Highland Park boys forfeit championship immediately after winning

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

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There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)
It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.
Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.
Ha ha ha ha ha. See?? It's extremely funny to watch people with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw the "data". Did you happen to look at reality?

"all the time" = twice. Hilarious.


You continue to ignore what I know factually about my area. As I said, I don't give a crap about HP and what they may or may not do. I don't know. What I know about my area isn't a conspiracy.
Then I apologize, because I didn't limit your statement to your geographical area. Yes, some districts have the capability to do such things. I think we all realize that Dallas ISD goes through this with their "open enrollment" policy specifically to plant the best football players at SOC, and they openly recruit within the district (and possibly from outside).
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King Koda said:

Quin Ewers moved to Southlake as a 3rd grader (and from Pleasanton - not Oklahoma). That's not the best example to use when it comes to cheating. You may be referring to the father who put in his lease that he could get out of it if his son wasn't the starting quarterback and then tried to enforce it when his son wasn't the starting QB - but that wasn't anything the coaching staff or school was involved with as it was an overzealous parent.

As far as Duncanville, Peavy wasn't Black's father. The issue there is Black's father still lived in Coppell and his mom started dating Peavy and moved to Duncanville. Since the dad still lived in the original district (Coppell), Black was ruled ineligible but mom sued and received an injunction against the UIL. After Black graduated she dropped the suit as he no longer had eligibility. Obviously, the UIL couldn't let anyone just get an injunction during the season and then say "never mind" once the season was over so they made an example of Duncanville and threw some pretty harsh punishments their way. FYI - the UIL manual does cover the instance where parents are split (or divorced) and one of the parents is still living in the original school. In that instance, the student is eligible for varsity play only in the previous school - not the one where the other parent moved.
Poor example on Ewers. ok. no problem.

Duncanville was a bad deal. Duncanville ISD is an open enrollment district, so the player could have played at Duncanville just by enrolling. But having mom working at the school and he couldn't attend was pretty stupid. Now, there were some other issues with the girls basketball team having the open gym and "recruiting" at the same time, so I'm sure that impacted Anthony's situation with the UIL. Self got caught up in that cuz of the assistant coach. Too much drama for HS sports.
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TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)
It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.
Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.
Ha ha ha ha ha. See?? It's extremely funny to watch people with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw the "data". Did you happen to look at reality?

"all the time" = twice. Hilarious.


You continue to ignore what I know factually about my area. As I said, I don't give a crap about HP and what they may or may not do. I don't know. What I know about my area isn't a conspiracy.
Then I apologize, because I didn't limit your statement to your geographical area. Yes, some districts have the capability to do such things. I think we all realize that Dallas ISD goes through this with their "open enrollment" policy specifically to plant the best football players at SOC, and they openly recruit within the district (and possibly from outside).


Yep, that's happing in a lot districts now, open enrollment is now used to build super teams. UIL just lets it go.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

TurboVelo said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

There are gray areas in the UIL rules, and they are exploited across the state by many districts, not to mention the political favors, such as is clearly shown in the HP cut off data. UIL is spinless in reality. I know down in my parts both Boerne ISD and Comal ISD have exploited these loopholes. I don't know what HP might be doing to exploit, but I do for a fact on these other districts. When a district has new schools opening, it's easy to game the enrollment numbers (they allow projected enrollment). Also, with open enrollment, again, another means to game the numbers as well with kids attending one school vs. another for higher level classes. And then, you also have Alternative campuses within a district (kids from multiple high schools go to the central alt school)
It's funny the excuses people make for losing. Highland Park has 1 high school and is landlocked, so there's nothing to do. People are really going to get in a tizzy when HP goes to 5AD2 in a few years. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://4.files.edl.io/63cc/04/04/25/180636-7919cec9-8883-4fe1-a785-78a1236a0e0e.pdf

Nothing that I posted is an excuse for anything so not sure what is funny. I don't give a crap about HP. There is no denying that HP has miraculous ability to stay just below the cut off number. Are you denying this fact? if so, that's funny.
Calling it "miraculous" is very funny, considering It's all public record. They peaked at just over the line, twice in 4 realignments. Somehow, 50% is miraculous to you. Now, HP is 43 schools below the threshold and shrinking.

Keep telling me how you don't care. "Miraculous"

Did you even bother looking at the cut off data above? Are you telling me they are just that lucky all the time? Funny.

Edit - you should prob stop arguing about something you are not well informed. I know exactly how schools manipulate. Like I already said, i don't know what HP might be doing, if anything. However, there is no denying its very lucky. I do know what has occurred down in my parts.
Ha ha ha ha ha. See?? It's extremely funny to watch people with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw the "data". Did you happen to look at reality?

"all the time" = twice. Hilarious.


You continue to ignore what I know factually about my area. As I said, I don't give a crap about HP and what they may or may not do. I don't know. What I know about my area isn't a conspiracy.
Then I apologize, because I didn't limit your statement to your geographical area. Yes, some districts have the capability to do such things. I think we all realize that Dallas ISD goes through this with their "open enrollment" policy specifically to plant the best football players at SOC, and they openly recruit within the district (and possibly from outside).


Yep, that's happing in a lot districts now, open enrollment is now used to build super teams. UIL just lets it go.
I'm not sure how much they could really do. We are a much more mobile and transient society and move a lot more than we used to. It seems back in the day, families only moved if a job required a move to a completely different metropolitan area or state. Now it's no big deal to move from one suburb to the next, changing schools, even if keeping the same jobs. Plus, family dynamics and relationships have changed. Being divorced & remarried, I'll pass no judgement on that one.
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It's easy to recruit within a district, just start at the middle school or freshman level, get them to pick their HS before any varsity participation starts. Parents and coaches recruit, nudge a talented kid to pick the best district team to play for, everyone wants to be on a winner.
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Man.... SOC is something I do know about. HP, not so much. But if you think there's a disconnect between HP admin and HP athletics, you can't imagine the level of incompetency in Dallas ISD. There's no way they said "SOC hasn't had good athletics in 60 years so let's cheat and figure out a way to make them good again" and then started planting good athletes there. Not when they have magnet schools in the district that can legally pull kids from across the district and stack the athletic programs. Skyline and Lincoln are prime examples.

DISD didn't even have a sitting Athletic Director for almost 2 years. SOC is an open enrollment campus, mostly to compete with Duncanville and DeSoto, who had been recruiting kids away from Carter, Kimball, SOC, etc. for years. Coach Todd came from Duncanville HS and worked at Skyline under Coach Samples. Coach Samples used the magnet program, smartly AND legally, at both Lincoln and Skyline to make those programs good.

SOC has several A&M connections, too. Reggie McNeal Jr. graduates next month. He's signed with Coffeyville JC. Kelvion Riggins just signed with A&M this year. He started at SOC before getting recruited by Forney.

None of this really matters, though, considering nobody from HP is transferring to SOC for school or athletics, or vice versa. Either way, this thread is dead now. It's so far off the original OP that we can't get back.
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jessexy said:

Man.... SOC is something I do know about. HP, not so much. But if you think there's a disconnect between HP admin and HP athletics, you can't imagine the level of incompetency in Dallas ISD. There's no way they said "SOC hasn't had good athletics in 60 years so let's cheat and figure out a way to make them good again" and then started planting good athletes there. Not when they have magnet schools in the district that can legally pull kids from across the district and stack the athletic programs. Skyline and Lincoln are prime examples.

DISD didn't even have a sitting Athletic Director for almost 2 years. SOC is an open enrollment campus, mostly to compete with Duncanville and DeSoto, who had been recruiting kids away from Carter, Kimball, SOC, etc. for years. Coach Todd came from Duncanville HS and worked at Skyline under Coach Samples. Coach Samples used the magnet program, smartly AND legally, at both Lincoln and Skyline to make those programs good.

SOC has several A&M connections, too. Reggie McNeal Jr. graduates next month. He's signed with Coffeyville JC. Kelvion Riggins just signed with A&M this year. He started at SOC before getting recruited by Forney.

None of this really matters, though, considering nobody from HP is transferring to SOC for school or athletics, or vice versa. Either way, this thread is dead now. It's so far off the original OP that we can't get back.
My kids graduated from Woodrow (well, youngest is a senior there now), so I have had a front row seat to the lunacy at DISD. I think calling it incompetency would be a compliment. But yeah, that belongs in a new thread in a different group.
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jessexy said:

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Quin Ewers moved to Southlake as a 3rd grader (and from Pleasanton - not Oklahoma). That's not the best example to use when it comes to cheating. You may be referring to the father who put in his lease that he could get out of it if his son wasn't the starting quarterback and then tried to enforce it when his son wasn't the starting QB - but that wasn't anything the coaching staff or school was involved with as it was an overzealous parent.

As far as Duncanville, Peavy wasn't Black's father. The issue there is Black's father still lived in Coppell and his mom started dating Peavy and moved to Duncanville. Since the dad still lived in the original district (Coppell), Black was ruled ineligible but mom sued and received an injunction against the UIL. After Black graduated she dropped the suit as he no longer had eligibility. Obviously, the UIL couldn't let anyone just get an injunction during the season and then say "never mind" once the season was over so they made an example of Duncanville and threw some pretty harsh punishments their way. FYI - the UIL manual does cover the instance where parents are split (or divorced) and one of the parents is still living in the original school. In that instance, the student is eligible for varsity play only in the previous school - not the one where the other parent moved.
Poor example on Ewers. ok. no problem.

Duncanville was a bad deal. Duncanville ISD is an open enrollment district, so the player could have played at Duncanville just by enrolling. But having mom working at the school and he couldn't attend was pretty stupid. Now, there were some other issues with the girls basketball team having the open gym and "recruiting" at the same time, so I'm sure that impacted Anthony's situation with the UIL. Self got caught up in that cuz of the assistant coach. Too much drama for HS sports.
The funny (or sad) aspect of Duncanville is that it is believed Black's dad turned them in. Open enrollment doesn't mitigate the student having to sit out a year for attending a school he/she does not reside in the attendance zone. Black would have been eligible had he sat out a year. This is the same for all other "open enrollment" students. You can go to an open enrollment school, but you are ineligible from varsity competition if it is not your attendance zone. His mother didn't like the UIL ruling (which is very clear per their bylaws) and sued the UIL. She got an injunction and he played (after being ruled ineligible by UIL). After the season was over, she dropped the lawsuit without any ruling and went about her business. The school and coach were punished for playing a player who had been ruled ineligible. I guarantee you there would be quite a few more lawsuits flying around to just get an injunction and make a kid eligible for the season if UIL hadn't come down so hard on Duncanville.

The DISD schools get away with "recruiting" because they make up the entirety (or majority) of the UIL District. If the DEC oks the PAP, it never reaches the UIL. They protect each other because they all do it and they want a DISD school to be successful. The suburban schools turn each other in for similar offenses which makes it much more difficult for them to pull off. Either way, if a student is not zoned for your attendance zone, they are required to sit out of varsity competition for a year. Many times, the kids are "recruited" to attend the school as freshman (or sometimes middle school) and use their freshman year as their year to sit out of varsity competition. It's been happening for years but with AAU/7v7/OT7, coaches/handlers can more easily get in young kids' ears and steer them in certain directions.


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HowdyTexasAggies said:

It's easy to recruit within a district, just start at the middle school or freshman level, get them to pick their HS before any varsity participation starts. Parents and coaches recruit, nudge a talented kid to pick the best district team to play for, everyone wants to be on a winner.


In my experience, it's usually the parents who are accused of doing this.
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Logged into Facebook for the first time in a while and the very first post was from a friend that's both an attorney and a HP soccer parent. This post was referencing the HP/UIL forfeiture of the championship game last month.

So, the post refers to the new UIL Executive Director who took office on April 1st being a Liberty Hill resident and a Liberty Hill HS parent. When HP reported the forfeit, they reported it to him. He was in the stands in Georgetown ISD Stadium since Highland Park was playing against Liberty Hill HS. I'm not sure if the UIL ED has a child on the soccer team or not, or if he was in the stands as a fan. I assume, if he was in the stands, he would be representing himself as a fan because the UIL staff usually sit in the press box upstairs or down in the field house/end zone area.

I'm not getting into accusations (I'm neutral here), but wouldn't it be smart to recuse yourself and hand anything regarding this forfeit over to the UIL AD or the Championships Director?
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jessexy said:

Logged into Facebook for the first time in a while and the very first post was from a friend that's both an attorney and a HP soccer parent. This post was referencing the HP/UIL forfeiture of the championship game last month.

So, the post refers to the new UIL Executive Director who took office on April 1st being a Liberty Hill resident and a Liberty Hill HS parent. When HP reported the forfeit, they reported it to him. He was in the stands in Georgetown ISD Stadium since Highland Park was playing against Liberty Hill HS. I'm not sure if the UIL ED has a child on the soccer team or not, or if he was in the stands as a fan. I assume, if he was in the stands, he would be representing himself as a fan because the UIL staff usually sit in the press box upstairs or down in the field house/end zone area.

I'm not getting into accusations (I'm neutral here), but wouldn't it be smart to recuse yourself and hand anything regarding this forfeit over to the UIL AD or the Championships Director?
I'm responding to the Facebook post and not your post:

The purpose of that Facebook post was to imply that there was some sort of malfeasance taking place. As I understand it, HP said they broke the rules and they forfeited. What should the UIL Executive Director have done differently?

I'd also argue that he can do his job while sitting in the stands.

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Parents are looking at suing the District / Superintendent / AD

Stupid.

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

It's easy to recruit within a district, just start at the middle school or freshman level, get them to pick their HS before any varsity participation starts. Parents and coaches recruit, nudge a talented kid to pick the best district team to play for, everyone wants to be on a winner.


This happened with Connor Weigman. He was supposed to go to Cy Fair HS but went to Bridgeland. They even had some sort of announce party when he was middle school. His parents eventually moved to a home zoned to Bridgeland but I assume with his skill set his parents didn't want him zoned to CF which didn't air it out like Bridgeland.

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jessexy said:

Logged into Facebook for the first time in a while and the very first post was from a friend that's both an attorney and a HP soccer parent. This post was referencing the HP/UIL forfeiture of the championship game last month.

So, the post refers to the new UIL Executive Director who took office on April 1st being a Liberty Hill resident and a Liberty Hill HS parent. When HP reported the forfeit, they reported it to him. He was in the stands in Georgetown ISD Stadium since Highland Park was playing against Liberty Hill HS. I'm not sure if the UIL ED has a child on the soccer team or not, or if he was in the stands as a fan. I assume, if he was in the stands, he would be representing himself as a fan because the UIL staff usually sit in the press box upstairs or down in the field house/end zone area.

I'm not getting into accusations (I'm neutral here), but wouldn't it be smart to recuse yourself and hand anything regarding this forfeit over to the UIL AD or the Championships Director?
Your friends needs to just move on with his life
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tylercsbn9 said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

It's easy to recruit within a district, just start at the middle school or freshman level, get them to pick their HS before any varsity participation starts. Parents and coaches recruit, nudge a talented kid to pick the best district team to play for, everyone wants to be on a winner.


This happened with Connor Weigman. He was supposed to go to Cy Fair HS but went to Bridgeland. They even had some sort of announce party when he was middle school. His parents eventually moved to a home zoned to Bridgeland but I assume with his skill set his parents didn't want him zoned to CF which didn't air it out like Bridgeland.




His sister went back to CF to play volleyball.
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King Koda said:

jessexy said:

King Koda said:

Quin Ewers moved to Southlake as a 3rd grader (and from Pleasanton - not Oklahoma). That's not the best example to use when it comes to cheating. You may be referring to the father who put in his lease that he could get out of it if his son wasn't the starting quarterback and then tried to enforce it when his son wasn't the starting QB - but that wasn't anything the coaching staff or school was involved with as it was an overzealous parent.

As far as Duncanville, Peavy wasn't Black's father. The issue there is Black's father still lived in Coppell and his mom started dating Peavy and moved to Duncanville. Since the dad still lived in the original district (Coppell), Black was ruled ineligible but mom sued and received an injunction against the UIL. After Black graduated she dropped the suit as he no longer had eligibility. Obviously, the UIL couldn't let anyone just get an injunction during the season and then say "never mind" once the season was over so they made an example of Duncanville and threw some pretty harsh punishments their way. FYI - the UIL manual does cover the instance where parents are split (or divorced) and one of the parents is still living in the original school. In that instance, the student is eligible for varsity play only in the previous school - not the one where the other parent moved.
Poor example on Ewers. ok. no problem.

Duncanville was a bad deal. Duncanville ISD is an open enrollment district, so the player could have played at Duncanville just by enrolling. But having mom working at the school and he couldn't attend was pretty stupid. Now, there were some other issues with the girls basketball team having the open gym and "recruiting" at the same time, so I'm sure that impacted Anthony's situation with the UIL. Self got caught up in that cuz of the assistant coach. Too much drama for HS sports.
The funny (or sad) aspect of Duncanville is that it is believed Black's dad turned them in. Open enrollment doesn't mitigate the student having to sit out a year for attending a school he/she does not reside in the attendance zone. Black would have been eligible had he sat out a year. This is the same for all other "open enrollment" students. You can go to an open enrollment school, but you are ineligible from varsity competition if it is not your attendance zone. His mother didn't like the UIL ruling (which is very clear per their bylaws) and sued the UIL. She got an injunction and he played (after being ruled ineligible by UIL). After the season was over, she dropped the lawsuit without any ruling and went about her business. The school and coach were punished for playing a player who had been ruled ineligible. I guarantee you there would be quite a few more lawsuits flying around to just get an injunction and make a kid eligible for the season if UIL hadn't come down so hard on Duncanville.

The DISD schools get away with "recruiting" because they make up the entirety (or majority) of the UIL District. If the DEC oks the PAP, it never reaches the UIL. They protect each other because they all do it and they want a DISD school to be successful. The suburban schools turn each other in for similar offenses which makes it much more difficult for them to pull off. Either way, if a student is not zoned for your attendance zone, they are required to sit out of varsity competition for a year. Many times, the kids are "recruited" to attend the school as freshman (or sometimes middle school) and use their freshman year as their year to sit out of varsity competition. It's been happening for years but with AAU/7v7/OT7, coaches/handlers can more easily get in young kids' ears and steer them in certain directions.





There is a waiver process for moves within an isd just like if you come from outside the ISD. That said it's far from a forgone conclusion.
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jeffk said:

That doesn't make sense to me. The UIL wouldn't care about district standards that are higher than their own. And the UIL certainly wouldn't be reporting it as a vacated title due to playing an ineligible player if that player had met their eligibility standards.
That is exactly how the rule is written. They default to the higher standard.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

PatAg said:

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PatAg said:

maybe kids in high school should be taking school more seriously?
Sounds like you don't have kids in high school and can't relate directly.

We all played sports in high school, it's not a new process. You pass you play.
The HP policy, if true isn't normal. If you start a new grading period, fail the first test or homework, then you would be ineligible immediately by the HP rule based on what I read above. Thats not just hardcore, that's stupid. I have three kids at A&M, they were top 10%, but even with that, there were a couple periods where this happened to my kids, but they had other scores and test to get their grade back up.
The policy is related to the end of grading periods, not at any time.
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TurboVelo said:

jeffk said:

Yeah, I saw that, but if you keep reading they have the UIL eligibility calendar with the normal lead times and waiting periods, etc.

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Losing Eligibility
If a student fails any course with a grade less than 70, he/she will lose eligibility seven calendar days after the END of the grading period. For example: if the grading period ends on Friday at 3:30 p.m., a student with a failing grade will lose eligibility the following Friday at 3:30 p.m. Ineligible students shall not travel with the school organization to a contest, sit with them, or wear uniforms during a contest.


I'm certainly in the "this seems needlessly confusing camp."
I'm definitely in the camp with you.

But the Athletic Director and Superintendent have taken it to mean it's on a daily basis during the middle of the grading period.


Some parents are starting to point out that this wasn't similarly applied to non-athletic UIL competitions this school year, but I haven't seen actual proof yet. I know my niece missed a some school for a UIL competition, then had a test the next day. Rather than requiring her to take the test that day, the teacher gave her an "Incomplete" and a week to study, but that's different than taking the test and failing.

Also, seeing that the Board pursued every option to get it reinstated says something about how they feel about the Superintendent and Athletic Director.
No, they haven't.
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Man, this thread is full of a lot of misinformation.

It is amusing to say the least.
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powerbelly said:

Man, this thread is full of a lot of misinformation.

It is amusing to say the least.
Can you explain why Highland Park forfeited and why they were surprised by it? I think we're all trying to understand but maybe have incomplete information.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

powerbelly said:

Man, this thread is full of a lot of misinformation.

It is amusing to say the least.
Can you explain why Highland Park forfeited and why they were surprised by it? I think we're all trying to understand but maybe have incomplete information.
The UIL has a rule that if a district requires a higher standard than the UIL standard for eligibility, then that is the standard they go by. HP has chosen to have a 70 required in all classes (including AP/Pre-AP) where the UIL rules would have exempted the class due to it being Pre-AP.

This is grades at the end of the grading period, not at any time.

The kid was not eligible and it was missed by the coach. He would have been eligible at a later date (at least that was my understanding last time I asked). I forget the details of why it was missed, but it's been a few weeks since I got the rundown.

Lots of talk about parents wanting AD and Super fired is just talk. Parents in this community are used to getting their way and throw tantrums all the time. I can't count how many times a parent tried to sue to get their way, or threaten the principal/super's jobs, or bring an attorney to a disciplinary meeting. They never got their way.

I can tell you that 99.9% of the people have moved on as boys soccer is almost an afterthought in HP.
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I appreciate it.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Appeal heard
Ap[eal Denied
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jessexy said:

Appeal heard
Ap[eal Denied

How does one appeal self-imposed standards?
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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the lesson? You can't sue everytime something doesnt go your way.
Or I guess you can, but you wont always win.
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King Koda said:

Quin Ewers moved to Southlake as a 3rd grader (and from Pleasanton - not Oklahoma). That's not the best example to use when it comes to cheating. You may be referring to the father who put in his lease that he could get out of it if his son wasn't the starting quarterback and then tried to enforce it when his son wasn't the starting QB - but that wasn't anything the coaching staff or school was involved with as it was an overzealous parent.


I think he's talking about Daxx Garmin, the situation that occurred around 2010. Garmin enrolled in SLC after going to like 30 high schools in the previous years (I jest). In fact, he didn't even live in the zone of the one he left Oklahoma for to go to SLC! That school had to forfeit games from the season Garmin played for them. Garmin's family rented a house in Southlake but never moved from Oklahoma. It was clear he was going to play football and after the season, do whatever.

It was a mess and it was very disappointing that parents were blaming WFAA for shining the light on the scam. I can appreciate arguments that a lot of schools cheat -- indeed they do. But virtually ALL schools know the offenders, at least the ones that do it on a regular basis, and for some reason keep quiet about it. Even when it directly affects them.

A current NBA player played his freshman year at a school coached by a good friend of mine. He moved in with the family of his summer league coach and "transferred" to another school. The idiot principal of my friend's school filled out the PAP (Previous Athletic Participation Form) WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS DAMN COACH and said, "student is NOT transferring for athletic purposes."

Yeah, and I'm not argumentative.

So, in many cases the schools don't want to get involved because either they don't want to get friends in trouble, or more likely, THEY'RE doing all this themselves. The system needs a radical change and UIL needs total disbandment. So in some ways I am totally unsympathetic to those who claim they're getting "hosed." There is a way to fix this and they're ignoring it.
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Bingo. Daxx Garmin is who I was thinking of. Just misremembered the name. All these names some parents think of for their kids and I mistake Daxx for a Quinn. My bad.
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In fairness to KK, you WERE about a decade off (time flies!!) and I don't think SLC was "paying" Garmin or his family to do anything. However, they sure were coy (to say the least; i.e. LYING) with the District Committee, WFAA, and the UIL when it was being investigated.

These damn parents put so much pressure on these school officials to win, the school folks feel they have to cheat or they'll get fired. They need to do the right thing and tell the parents to f-off. Go somewhere else if it bothers you so much. And the Superintendent needs to fully support that.

Although I think HP, in general, is shady as hell and I wouldn't trust a group of HPISD parents if they told me a bake sale had cookies at it, I think in this case, HP simply made a mistake and did the right thing to fix it.
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It feels like the person that turns the cheating school in is always the backup QBs parents. The kid who's been the starting QB for the little Dragons since 2nd grade Pop Warner and is FINALLY gonna get the chance to start on teh HS team. Now they're bringing in a move-in ringer to start over little Johnny, who's earned it and bided his time since 2nd grade.

Them or the former HS team end up being the anonymous sources that leaked the info to the news media.
 
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