***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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Enzo The Baker said:

If we don't sign jones Garcia after tonight someone else will.


Maybe…but this guy isn't going to be a high usage guy in the league.
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jteagle said:

Bryant with 3 blocks on one possession.


His activity on defense on the perimeter is going to be a refreshing change from years past.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Herb jones is getting a 3-year $68 million extension. I feel like that puts Jeremy somewhere at $18-$20 million/year. I kind of see him going to RFA.
Herb's contract is 12% of the cap when it kicks in. I think it is another data point that Sochan is worth about 8% of the cap.

Herb has been All-Defense 1st team, 5th in DPOY and is a career 37% shooter from three. Very clear he is a significantly more valuable player than Sochan.
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AggieEP said:

The roster is clearly upgraded in the past two years, I'm not a potbanger at all, super excited about the upcoming season.

It's just that I can be pumped about the direction of the team while also wondering why we didn't at least take a stab at finding another contributor at 8 last year or 38 this year. You can say "whose playing time are they going to take" and that probably sounded good in your head, but if you hit the jackpot, and 38 turns into an all star, who the eff cares who loses playing time, you just drafted an all star. You make room for dudes that can play.

Sure, but you have to go back to 2021 to get an All-Star drafted outside the top 20 (Maxey at 21). In the past 10 drafts (2015-2024), there have been exactly 1 all-star in the second round- Jalen Brunson.

In fact, in the last 10 drafts, there have only been four AS taken after 20. Maxey, Brunson, Siakam, DeJounte. That's almost 400 players drafted 21-60 with four All Stars.

The hit rate is extraordinarily low. Over the last 10 years, 1% of players drafted after 20 become AS. 0.5% become All-NBA.



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Outside of Wemby, no one has proven that they are 100% part of some future Spurs dynasty, we hope some guys start making the jump soon, but I can't take someone serious who wouldn't jump in a second at the opportunity to upgrade over Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Sochan and Keldon Johnson. Now was a player like that out there at 38... probably not, the odds tell us that it's extremely unlikely that anyone in the 2nd round is going to be a star in this league, but as I said, the Spurs used to have a reputation for being the team that did maximize the value of their late 1sts and 2nd round picks, so it's a bit jarring for us to not even have any interest in taking a stab at it considering the fact that the dynasty was built on the back of good scouting and shrewd drafting.
I think it is more of a thing where the Spurs had an advantage 20-30 years ago and that advantage is gone. And we took a lot of swings because of that too (Nando, Mahinmi, etc)



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This whole conversation is the dumbest thing on this Spurs thread, we don't have to worship PATFO and praise everything the FO does to be Spurs fans. I see no issue with Spurs fans discussing a variety of opinions on personnel moves and exploring a variety of what if scenarios.
I think we all like to explore various scenarios. But whole sale dismissing the success the front office had had is also ignorant.


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Personally, I think this team would look much better with Buzelis as the backup 4 right now, but we'll never know.
I think what he showed in the second half would be super interesting... but we used the pick to trade for Fox, who I think will contribute to winning long before Matas will.


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Personally I wish we'd drafted Raynaud and seen if his 20 and 10 game as a stretch 5 translated at all to the league. But we didn't, and now we can watch those guys play elsewhere and time will tell if the FO made the right decisions or not on pushing out those assets until later. When the Minny swap in 2031 ends up at 2 overall, I'll eat crow, but you all are going to have to remember that for 6 more years to hold me accountable.
Bookmarked. I would have taken Raynaud in the 2nd round. But I am also completely ok with not doing it. I get them wanting to focus on 2 rookies instead of 3.

I'm also really good with using 2nd rounders to pull in guys like Olynyk, because we know he will contribute positively to our team needs immediately. Certainly a lot more than the 60th pick next year or Branham/Blake would. Seems like a smart move to me.
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2008and1 said:

Re read your post. I'll say reality is it takes a lot of luck for most teams not named the Lakers to find success. The spurs are in a good spot now, but had we not landed the top pick in the wemby draft we would still be looking at more seasons of misery on the level of the Hornets or Wizards.
1000% correct. OKC kicked it off by getting LAC to pay them directly for two superstars then getting Houston to overpay dumping Chris Paul thinking Paul's career was over and his salary was dead weight.

Then OKC got lucky moving up to 2 for Chet. They took a swing on a unknown small school guy and got lucky to hit there, too.


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Houston got lucky getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 3rd. They hit the lottery in 4 straight drafts.


Spurs absolutely got lucky getting Wemby, Harper, and Castle. Thanks Rockets for taking Sheppard. But every team that wins gets lucky with major players. Except the Lakers.
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He is a menace.

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Here is my thoughts on Raynaud.
First of all, it wasn't just the Spurs. Pretty much every team passed. Seems like a pretty big red flag to me.

Second, Raynaud does nothing to move the needle this year. Kornet and Olynyk gives us solid big men with playoff and championship experience. They will be much more valuable in the playoffs. Raynaud would not see the court in the playoffs. I think trading the 2nd round shows that the Spurs are focusing on winning now.

I think the Spurs are a top 5 team in the west with their current roster and have a chance to win a playoff series or two.
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Not saying anyone should br worshipping PATFO, just trying to get someone to tell me how these 2nd rounders are going to find playing time.

Branham and Wesley were barely getting playing time (outside of injuries) and the roster they were on was a lot worse. Keep talking about hitting a jackpot in the 2nd round, sure...ok. These hidden gems only get discovered on pisspoor teams where they get the run to show off because 3/4 of their first season or two is garbage time.
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superunknown said:

Not saying anyone should br worshipping PATFO, just trying to get someone to tell me how these 2nd rounders are going to find playing time.

Branham and Wesley were barely getting playing time (outside of injuries) and the roster they were on was a lot worse. Keep talking about hitting a jackpot in the 2nd round, sure...ok. These hidden gems only get discovered on pisspoor teams where they get the run to show off because 3/4 of their first season or two is garbage time.


One of the phenomena of Fandom is we value the possibility of the pick over the reality of an actual player.

I personally think its dumb to ever bring in more than 2 rookies so I was good with the moves the last two years. The Spurs clearly had their targets and stuck to them. We can have a different opinion on players but those guys get paid to scout.
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I love this kid
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How are you going to steal Luka and still screw up the situation
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Bron and Rich Paul have done everything in their power to keep the headlines about them this offseason. They had the chance to control all of this by opting out of the contract, but instead opted in and have been *****ing every day since. There is no way they genuinely think mortgaging the Lakers future to keep a 40+ yo player happy is best for the franchise
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Guitarsoup said:



How are you going to steal Luka and still screw up the situation
Because at the end of the day, LeBron's a little ***** who pouts and leaves everywhere he's been if he doesn't get his way.

That's fine when you're the brightest star in the room, but it seems clear LA is starting to look at post-LeBron life with Luka as the center of their franchise (as they should).

Everyone's been kissing Bron's tail ever since he came in the league, dude's a child still.

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Ag Natural said:

superunknown said:

Not saying anyone should br worshipping PATFO, just trying to get someone to tell me how these 2nd rounders are going to find playing time.

Branham and Wesley were barely getting playing time (outside of injuries) and the roster they were on was a lot worse. Keep talking about hitting a jackpot in the 2nd round, sure...ok. These hidden gems only get discovered on pisspoor teams where they get the run to show off because 3/4 of their first season or two is garbage time.


One of the phenomena of Fandom is we value the possibility of the pick over the reality of an actual player.

I personally think its dumb to ever bring in more than 2 rookies so I was good with the moves the last two years. The Spurs clearly had their targets and stuck to them. We can have a different opinion on players but those guys get paid to scout.


This!
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I think this kid is going to quickly become a fan favorite.
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how was chet holmgren able to sign an extension as he just finished his second year? he was a rookie with Wemby and finished second in ROY

does that mean Wemby can sign an extension this summer?
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Thy agreed to it but it doesn't kick in until after next season ends.
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He missed his actual rookie season with a foot injury. He's a year older
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If you needed any further proof that the Summer League is not the NBA, here it is.
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jteagle said:

If you needed any further proof that the Summer League is not the NBA, here it is.



If Bassey could stay healthy, he's be a solid 3rd string center for somebody.
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AA said:

He missed his actual rookie season with a foot injury. He's a year older


so he wasnt a rookie and should never have receieved a vote then - he was paid and now gets to take advantage of the Rookie extension -
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Guys, Carter Bryant is going to be sooo good defensively.
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Him and Flagg are gonna be a fun matchup for a long time.
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Haven't found a clip of it yet, but Bryant had a sequence where he defended the drive, then swatted away the lob attempt. He's all over the place defensively.
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West Texan said:



Him and Flagg are gonna be a fun matchup for a long time.


This is all the evidence I need to conclude we drafted the #1 guard and #1 forward in the draft
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West Texan said:

Haven't found a clip of it yet, but Bryant had a sequence where he defended the drive, then swatted away the lob attempt. He's all over the place defensively.


Found it!

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Defending the lobber and blocking the lobee on the same play

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Don't know if I'd calling defending the drive lol. Just let him go right by and recovered well
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Bummer. Dylan overthrew Bryant on a highlight reel alley oop.
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No way Jones-Garcia just waved off the big so he could post up a dude that's a foot taller than him
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Impressive finish by the lefty. Also, this kind of feel off the ball is why the Spurs aren't too worried about having too many ball handlers.
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Dylan Harper with the impressive block.

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Harper has looked good on both sides of the ball in his debut despite limited minutes.

And Bryant is just a beast on defense.
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