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Whatever they make up in being in a legal gaming city they lose in being a city with 1/4 the population and a city with a mixture of transplants and lolpoors at that.

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Not that I think the Mavs are moving to Vegas, but sports teams in Vegas rely heavily on out of town traffic to supplement the locals. The NBA would kill there, just like the NHL.

I'm not sure how well baseball is going to work; there are a lot of Tuesday night games and Wednesday matinees on the schedule that aren't going to attract travelers. And since John Fisher is both a cretin and a cheapskate, the team will probably suck.

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I'm not hating on the Mavs here...

... but I'm the farthest guy from conspiracies - but no way this isn't a conspiracy. This **** was RIGGED.

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How much money could SA bring to the table? Food trucks only generate so much tax revenue.

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All cash business, homie. That 8.25% is extra tip.

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SA is Austin leftovers down river.

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That would be Bastrop.

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Close enough.

#1 pick: Awesome!

But at the same time it's oddly disappointing because I don't like Nico getting thrown a lifeline and getting bailed out of the worst trade in the history of sports.

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Whatever they make up in being in a legal gaming city they lose in being a city with 1/4 the population and a city with a mixture of transplants and lolpoors at that.

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Not that I think the Mavs are moving to Vegas, but sports teams in Vegas rely heavily on out of town traffic to supplement the locals. The NBA would kill there, just like the NHL.

I'm not sure how well baseball is going to work; there are a lot of Tuesday night games and Wednesday matinees on the schedule that aren't going to attract travelers. And since John Fisher is both a cretin and a cheapskate, the team will probably suck.

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It'll work fine when the stadium is outfitted with betting from every seat on every moment of the game.

The number of people that will blow their paycheck on "will the next pitch be a strike?" will be astronomical.

The Fire Nico watch continues

I quit being a fan of the Mavs( and basketball) because of Cuban but I will not be surprised if Nico does not draft Flagg. My opinion is he is racist and does not want a White player to be the face of the franchise.

Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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hph6203 said:

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Whatever they make up in being in a legal gaming city they lose in being a city with 1/4 the population and a city with a mixture of transplants and lolpoors at that.

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Not that I think the Mavs are moving to Vegas, but sports teams in Vegas rely heavily on out of town traffic to supplement the locals. The NBA would kill there, just like the NHL.

I'm not sure how well baseball is going to work; there are a lot of Tuesday night games and Wednesday matinees on the schedule that aren't going to attract travelers. And since John Fisher is both a cretin and a cheapskate, the team will probably suck.

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It'll work fine when the stadium is outfitted with betting from every seat on every moment of the game.

The number of people that will blow their paycheck on "will the next pitch be a strike?" will be astronomical.

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Also you have to think that every hotel, casino, etc. in the whole town will have access to almost every excess ticket in existence. It will probably be incredibly easy to get heavily discounted or free seats from the casinos constantly. May not do much for your gate, but your concessions and ancillary sales will be very strong. Especially if you have the customer access the tickets through your casino/betting site.

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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I don't think the Spurs are going to trade a potential Harper Castle back court for 12-15 years for a small window with Giannis

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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Would those be forced moves? Those are actually pretty fair trades.

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misterguinness said:

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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I don't think the Spurs are going to trade a potential Harper Castle back court for 12-15 years for a small window with Giannis

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But Giannis is in his Nico Prime. Surely Pop gets that value. We're all gonna be dead in 2 years so who cares

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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I don't think the Spurs are going to trade a potential Harper Castle back court for 12-15 years for a small window with Giannis

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Do they move Fox then?

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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Would those be forced moves? Those are actually pretty fair trades.

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Forced in that Silver may "strongly suggest" that the Bucks only look at these offers over what any other team may offer. NBA loves the big 3 approach to rostering.

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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Would those be forced moves? Those are actually pretty fair trades.

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Forced in that Silver may "strongly suggest" that the Bucks only look at these offers over what any other team may offer. NBA loves the big 3 approach to rostering.

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But they also want the stars to be in major markets, not OKC and SA. Though the league office does seem to have an affinity for SA based on past lotteries.

Hoping we make a commitment on Flagg soon. I really don't want to sweat out a possible trade. None of us should have any confidence in Nico and this ownership group now. If they **** this up, their ability to live safely and comfortably in Dallas should 100% be compromised.

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Hoping we make a commitment on Flagg soon. I really don't want to sweat out a possible trade. None of us should have any confidence in Nico and this ownership group now. If they **** this up, their ability to live safely and comfortably in Dallas should 100% be compromised.

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I understand that people are scarred, but I think we can pretty safely look back and say Nico did not think that Luka for AD, Max, and one first round pick was a fair trade. Getting a future 1/1 was always part of the deal, though we maybe got it sooner than expected.

Even if you don't believe the conspiracy stuff, which I would argue is pretty foolish even if you didn't know the history, this is Nico's opportunity to buy back goodwill with the fan base. The most prudent move for Nico Harrison, not just the Mavericks organization, is to take Flagg. The owner also has a say (the final say, if we're being honest) in these things and I'd bet a Dallas casino that Dumont wants the pick to be Flagg, unless there's an offer that's too good to turn down.

I would not waste any energy worrying about a trade until one is actually reported.

The Mavs need to abandon the old guy timeline and shift to the Flagg / Lively timeline.

First question, what can the Mavs get for AD and can they get one of their future picks reclaimed?

AD to CHA for ??? and the Mavs 2027 pick back?
AD to OKC for ??? and the Mavs 2028 pick back?
AD to HOU for ??? and the Mavs 2029 pick back?
AD to SAS for ??? and the Mavs 2030 pick back?

It doesn't seem like CHA would have any use for AD. Maybe if OKC falls short and Chet falls apart they would think about it. HOU and SA are primed to compete, so maybe they think about it (if they can't get Giannis).

Second question, what compensation can you get for PJ, Naji, and Gafford? Ideally you could reclaim one of your other missing picks. Again not sure if CHA/OKC/HOU/SA would have a desire for either player. If not, I would consider other first round compensation in drafts from 2025-2029.

Third question, what do you do with Kyrie and Klay? I expect Kyrie to opt-in but not play until around the trade deadline. Not sure what compensation you could get for him due to injury. Klay also likely doesn't have much value, but I imagine a contender would welcome him as a bench shooter. Either way, I respect both of these guys and would want to put them on whatever contender they desire even if the compensation is low.

What they should do:

Fire Nico. Hire someone competent who will clear the cap space, add 1 good asset from an AD trade, get control back of 2/4 of your future draft picks, tank next year (top 5), and get a few middling future 1sts (PJ/Gafford/Naji) to pump up their draft haul through 2029. That should be enough to rebuild and start competing in 2029 with a 5+ year open window. I'm back in.

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Next forced NBA move is Giannis to the Thunder for Chet and three first rounders or Giannis to the Spurs for Castle, this year's #2 pick and two other first rounders. Something like that is going to happen.

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I don't think the Spurs are going to trade a potential Harper Castle back court for 12-15 years for a small window with Giannis

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Do they move Fox then?

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In a few years. Fox gets an extension this summer. Spurs just do the Kyrie/Luka or Garland/Dono thing with multiple guards that can initiate the offense. When/IF Harper takes the leap, Fox will still be in his 20s on a long term deal, so they move him for assets. Castle is 20 and Harper is 19. That's the future. Fox is the #2 until one of those guys has developed enough to take over the #2, which is probably ~3 years from now. Spurs just use other assets to add shooting and size.

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Hoping we make a commitment on Flagg soon. I really don't want to sweat out a possible trade. None of us should have any confidence in Nico and this ownership group now. If they **** this up, their ability to live safely and comfortably in Dallas should 100% be compromised.

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I understand that people are scarred, but I think we can pretty safely look back and say Nico did not think that Luka for AD, Max, and one first round pick was a fair trade. Getting a future 1/1 was always part of the deal, though we maybe got it sooner than expected.

Even if you don't believe the conspiracy stuff, which I would argue is pretty foolish even if you didn't know the history, this is Nico's opportunity to buy back goodwill with the fan base. The most prudent move for Nico Harrison, not just the Mavericks organization, is to take Flagg. The owner also has a say (the final say, if we're being honest) in these things and I'd bet a Dallas casino that Dumont wants the pick to be Flagg, unless there's an offer that's too good to turn down.

I would not waste any energy worrying about a trade until one is actually reported.

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You're understating the scarring, per usual. I lean towards conspiracy here as well, but it's not proven. The fact is, that Luka trade literally put Nico's life in jeopardy. The dude has a family and kids to protect. There's still a big inkling of doubt that he knew this was coming, even if I'm leaning that way. It sounds insane that a dude's life would be in jeopardy over a sports trade, but that's just the reality in the 21st century with crazies everywhere and mental illness left almost completely unchecked.

If the conspiracy isn't true, or if the conspiracy is the NBA simply throwing us a bone after Nico made a legitimate error of all time in trading Luka and the only conspiracy is them rigging the lottery, then that means the win in 24-36 month window strategy is still in play...and thus a big possibility that we go big game hunting for an aged Giannis or otherwise.

The Mavs were just gifted back an opportunity to claw back most of the lost revenue and bad will from the Luka trade....none of us should have any confidence in Nico, Dumont and co though until proven otherwise. They are absolute ****ing reetards if they don't take Flagg and shore up the short term and long term health of the organization. Conservatively, I think Flagg is ROTY and near double/double potential right off the bat. He's that damn good.

I agree that Flagg is already really good. He still helps the win-now window but he also lengthens the window and gives you more hope for the future. Both can be true.

All the stuff you said in the first paragraph only underscores the idea that Nico has to take Flagg. It doesn't make all the vitriol go away, but it severely dampens it and it reinvigorates the fan base.

I don't think a Giannis trade is on the table for the Mavs. He makes so much money, it would require sending at least 4 key depth pieces to match salary along with the number one pick.

The Flagg pick is also one of the most valuable assets in the league because you are getting a guy who is ready to be a star on a 4 year contract at like $10 million per year. That's insanely valuable.

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I agree that Flagg is already really good. He still helps the win-now window but he also lengthens the window and gives you more hope for the future. Both can be true.

All the stuff you said in the first paragraph only underscores the idea that Nico has to take Flagg. It doesn't make all the vitriol go away, but it severely dampens it and it reinvigorates the fan base.

I don't think a Giannis trade is on the table for the Mavs. He makes so much money, it would require sending at least 4 key depth pieces to match salary along with the number one pick.

The Flagg pick is also one of the most valuable assets in the league because you are getting a guy who is ready to be a star on a 4 year contract at like $10 million per year. That's insanely valuable.

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Yep, he's the only possible bridge piece to shore up win now and win in 10 years. You'd have to be insane to trade that away, especially for anyone over age 28

I think I read that Flagg grew an inch in the past year also. He reclassified in HS, so he's still super young. It's within the realm of possibility that he becomes 6-11 or 7' tall in the next couple years and he's the next Giannis or Anthony Davis. AD was a talented guard until he had a major growth spurt late in HS and became a PF/C who had guard skills.

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The Nico jokes need to stop now. The trade included the #1 pick in this draft, but Nico was the only one allowed to know that until now.

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Cooper Flagg in the best case scenario still isn't Luka. He may very well end up being a 25/10/5 player but he simply can never be the type of singular ball dominant terror Luka is. And his defense is also suspect as well.

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This was a couple of pages ago but felt it was a take that needed to be talked about.

Cooper Flagg is the best defensive prospect in the draft. He's a 6'9 F who can hold his own 1-5 while also being one of the best help defenders (both length-wise and an incredible BBIQ) that the draft has ever seen. Combine that with a very high motor and extreme competitiveness and desire-to-win, and you have a no-doubt defensive star.

Cooper's questions are his handle, not generational athleticism, and MAYBE his jump-shot, but to say his defense is suspect is just wrong.

Nico can never buy back any good will with the fan base, fire him

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The Nico jokes need to stop now. The trade included the #1 pick in this draft, but Nico was the only one allowed to know that until now.

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Cooper Flagg in the best case scenario still isn't Luka. He may very well end up being a 25/10/5 player but he simply can never be the type of singular ball dominant terror Luka is. And his defense is also suspect as well.

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This was a couple of pages ago but felt it was a take that needed to be talked about.

Cooper Flagg is the best defensive prospect in the draft. He's a 6'9 F who can hold his own 1-5 while also being one of the best help defenders (both length-wise and an incredible BBIQ) that the draft has ever seen. Combine that with a very high motor and extreme competitiveness and desire-to-win, and you have a no-doubt defensive star.

Cooper's questions are his handle, not generational athleticism, and MAYBE his jump-shot, but to say his defense is suspect is just wrong.

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There were times when his on-ball defense wasn't as good as people were expecting for his size and athleticism (and the hype, probably), but you are correct that he's an elite help defender.

His handle kept getting better as the season went on. I believe his A/TO got better each month of the season and they let him do a lot of stuff running the offense.

It's crazy that the questions about him are that his athleticism is all-around really good, but not elite, and that he may not be an elite shooter, despite shooting 38.5% from 3 in college. Also a minor worry about his handle., as he was a 6'8" player with long arms who had a 2 to 1 A/TO.

Please for the love of God don't fudge this up.

I just have an unshakable feeling the front office will screw this up.

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I think I read that Flagg grew an inch in the past year also. He reclassified in HS, so he's still super young. It's within the realm of possibility that he becomes 6-11 or 7' tall in the next couple years and he's the next Giannis or Anthony Davis. AD was a talented guard until he had a major growth spurt late in HS and became a PF/C who had guard skills.

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Flagg is 6'7 3/4 with 7' wingspan. He's not making it to 6'11 or 7'.

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I think I read that Flagg grew an inch in the past year also. He reclassified in HS, so he's still super young. It's within the realm of possibility that he becomes 6-11 or 7' tall in the next couple years and he's the next Giannis or Anthony Davis. AD was a talented guard until he had a major growth spurt late in HS and became a PF/C who had guard skills.

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Flagg is 6'7 3/4 with 7' wingspan. He's not making it to 6'11 or 7'.

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Yeah, that's probably ambitious, but he's still 18. He could still grow another inch and we are talking about him being 6'10" when he's on the court.

So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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Davis is under contract through 2028 (player option for 27-28 which he will surely opt in to). Klay has 2 more years left. Kyrie has a player option for this upcoming season. I would imagine Kyrie opts out and signs another 3-year (2+1) deal to run concurrent with AD's deal.

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So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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Davis is under contract through 2028 (player option for 27-28 which he will surely opt in to). Klay has 2 more years left. Kyrie has a player option for this upcoming season. I would imagine Kyrie opts out and signs another 3-year (2+1) deal to run concurrent with AD's deal.

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Interesting. Thanks

I'm curious if Dallas tries to hold on to this group amd if so, how long. If it were me, I'd be looking to build around Flagg and probably dump all or most of those old heads.

Devin Booker?

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So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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Davis is under contract through 2028 (player option for 27-28 which he will surely opt in to). Klay has 2 more years left. Kyrie has a player option for this upcoming season. I would imagine Kyrie opts out and signs another 3-year (2+1) deal to run concurrent with AD's deal.

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Interesting. Thanks

I'm curious if Dallas tries to hold on to this group amd if so, how long. If it were me, I'd be looking to build around Flagg and probably dump all or most of those old heads.

Devin Booker?

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devin booker is a *****

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So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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Davis is under contract through 2028 (player option for 27-28 which he will surely opt in to). Klay has 2 more years left. Kyrie has a player option for this upcoming season. I would imagine Kyrie opts out and signs another 3-year (2+1) deal to run concurrent with AD's deal.

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Interesting. Thanks

I'm curious if Dallas tries to hold on to this group amd if so, how long. If it were me, I'd be looking to build around Flagg and probably dump all or most of those old heads.

Devin Booker?

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Yea i feel like they were gifted an incredible chance to redo this team. PJ is now an obvious trade candidate and I'd honestly be shopping AD to a team like Houston who have assets to spend with a desire to compete.

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So assuming it's Flagg. Dallas gets one season of, Flagg, Irving, Davis, and Thompson, right?

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Davis is under contract through 2028 (player option for 27-28 which he will surely opt in to). Klay has 2 more years left. Kyrie has a player option for this upcoming season. I would imagine Kyrie opts out and signs another 3-year (2+1) deal to run concurrent with AD's deal.

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Interesting. Thanks

I'm curious if Dallas tries to hold on to this group amd if so, how long. If it were me, I'd be looking to build around Flagg and probably dump all or most of those old heads.

Devin Booker?

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Yea i feel like they were gifted an incredible chance to redo this team. PJ is now an obvious trade candidate and I'd honestly be shopping AD to a team like Houston who have assets to spend with a desire to compete.

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Why blow it up now? With Flagg, we'd be a short term contender too once Kyrie is back

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