls their enrollment so they play at a lower division and classification. Thus, they do what they can to help out their sports win. The AD did not behave in a manner I would have thought.

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The weirdest part of this to me. It's well known HP controls their enrollment so they play at a lower division and classification. Thus, they do what they can to help out their sports win. The AD did not behave in a manner I would have thought.

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How do they control their enrollment?

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The weirdest part of this to me. It's well known HP controls their enrollment so they play at a lower division and classification. Thus, they do what they can to help out their sports win. The AD did not behave in a manner I would have thought.

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How do they control their enrollment?

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Yeah. That's a weird accusation. Combined, Highland Park and University Park have a population of less than 34k people and shrinking.

It's not a weird accusation, it's the sentiment of ALOT of schools that compete against HP. Somehow, HP always seems to magically end up around 12 students below the 6A classification line when the realignments are configured. No, it's not a science cuz they played in 6A recently. But they weren't as successful athletically in 6A as they are usually in 5A.

It's a conspiracy theory, but that's how it works. You don't need actual facts to create a conspiracy. Just a series of abnormal events..... like when the realignment line appears 12 students above HPs enrollment every 2 years.

FTR, I'm not on either side of this theory, just pointing out the reference that was made.

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It's not a weird accusation, it's the sentiment of ALOT of schools that compete against HP. Somehow, HP always seems to magically end up around 12 students below the 6A classification line when the realignments are configured. No, it's not a science cuz they played in 6A recently. But they weren't as successful athletically in 6A as they are usually in 5A.

It's a conspiracy theory, but that's how it works. You don't need actual facts to create a conspiracy. Just a series of abnormal events..... like when the realignment line appears 12 students above HPs enrollment every 2 years.

FTR, I'm not on either side of this theory, just pointing out the reference that was made.

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I've always found that the only schools who are accused of cheating are usually the schools who are good. In our district, Katy HS is always accused of recruiting and roids and yet it has never been proven.

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It's not a weird accusation, it's the sentiment of ALOT of schools that compete against HP. Somehow, HP always seems to magically end up around 12 students below the 6A classification line when the realignments are configured. No, it's not a science cuz they played in 6A recently. But they weren't as successful athletically in 6A as they are usually in 5A.

It's a conspiracy theory, but that's how it works. You don't need actual facts to create a conspiracy. Just a series of abnormal events..... like when the realignment line appears 12 students above HPs enrollment every 2 years.

FTR, I'm not on either side of this theory, just pointing out the reference that was made.

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I've always found that the only schools who are accused of cheating are usually the schools who are good. In our district, Katy HS is always accused of recruiting and roids and yet it has never been proven.

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There's a disparity to punsighment though. Southlake was caught cheating by paying Quinn Ewers to move from Oklahoma to SLC. But only he got suspended for the season. Duncanville basketball hired a coach with a talented son to play basketball and the whole season was forfeited. Both are considered cheating, for different reasons, but the punishments are way disproportionate.

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I didn't say cheating. I only inferred that they're conveniently just under the UIL enrollment cutoff numbers for 6A every realignment period. I was being facetious by saying 12 students, but it's literally less than 25 students most every time. I could find it with some googling, but so could you. So let's do an experiment....

2014
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2100
HP enrollment reported was 2106

2016
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2150
HP enrollment reported was 2116

2018
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2190
HP enrollment reported was 2180

2020
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2220
HP enrollment reported was 2209

2022
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2225
HP enrollment reported was 2245.5

2024
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2275
HP enrollment reported was 2165

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Of course, you understand that the schools / districts report enrollment, THEN the UIL determines the cutoff, right? Obviously, the UIL just favors HP, which explains the preferential treatment that HP got on this forfeiture... Or, HP just happens to fall right around the 240th - 280th largest school in the state when the UIL tries to make the cutoff at 250.

But let's play your little game. For the 2024 realignment, the following schools were closer to the 6A cutoff than HP, but managed to stay 5A...

Aledo 2267 (8 students below 6A)
Amarillo 2169.5
Amarillo Tascosa 2208
Angleton 2177
Austin Anderson 2167
Azle 2174
Beaumont West Brook 2234
Lake Belton 2270 (5 students below 6A)
Brownsville Rivera 2268 (7 students below 6A)
Burleson Centennial 2193
Carrolton Turner 2223
College Station 2209
A&M Consolidated 2176
Dallas Bryan Adams 2226
Dallas Sunset 2173
Denton Ryan 2167
FW Chisolm Trail 2204
Edinburg Velo 2266 (9 students below 6A)
El Paso Americas 2195
El Paso El Dorado 2217
Fort Worth Paschal 2215
Frisco Reedy 2191
Frisco Wakeland 2169
Georgetown East View 2193
Granbury 2249
Buda Hays 2184
Houston Westbury 2263
San Antonio Wagner 2203
Keller Fossil Ridge 2252
La Joya Palmview 2173
La Porte 2249
Leander 2270 (5 students below 6A)
Leander Glenn 2221
McAllen 2205
McKinney North 2273 (2 students below 6A)
PJSA North 2244
Red Oak 2176
Sequin 2181
Sherman 2251
San Antonio Southwest 2187
Houston Spring Woods 2192
White Settlement Brewer 2189

I've been out of high school for almost 30 years, and HP was our rival then. At that time, the same enrollment rumor was being spread.

There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.

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Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.

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Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

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Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.

Quin Ewers moved to Southlake as a 3rd grader (and from Pleasanton - not Oklahoma). That's not the best example to use when it comes to cheating. You may be referring to the father who put in his lease that he could get out of it if his son wasn't the starting quarterback and then tried to enforce it when his son wasn't the starting QB - but that wasn't anything the coaching staff or school was involved with as it was an overzealous parent.

As far as Duncanville, Peavy wasn't Black's father. The issue there is Black's father still lived in Coppell and his mom started dating Peavy and moved to Duncanville. Since the dad still lived in the original district (Coppell), Black was ruled ineligible but mom sued and received an injunction against the UIL. After Black graduated she dropped the suit as he no longer had eligibility. Obviously, the UIL couldn't let anyone just get an injunction during the season and then say "never mind" once the season was over so they made an example of Duncanville and threw some pretty harsh punishments their way. FYI - the UIL manual does cover the instance where parents are split (or divorced) and one of the parents is still living in the original school. In that instance, the student is eligible for varsity play only in the previous school - not the one where the other parent moved.

What loopholes are they exploiting?

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What loopholes are they exploiting?

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Disclaimer for sensitive HP homers on here, below is not about HP. I already stated I don't know what HP might be doing if anything.

"When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)"

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What loopholes are they exploiting?

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Disclaimer for sensitive HP homers on here, below is not about HP. I already stated I don't know what HP might be doing if anything.

"When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)"

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1. Opening a new school usually means that the school doesn't participate in varsity sports the first year for most team sports and sometimes two years for football. After that, enrollment is based on enrollment verification. Negligible at best.

2. I believe a student can only participate in a UIL team/organization if they are enrolled with that campus and maybe feeder pattern (freshman centers or Plano's Jr/Sr. HS system). They would cause them to be part of the enrollment numbers. Students who are doing what you are saying wouldn't be eligible to participate and therefore shouldn't count.

3. Alternative campuses see #2.

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Disclaimer for sensitive HP homers on here, below is not about HP. I already stated I don't know what HP might be doing if anything.

"When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)"

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1. Opening a new school usually means that the school doesn't participate in varsity sports the first year for most team sports and sometimes two years for football. After that, enrollment is based on enrollment verification. Negligible at best.

2. I believe a student can only participate in a UIL team/organization if they are enrolled with that campus and maybe feeder pattern (freshman centers or Plano's Jr/Sr. HS system). They would cause them to be part of the enrollment numbers. Students who are doing what you are saying wouldn't be eligible to participate and therefore shouldn't count.

3. Alternative campuses see #2.

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1. UIL allows schools to use projected enrollment numbers when new campuses are opened. Districts use this to their advantage to overestimate at the new school and underestimate at another school. This allows for the one school to stay in a lower bracket for at least 2 years longer.

2. Headcount is taken on a specific day. The number of students on that campus are taken. it's up to the school to report the headcount. In some districts kids will attend another school for higher level classes as certain classed may only be offered at one school vs. another. They can count any student on the campus for whatever reason or allocate them to their home campus.

3. Alternative campus students come from district HSs, they don't have sports / UIL activities at those campuses. So, where do you report the headcount at that point? They don't report it for alt schools


1.a - on the flip side, Katy schools have done this for new schools, where they know damn well the new school will be 6a numbers within months, but they game it to keep the school in a lower class. These are the one to two year wonders you see dominating at a class level, only to never be heard from again.

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.

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Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

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Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.

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Ha ha ha ha ha. See?? It's extremely funny to watch people with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw the "data". Did you happen to look at reality?

"all the time" = twice. Hilarious.

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1A.-I've been in KISD for 20+ years and have seen the opening of 7Lakes, Morton Ranch, Tompkins, Paetow, Jordan, and now Freeman. The first three played two years of 5A(or old 4A equivalent) ball, I believe. Paetow played 3 season of 5A, I believe. Jordan played one year of 5A ball. Freeman will play their first varsity season at the 4A level, which is an outlier but there aren't as many homes as they anticipated originally. Every one of those schools opened with freshmen and sophomores.

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I'm in no way accusing HP of manipulation with the following statements.

Attendance numbers only matter on one day every two years. That is usually a date in early October the year of re-alignment. This means that students could be sent to an alternative setting for that month but come back in November and not count against UIL numbers. If you are close to the cutoff, you may also "encourage" some families who may be vacationing at that time to unenroll their students for the one- to two-week time period (in October) where they would be absent then re-enroll them upon return. It's almost like a weigh-in for boxing or wrestling where your weight at one specific time is all that matters. For schools, their enrollment on one day every two years is all that matters. Enrollment numbers can't be drastically changed but things can be done to make small changes to the enrollment if you are trying to stay just under the bar.

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Highland Park reports attendance based on each grading period, and then publishes that (I've previously linked it). There's a very consistent record with very normal fluctuations. If a child was enrolled on the last day of the grading period) (whether or not they were "sick" or "traveling" or whatever) they they were counted toward enrollment. It's not "who showed up for school that day" or any other paranoid delusions. Highland Park does not have any alternative schools. It is a single high school district.

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)

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It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

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Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.

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Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

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Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.

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Ha ha ha ha ha. See?? It's extremely funny to watch people with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw the "data". Did you happen to look at reality?

"all the time" = twice. Hilarious.

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You continue to ignore what I know factually about my area. As I said, I don't give a crap about HP and what they may or may not do. I don't know. What I know about my area isn't a conspiracy.

TurboVelo said:

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jessexy said:

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I didn't say cheating. I only inferred that they're conveniently just under the UIL enrollment cutoff numbers for 6A every realignment period. I was being facetious by saying 12 students, but it's literally less than 25 students most every time. I could find it with some googling, but so could you. So let's do an experiment....

2014
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2100
HP enrollment reported was 2106

2016
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2150
HP enrollment reported was 2116

2018
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2190
HP enrollment reported was 2180

2020
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2220
HP enrollment reported was 2209

2022
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2225
HP enrollment reported was 2245.5

2024
Alignment cutoff 6A was 2275
HP enrollment reported was 2165

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Of course, you understand that the schools / districts report enrollment, THEN the UIL determines the cutoff, right? Obviously, the UIL just favors HP, which explains the preferential treatment that HP got on this forfeiture... Or, HP just happens to fall right around the 240th - 280th largest school in the state when the UIL tries to make the cutoff at 250.

But let's play your little game. For the 2024 realignment, the following schools were closer to the 6A cutoff than HP, but managed to stay 5A...

Aledo 2267 (8 students below 6A)
Amarillo 2169.5
Amarillo Tascosa 2208
Angleton 2177
Austin Anderson 2167
Azle 2174
Beaumont West Brook 2234
Lake Belton 2270 (5 students below 6A)
Brownsville Rivera 2268 (7 students below 6A)
Burleson Centennial 2193
Carrolton Turner 2223
College Station 2209
A&M Consolidated 2176
Dallas Bryan Adams 2226
Dallas Sunset 2173
Denton Ryan 2167
FW Chisolm Trail 2204
Edinburg Velo 2266 (9 students below 6A)
El Paso Americas 2195
El Paso El Dorado 2217
Fort Worth Paschal 2215
Frisco Reedy 2191
Frisco Wakeland 2169
Georgetown East View 2193
Granbury 2249
Buda Hays 2184
Houston Westbury 2263
San Antonio Wagner 2203
Keller Fossil Ridge 2252
La Joya Palmview 2173
La Porte 2249
Leander 2270 (5 students below 6A)
Leander Glenn 2221
McAllen 2205
McKinney North 2273 (2 students below 6A)
PJSA North 2244
Red Oak 2176
Sequin 2181
Sherman 2251
San Antonio Southwest 2187
Houston Spring Woods 2192
White Settlement Brewer 2189

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Again..... I said this is the sentiment of ALOT of schools that compete against HP. I never said this was my feeling or a fact. I just said I understood the sentiment of those parties. That's it. You don't have to prove or disprove whether HP's enrollment numbers are legitimate or not. I don't care at all.

My experience with HP is I swam on the club swim team that used the school natatorium as a practice facility. I knew some HP swimmers who swam in the same lanes as I did. I interacted directly with them. I know no student, teacher, or administrator now. I know a couple of HP parents; one of which has a son that was impacted by the UIL soccer forfeiture in the championship game. Again, I don't care about HP enrollment but I understand the sentiment externally.