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3:28p, 7/1/25
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whining about shooting and wanting to get rid of Keldon, is this Groundhog day?

We just had a team win the title with horrendous shooting. The did it with energy, physicality, defense, and rim attacks. If this squad gets coached up on defense, see Sean Sweeney, then it could be a very scary squad. I see a team with multiple ball handlers who attack the rim relentlessly. Keldon is still a relatively cheap high energy bench player. I'd take him over John Collins any day.

I also think a few of our guys will keep getting better from the 3pt line. Castle and Harper in particular.
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3:34p, 7/1/25
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In a little preview of next summer, a guy to watch for our pick is Koa Peat. His brother was a pro bowler for the Saints and had a long career. His dad played in the NFL for 9 years, too.

He signed with Arizona. Really strong PF. I'm assuming the Hawks don't get us a top 5 pick, but Peat might be there later.

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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:34p, 7/1/25
You know how we could have had 14 players, a 3rd strong center and saved the BAE? ... drafting Raynaud at 38

Instead, we're now sifting through some leftovers.
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In reply to AggieEP • 3:39p, 7/1/25
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AggieEP said:
You know how we could have had 14 players, a 3rd strong center and saved the BAE? ... drafting Raynaud at 38

Instead, we're now sifting through some leftovers.
You said 3rd strong center then you named some French guy.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:53p, 7/1/25
Dang autocorrect

If Google would have known I was talking about a Frenchman it wouldn't have defaulted to strong over string.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 4:09p, 7/1/25
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whining about shooting and wanting to get rid of Keldon, is this Groundhog day?

We just had a team win the title with horrendous shooting. The did it with energy, physicality, defense, and rim attacks. If this squad gets coached up on defense, see Sean Sweeney, then it could be a very scary squad. I see a team with multiple ball handlers who attack the rim relentlessly. Keldon is still a relatively cheap high energy bench player. I'd take him over John Collins any day.

I also think a few of our guys will keep getting better from the 3pt line. Castle and Harper in particular.
I mean I just disagree with everything here.

OKC may not have shot the ball well in the finals but they were still 6th overall in 3pt % this year with the rest of the Final 4 being Indiana (9th), New York (8th), and Minnesota (4th). Comparatively, the Spurs were 20th this season. It's not the end all be all for winning but it is definitely a major weakness of this team.

As far as Keldon goes it is just an awkward fit with the way the roster is constructed and:

KJ - 48.2% FG, 31.8% 3PT, 77.3% FT
JC - 52.7% FG, 39.9% 3PT, 84.8% FT

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In reply to Sher Thing • 5:08p, 7/1/25
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Yea. Keldon's value is even lower now for us because we have 3 players who are miles better at rim pressure. He doesn't add much to the squad anymore. Unless he turns the 3 point shooting around.
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5:31p, 7/1/25
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I think I said it a year or two ago, but Keldon is a 9th or 10th guy on a good team. He can be useful as a change of pace balls to the wall guy in certain situations and he is a great and loved teammate. But that is really it.

Unless we get lucky like we did with Collins, we are more than likely stuck on his contract for at least this year.

Then next year, his contract becomes an ending contract where we can take back up to 25M in salary.

I don't hate having him on the team, but it isn't like he is dead weight like Dame was or Jerami Grant or Ayton. Man, Portland kind of sucks.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 5:49p, 7/1/25
Agreed, OKCs defense is the headliner, but they had a deep rotation of guys who could all shoot from deep (except for Hartenstein)

The 2 main reasons you want 3pt shooters on your team are huge game changing reasons.

1- 3 is worth more than 2, and shooting 40% from 3 requires you to shoot 60% from 2 to end up with the same amount of points. The math here is simple and it's the reason why we've seen teams like Boston fully embrace shooting like 60 3s a game.

2- Maybe more of like 1a than 2, but you create more room for your stars to operate and it gives you a way to punish them for doubling or hedging. Wemby hasn't got anything easy in 2 years. You surround him with shooters and other dangerous scorers and now you've put teams in a huge bind. Let Wemby cook you over and over for 2 at a time or leave shooters likely to make you pay a heavier price.

We never saw this paradigm play out in the past because there was like one big in the league that could shoot 3s (looking at you Sam Perkins) But now you can't survive in the NBA without shooting. There are no more Dale Davis and Antonio Davis and Charles Oakley type power forwards in the league. If you want to be a 3 or a 4, you've got to shoot the 3.

Guys like Keldon sitting at 31% are borderline unplayable unless they bring something else elite to the table.

If we roll with

Fox
Castle
Vassell
Barnes
Wemby

Then bench of

Harper
Sochan
Kornet

And say those are our guys to build around for the next 3 years, then the remaining 7 spots on the roster in my dream world have to be shooters.
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6:03p, 7/1/25
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Love to hear this from the rook. Also love how much non-Spurs fans are excited by Bryant's future in San Antonio.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 6:03p, 7/1/25
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Sher Thing said:
Ag Natural said:
whining about shooting and wanting to get rid of Keldon, is this Groundhog day?

We just had a team win the title with horrendous shooting. The did it with energy, physicality, defense, and rim attacks. If this squad gets coached up on defense, see Sean Sweeney, then it could be a very scary squad. I see a team with multiple ball handlers who attack the rim relentlessly. Keldon is still a relatively cheap high energy bench player. I'd take him over John Collins any day.

I also think a few of our guys will keep getting better from the 3pt line. Castle and Harper in particular.
I mean I just disagree with everything here.

OKC may not have shot the ball well in the finals but they were still 6th overall in 3pt % this year with the rest of the Final 4 being Indiana (9th), New York (8th), and Minnesota (4th). Comparatively, the Spurs were 20th this season. It's not the end all be all for winning but it is definitely a major weakness of this team.

As far as Keldon goes it is just an awkward fit with the way the roster is constructed and:

KJ - 48.2% FG, 31.8% 3PT, 77.3% FT
JC - 52.7% FG, 39.9% 3PT, 84.8% FT

The thing about Collins is he didn't opt out of a 1y26M deal because he knows he can't get better than that, even though he is going to lose playing time this year to Ace Bailey. His value should theoretically be better now than any other time in his career. But there is no itnerest.

The Jazz have been trying to trade him for years. The Hawks traded Collins for a retiring Rudy Gay and a 2nd round pick that won't convey.

Maybe the fact that no one wants him and that his agent has told him not to opt out of the 26M contract is evidence that he isn't that good and doesn't contribute to winning. He had nice shooting numbers on a 17-win tanking Utah team that was awful at everything. When he had big numbers in Atlanta - it was their 20-win season.

A year ago, Zach Lowe said that Utah would have to attach a 1st to move Collins. Closer to the end of the season this year, they may be able to move him for the same reason we may be able to move Keldon next year - ending contract.

Collins has better stats than Barnes. He's 6 years younger, would fix rebounding issues. I still wouldn't trade Collins for Barnes.

I just can't understand the fixation on him. Is it just looking at box scores?
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6:14p, 7/1/25
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Collins is and always has been an empty stats guy. Like soup just mentioned, he puts up good numbers on bad teams. He's also not a very good defender; not quick enough to guard on the perimeter and not big enough to be a rim protector. I also really don't want him taking shots away from Wemby, Fox, Castle, or Harper.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:14p, 7/1/25
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Well I can't speak to other Spurs fans but I am certainly not fixated on him at all. In fact, I am a little skeptical of him for the reasons you mentioned. Just because I name a guy doesn't mean I am in love with them.

I am just trying to think of realistic candidates that can be acquired. It is obvious that the Spurs want to maintain cap flexibility and not make any moves that jeopardize that. So how can we upgrade the roster and still do that? There's not many scenarios tbh. However, if Utah is desperate enough to unload Collins for a combination of Keldon and 2 round picks then it's a no brainer to me. It's a low commitment move and the Spurs really don't lose anything. In fact, you could easily flip Collins again at the deadline as an expiring if it isn't working out. Or it does work out and he helps this team tremendously by continuing to shoot 40% from 3 and 85% from the line.
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6:40p, 7/1/25
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The guy I would love to acquire is PJ Washington. Dallas now has

F/C: Anthony Davis
F: Cooper Flagg
F: PJ Washington
F: Naji Marshall
F: Caleb Martin
PF: OMax (probably dead weight)

PJ is in a contract year and unlike Gafford, hasn't gotten that extension yet. He can't want to be the backup to AD and Flagg when he is playing for a payday. And even trading him out, they have Naji and Marshall each making under 10M. I would match salary with junk and send them our 27 Hawks first and some seconds. That is similar to what they paid for him.

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An easier deal would be with Miami. Their forwards:

Jacquez
Jovic
SloMo
Wiggins
Highsmith

Give them Wesley or Branham and a second for SloMo. Cuts like 4-5M off their cap. SloMo has an unguaranteed 9M deal for next year. You do have the added difficulty that he isn't going to spread the offense, but you can trust him to make the right play on both ends of the court.



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I don't know what Indiana feels about Jarace Walker, but I am still a fan. He would be easy to get financially. They didn't play him at all in their playoff runs the last two years.

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Deni Advija has been a guy I've loved for a couple years. But Portland spent 2 firsts, 2 seconds and Brogdon on him. Tomari Camara, obviously, too.

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Just aren't a ton of PFs that I see as a really great fit to backup Barnes right now.
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6:51p, 7/1/25
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I think the biggest thing we as Spurs fans need is to be patient and bet on our own guys. We've got a lot of young, promising pieces that are all still making improvements and jumps in their game. I think as long as everyone stays healthy, this team will make the playoffs.

-Wemby would have been All-NBA and DPOY had he stayed healthy last season. I still think he hasn't even scratched the surface of how good he can be.

-I'm super excited for a full season of Fox running the point. He's never played with someone as good as Wemby, plus he's got multiple other guys around him that can really pressure the rim. I think his shooting numbers will go up because he'll have a lot of catch and shoot opportunities (and a healthy shooting hand).

-Castle's ability to get into the paint and draw fouls was really impressive as a rookie and should be even better in year 2. If he can make a jump as a shooter, then he elevated this team to a whole other level.

-Vassell and Sochan both need to improve to cement their long term future on this team. Vassell closed the year really strong and I think a lot of that had to do with not having an offseason last year. He needs to get more comfortable off the ball, but I think he can and will still be able to pick his spots to attack with the ball. Sochan has to be a better shooter. We've all seen the videos of his jumper looking smoother this, now we need it to translate.

-Harper is coming into about as good of a situation as a rookie guard can. He doesn't have to be the man and run the show, but should still get plenty of time with the ball in his hands to learn and grow. I think he'll spend most of this season as our first guy off the bench and I'm very excited to watch him run pick and rolls with Wemby and Kornet.

-Carter Bryant is kind of the swing guy to me. If he's ready to play meaningful minutes as a rookie, then he helps fill any holes we didn't really address in free agency. He's got the athleticism and size to guard 1-4, and the shooting stroke looks legit. If he can do those things right away, he's the answer to our constant "we need size and shooting on the wings". If he's not, then we're not hurt and he can spend some time in Austin where he can also get more on ball reps to develop that part of his game.

If a trade for someone that can massively help the team comes along, then we can make it. But we're not under the gun to have to make moves. Believe in what we've got.
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7:28p, 7/1/25
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PJ Washington would be a great fit.

Jarace Walker would be nice also if it can save Indiana some $ maybe they will do it.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 7:48p, 7/1/25
Hopefully Jim's and HEB can get Kornet in some commercials soon.
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In reply to AggieEP • 7:54p, 7/1/25
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Kornet as Charlie Murphy with Dylan Harper as Prince.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 7:58p, 7/1/25


For the viewing pleasure of all
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 8:52p, 7/1/25
Hard to imagine making 40 million in your career and still being broke. Kind of reminiscent of what we used to see in the early 90s when the money first exploded and these guys didn't know that the first call had to be to a legit financial advisor... not cousin Stevie from the hood.
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In reply to AggieEP • 8:57p, 7/1/25
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NBA makes all those guys take finance for idiot athletes and drug classes. Michael Beasley (I dont think any relation) skipped the drug class to get high.

But these guys have agents that should be taking care of all that for them, especially when the agent knows they are dumber than a bag of hammers like Malik Beasley.
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In reply to AggieEP • 11:18p, 7/1/25
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Watched a lot of these for the first time just now, thank you.
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8:09a, 7/2/25
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Fox and Harper running the PnR with Kornet, who is one of the best screeners and roll men is gonna be so good
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12:12p, 7/2/25
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Knicks hiring 2x COY Mike Brown
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Knicks hiring 2x COY Mike Brown
Good thing they got rid of Thibzzz, what a massive upgrade!
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 1:19p, 7/2/25
Not sure what the Knicks are up to here. Thibs runs his guys into the ground, so I get looking for a coach that might use the bench a bit more and keep guys fresh for the playoffs. But Mike Brown is an NBA retread at this point, and you kind of know what you're going to get out of him.

This feels like those last like 5 coaching stops for Larry Brown where he kept getting hired and fired after like 2 years when people would remember the game had passed him by.
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2:32p, 7/2/25
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Mike Brown? I guess Doc hasn't worn out his welcome yet.
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2:40p, 7/2/25
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Milwaukee cant afford to buy Doc out too
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2:48p, 7/2/25
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If Pop had returned to coaching, the wins would have remained his.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 2:58p, 7/2/25
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Guitarsoup said:


If Pop had returned to coaching, the wins would have remained his.
Spoelstra is the obvious guy to eventually overtake Pop. I'm too lazy to look it up but I bet he's well on the way.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:04p, 7/2/25
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Ag Natural said:
Guitarsoup said:


If Pop had returned to coaching, the wins would have remained his.
Spoelstra is the obvious guy to eventually overtake Pop. I'm too lazy to look it up but I bet he's well on the way.
He needs another 600 or so wins. He's young enough to get there, but it's gonna take awhile.
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If Spo keeps up his average number of wins per season, he can pass Pop for most wins in the 2039 season. Spo would be 68 and. I'm his 31st consecutive season.
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