Flagg has to be happy coming to the Mavs. Lots of controversy right now, but he's coming to a team with some production left out of Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, and Klay Thompson, kind of insane how this is playing out. Not a luxury a lot of #1 picks get.
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I think there was some speculation that he wanted the keys to his own team immediately, but I absolutely agree with your take. His camp has put out a statement saying something similar, so he's at least saying all the right things so far.
LA Chargers throwing some anti-Nico Easter Eggs into their schedule release video:
The Chargers schedule release video trolled the Mavs even harder than the Cowboys — the “FIRE NICO” Karaoke cam guy is in the Jumbotron…
— Mike Leslie (@MikeLeslieWFAA) May 15, 2025
…and “DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS” in the small monitor 😂 pic.twitter.com/jL1pDQ5rCy
He looks the exact same age! Just pre-Capt. America roid therapy.
Jesus saves
I wouldn't get rid of PJ Washington unless he is going to complain about a somewhat diminished role. He probably won't start if they insist upon pairing AD with Lively, but I would have PJ close games with AD at the 5. Gafford is way more expendable. The Mavs don't need to commit so many resources to the center position.
I would prefer the Mavs go into sell mode, grab assets and punt competing until 2029. Since that won't happen and they are going to go for it, I think a Mavs best lineup includes Flagg / PJ / AD at the 3 / 4 / 5 positions. In theory that is a lot of defensive flexibility and athleticism, with the minimum amount of shooting. Guard play is the biggest question mark. Here you will need shooting with the minimum amount of defense. To be realistic contenders they would need Kyrie to come back and still be Kyrie. I'm not very optimistic, but I don't think he will be bad. So how do the Mavs get another championship level guard in their closing lineup? I don't think it is Klay at this point, but that seems like the best current option.
I would prefer the Mavs go into sell mode, grab assets and punt competing until 2029. Since that won't happen and they are going to go for it, I think a Mavs best lineup includes Flagg / PJ / AD at the 3 / 4 / 5 positions. In theory that is a lot of defensive flexibility and athleticism, with the minimum amount of shooting. Guard play is the biggest question mark. Here you will need shooting with the minimum amount of defense. To be realistic contenders they would need Kyrie to come back and still be Kyrie. I'm not very optimistic, but I don't think he will be bad. So how do the Mavs get another championship level guard in their closing lineup? I don't think it is Klay at this point, but that seems like the best current option.
The only consistent thing in AD's career other than injuries is him *****ing and moaning about playing center, even though he's really ****ing good at it
I'd prefer us to make one good run with this team. If it doesn't or can't happen (likely because of health) within a season or two, sell everything for whatever picks we can get.
The main problem is that the Mavs only control their pick next year and there are 3 tier one prospects up for grabs this time. Unfortunately they just don't control their picks in the immediate future. They could still sell later but it would be unlikely they could grab as premium a potential pick. Obviously they are going to go for it, but there are risks either way.500,000ags said:
I'd prefer us to make one good run with this team. If it doesn't or can't happen (likely because of health) within a season or two, sell everything for whatever picks we can get.
I think you have to make calls on AD right now when you know you can start Flagg and PJ with Naji and Martin coming off the bench. I'm not sure what his value is on the market, but it won't be higher in two years.
Yea we have to trade AD now. We won't, but there will be no value at all in 2 years (bc of his age/health and he won't be under contract for more than a year).
If AD would play the 5, I wouldn't mind keeping him. If he is playing the 4, he doesn't have much value, especially with the Mavs's roster.
If AD would play the 5, I wouldn't mind keeping him. If he is playing the 4, he doesn't have much value, especially with the Mavs's roster.
J.P. 03 said:
LA Chargers throwing some anti-Nico Easter Eggs into their schedule release video:The Chargers schedule release video trolled the Mavs even harder than the Cowboys — the “FIRE NICO” Karaoke cam guy is in the Jumbotron…
— Mike Leslie (@MikeLeslieWFAA) May 15, 2025
…and “DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS” in the small monitor 😂 pic.twitter.com/jL1pDQ5rCy
Looks like I've found something even more useless than a gender reveal party...a schedule release video.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Of course:
The #Knicks have been named the 2024-25 NBATA Athletic Training Staff of the Year.
— Mike Curtis (@MikeACurtis2) May 19, 2025
New York's training staff is led by Casey Smith, VP of Sports Medicine. The team also includes senior athletic trainer Heather Mau.
Smith & Mau are former members of the Mavs' training staff.
and brunson was named the best remaining player in the playoffs according to the NBA Today panel....J.P. 03 said:
Of course:The #Knicks have been named the 2024-25 NBATA Athletic Training Staff of the Year.
— Mike Curtis (@MikeACurtis2) May 19, 2025
New York's training staff is led by Casey Smith, VP of Sports Medicine. The team also includes senior athletic trainer Heather Mau.
Smith & Mau are former members of the Mavs' training staff.
even before the new ownership, the Mavs FO has been a comedy of errors.
Nico needs to be fired already. What a clown. I will never understand how he could go from the moves last year to this year. Ego takes down another high performer.
First, SGA and ANT are both better players than Brunson and it's not particularly close when considering all aspects of their games. Second, literally nobody including the Knicks saw Brunson becoming what he has. Their own FO is on record saying this.
The only other players in the modern era with comparable athletic/height measurables who put up the kind of scoring and efficiency numbers he is right now are AI and Lillard. And Brunson is the least athletic of the three. Nobody ever dreamed he would average close to 30 PPG across multiple years on the number of shots he's putting up, nor should they have. it's close to unprecedented for a player with his skill set. Guys that short with that small a wingspan who arent particularly fast and can't jump particularly high just don't do score with that volume in the modern NBA.
The only other players in the modern era with comparable athletic/height measurables who put up the kind of scoring and efficiency numbers he is right now are AI and Lillard. And Brunson is the least athletic of the three. Nobody ever dreamed he would average close to 30 PPG across multiple years on the number of shots he's putting up, nor should they have. it's close to unprecedented for a player with his skill set. Guys that short with that small a wingspan who arent particularly fast and can't jump particularly high just don't do score with that volume in the modern NBA.
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Except for all of us who watched him carry us to the WCF I guess
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/8 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender. You were the lone voice in the wilderness.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
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I have an entire groupme chain dating back to when he left for NYK with all my DFW buddies saying just that actually. You don't shine when it matters and then fall straight off. The potential for brunson was clear as day from the moment he started getting major minutes. It's why a lot of us posters were clamoring for him becoming more of a focal point in the offense well before the Utah series.Infection_Ag11 said:
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/7 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
But, just go ahead with your typical ***** arrogance Infection. I can only imagine your bedside manner. Stain.
I don't think he wanted to play in Dallas. It happens, he's not the first. His dad is a schmuck, and if he wants to go play with his dad, fine.Infection_Ag11 said:
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/7 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
I don't disagree there -- he clearly wanted to play in NYC. However, had we locked him up at an extreme discount when we had the chance, he'd probably still be here...or would've yielded us some amazing value via trade.South Platte said:I don't think he wanted to play in Dallas. It happens, he's not the first. His dad is a schmuck, and if he wants to go play with his dad, fine.Infection_Ag11 said:
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/7 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
zgolfz85 said:I have an entire groupme chain dating back to when he left for NYK with all my DFW buddies saying just that actually. You don't shine when it matters and then fall straight off. The potential for brunson was clear as day from the moment he started getting major minutes. It's why a lot of us posters were clamoring for him becoming more of a focal point in the offense well before the Utah series.Infection_Ag11 said:
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/7 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
But, just go ahead with your typical ***** arrogance Infection. I can only imagine your bedside manner. Stain.
Yep, you knew more than every NBA decision maker who decided to not give him a contract anywhere close to what that projection would justify. Including the team that spent way more on him than anyone else was wiling to. You even accurately predicted a statline that essentially no player like him has achieved since the Vietnam War.
LOL
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sometimes I swear you're just a bitter troll...who happens to somehow be tied into BMAs and NIL, which is unfortunate...because I can only imagine how clownish you must be as a face of the university. Anyhow...I think you're way overstating this. Did any of us predict him to be in the MVP conversation? No....did a lot of us predict him to be a star player in this league? Yes. 10000% yes.Infection_Ag11 said:zgolfz85 said:I have an entire groupme chain dating back to when he left for NYK with all my DFW buddies saying just that actually. You don't shine when it matters and then fall straight off. The potential for brunson was clear as day from the moment he started getting major minutes. It's why a lot of us posters were clamoring for him becoming more of a focal point in the offense well before the Utah series.Infection_Ag11 said:
Yeah, you TOTALLY thought he was going to average 29/7 with a 22 PER as the leading man on a contender.
And just for the record, the first round against Utah that year was his big blow up series. He was solid against Phoenix and not very good against Golden State.
But, just go ahead with your typical ***** arrogance Infection. I can only imagine your bedside manner. Stain.
Yep, you knew more than every NBA decision maker who decided to not give him a contract anywhere close to what that projection would justify. Including the team that spent way more on him than anyone else was wiling to. You even accurately predicted a statline that essentially no player like him has achieved since the Vietnam War.
LOL
Yea, he has overperformed to what even I thought he would do. But I 100% thought he would be an all-star player and be able to carry a team going forward once he signed with the Knicks. He's that good, and he showed it in the playoffs (especially in the games without Luka). And alot of my friends thought the same thing. I 100% wanted to match or pay more than what the Knicks were offering, but it would not have mattered at that point.
I agree that he wanted to play in NYC, but let's not act like it was impossible to see him breaking out into a star. He was already a star when he played without Luka. He was redundant with Luka, so it would have been hard for him to reach this potential on the Mavs, but he would have been a bargain if we had locked him up early.
I agree that he wanted to play in NYC, but let's not act like it was impossible to see him breaking out into a star. He was already a star when he played without Luka. He was redundant with Luka, so it would have been hard for him to reach this potential on the Mavs, but he would have been a bargain if we had locked him up early.
His career benchmark was universally projected to be an all-star #2 on a good team, or the leading man volume scorer on a bad team.
Nobody, absolutely nobody projected him to be an EFFICIENT 28-30 PPG lead man on a title contender. And it's because that's unheard of for players of his size (and he's really closer to 6' than 6'2") and relative lack of athleticism. Even if we didn't have the words of numerous NBA front office types to support that, the contract he got is proof of it.
Nobody, absolutely nobody projected him to be an EFFICIENT 28-30 PPG lead man on a title contender. And it's because that's unheard of for players of his size (and he's really closer to 6' than 6'2") and relative lack of athleticism. Even if we didn't have the words of numerous NBA front office types to support that, the contract he got is proof of it.
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100%. Dude has short term memory, which seems terrifying for a doctor.mavsfan4ever said:
Yea, he has overperformed to what even I thought he would do. But I 100% thought he would be an all-star player and be able to carry a team going forward once he signed with the Knicks. He's that good, and he showed it in the playoffs (especially in the games without Luka). And alot of my friends thought the same thing. I 100% wanted to match or pay more than what the Knicks were offering, but it would not have mattered at that point.
I agree that he wanted to play in NYC, but let's not act like it was impossible to see him breaking out into a star. He was already a star when he played without Luka. He was redundant with Luka, so it would have been hard for him to reach this potential on the Mavs, but he would have been a bargain if we had locked him up early.
Seeing him becoming the top player on a team (contender or not) was not a massive stretch, even subtracting out the battered mavs syndrome and memories of nash and others.
IA has been and is the only poster I block on TA. Hindsight expert, if there ever was one. You keep talking about athleticism, but nothing at all mentioned on his body frame. He has strength, intelligence, and patience. A league that over corrected to long wingspan and explosiveness (because they are quantifiable) is now getting run by patience and skill. I'll be the first to admit I didn't see Brunson doing all this, but I'll also say he is a unique player with a lot of intangibles and I'd done my best to keep him.
Not sure why you would have ever projected him to be a volume scorer on a bad team. He has never been a chunker who was inefficient and puts up empty numbers. He has been efficient from year one and is a magician with the ball in his hands. Unfortunately Carlisle hates playing young players and took away valuable minutes from him in his early years.
Volume scorers on bad teams don't lead teams to playoff wins and average 28 points in a series (32 in the games without Luka, in which the Mavs went 2-1). He's the opposite of a volume scorer on a bad team and always has been.
I admit he is an outlier given his size. But his size should not have made people predict that he would be inefficient when he finally got his own team and got to control the ball. I can see that prediction out of college, but not after we had 3-4 years to watch him actually play in the NBA. There was no evidence of Brunson being a high volume inefficient scorer based on his play. I guess you (and possibly some front offices) were projecting that based on his size and ignoring his actual play.
Volume scorers on bad teams don't lead teams to playoff wins and average 28 points in a series (32 in the games without Luka, in which the Mavs went 2-1). He's the opposite of a volume scorer on a bad team and always has been.
I admit he is an outlier given his size. But his size should not have made people predict that he would be inefficient when he finally got his own team and got to control the ball. I can see that prediction out of college, but not after we had 3-4 years to watch him actually play in the NBA. There was no evidence of Brunson being a high volume inefficient scorer based on his play. I guess you (and possibly some front offices) were projecting that based on his size and ignoring his actual play.
It's because he always got to play off of Luka. It's pretty common for player's efficiency to go down when they take the reins of their own team after being the second banana to a superstar.
It was never logical to assume a very short and below league average athleticism player could be the primary guy on a winning team. New York built a hell of a team around Brunson that compliments him very well. They have three really good wing players and then a stretch 5 who can really shoot it. Allows Brunson plenty of space in the paint to operate. He is actually having his worst (least good) 3 point shooting year as a Knick, but his 2 point percentage has gone up, likely from their ability to space the floor.
Brunson has turned in to an awesome player and the Knicks are a really good team, but they are going to be the beneficiaries from injuries to the Celtics and Cavs. Tatum got hurt late in game 4, but KP has had this mystery injury/illness and now we know Brown was playing with a torn meniscus. Their early wins in the Celtics had a lot to do with shooting luck.
It was never logical to assume a very short and below league average athleticism player could be the primary guy on a winning team. New York built a hell of a team around Brunson that compliments him very well. They have three really good wing players and then a stretch 5 who can really shoot it. Allows Brunson plenty of space in the paint to operate. He is actually having his worst (least good) 3 point shooting year as a Knick, but his 2 point percentage has gone up, likely from their ability to space the floor.
Brunson has turned in to an awesome player and the Knicks are a really good team, but they are going to be the beneficiaries from injuries to the Celtics and Cavs. Tatum got hurt late in game 4, but KP has had this mystery injury/illness and now we know Brown was playing with a torn meniscus. Their early wins in the Celtics had a lot to do with shooting luck.
But I never saw him as below average athleticism. What he lacked in height and open court speed, he more than made up for with elusive driving moves and being able to body bigger guys. That's a rare thing in hoops at the guard position, but there's a lot of guys that have proved the value in that body type at all levels. Hell, we got destroyed by one last year in the tourney in Jamal Shead. And, then to add his high 3% on top of it and his leadership qualities....it's just not a stretch to see what he could become.shack009 said:
It's because he always got to play off of Luka. It's pretty common for player's efficiency to go down when they take the reins of their own team after being the second banana to a superstar.
It was never logical to assume a very short and below league average athleticism player could be the primary guy on a winning team. New York built a hell of a team around Brunson that compliments him very well. They have three really good wing players and then a stretch 5 who can really shoot it. Allows Brunson plenty of space in the paint to operate. He is actually having his worst (least good) 3 point shooting year as a Knick, but his 2 point percentage has gone up, likely from their ability to space the floor.
Brunson has turned in to an awesome player and the Knicks are a really good team, but they are going to be the beneficiaries from injuries to the Celtics and Cavs. Tatum got hurt late in game 4, but KP has had this mystery injury/illness and now we know Brown was playing with a torn meniscus. Their early wins in the Celtics had a lot to do with shooting luck.
I get that in general, but Brunson always dominated when Luka missed games. He seemed to play better without him bc he could take over and would not have to defer to him. Maybe the numbers don't back that up in the regular season, but it sure seemed like that was the case. And it was certainly true in the playoffs.
So I don't think that theory should have meant much when predicting what he would do when he was the primary ball handler on his own team. He always seemed to do better with the ball in his hands.
I do agree that they've done a very good job of building around him. Their pieces fit nicely.
So I don't think that theory should have meant much when predicting what he would do when he was the primary ball handler on his own team. He always seemed to do better with the ball in his hands.
I do agree that they've done a very good job of building around him. Their pieces fit nicely.
Offensively, sure that's great. But defensively was where you always had to worry. Knicks built the perfect defensive team around him with Hart, OG, Bridges, and KAT/Robinson
You literally have to do the same thing with Luka. Build around him. Same for Steph. Same for every offensive player.
Was just about to post the same thing. It's really hard to think of a truly elite offensive player that you don't have to build around and cover for a little bit on the defensive end.
Well those guys were always better than Brunson and those guys also have size to make up for their lack of elite athleticism. Brunson is very short and unathletic. That's always scary, especially defensively. But they have elite defensive pieces around him and an elite defensive coach.500,000ags said:
You literally have to do the same thing with Luka. Build around him. Same for Steph. Same for every offensive player.
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