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canadianAg said:

Well we made it! 33 going on 34. Going to go celebrate with a nice dinner this weekend with the wife and then back to work! Admittedly I brought in our 529 accounts this time but I figured that's always optional and may or may not be used.

401k: $415k (50/50 Roth and tradition).
Company stock: $210k
Cash value of defined contribution pension: $120k
Roth IRA: $40k
Traditional IRA: $35k
HSA: $75k
Cash: $70k
529s: $40k



That's badass man
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LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.


I'm an expert...

Cash is King!

Keep that powder dry, boys!
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Congrats! Is the company stock all vested? Great milestone at a young age! Keep it up
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It's about 50/50. The vested portion is actually in the market, I always sell as soon as it vests because our stock been pretty terrible.
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just realizing my Roth IRA is close to catching up with my 401K balance after maxing both for over a decade
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Ag92NGranbury said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.


I'm an expert...

Cash is King!

Keep that powder dry, boys!

This.
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Congratulations! Have you made the jump to homeownership?
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Yep! Just don't include it in any calcs because I need somewhere to live and even if I wanted to downsize the house in the future, I'd probably just upsize on the land.
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LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.
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canadianAg said:

Yep! Just don't include it in any calcs because I need somewhere to live and even if I wanted to downsize the house in the future, I'd probably just upsize on the land.

Congrats brother!
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Yeah this is one area where boring can definitely win in the end. I am blessed with a pretty well paying job, but my expenses are less than a quarter of my income. 14 year old car, no debts outside my house, and no crazy spending. That leaves me a good chunk every month to invest, and it adds up and compounds quickly. Once I made those life adjustments I got there in short order.
Now I'm in my mid 50's, and could retire, but can't seem to accept the idea that I really could. Hard for me to believe I got it right and am one of the lucky ones you know? So I find doom scenarios that keep me working and saving. Like what if SS goes broke, am I still good? Or what if I feel differently and want to move somewhere really nice and expensive in a few years? What if I have to support my parents or pay for their assisted living etc? So I chug on, but that freedom to know if I got laid off or got fed up at work I am likely good is a pretty nice feeling. Security and safety has always been my motivation anyway in saving.
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Wow! That's impressive man
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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.

Depends on what you have in retirement nest egg. We have 2 years of cash sitting out of the market and have for a few years now. I would actually like to up that to 3 and am ratcheting up to that.

Using fake numbers, if you have already have $5M in retirement then keeping $200-300k in cash savings earning 4-5% on its own shouldn't give you that much heartburn. It's insurance earning interest that is immediately available and considering current conditions you probably want to have more in cash on hand anyway.
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oragator said:

Yeah this is one area where boring can definitely win in the end. I am blessed with a pretty well paying job, but my expenses are less than a quarter of my income. 14 year old car, no debts outside my house, and no crazy spending. That leaves me a good chunk every month to invest, and it adds up and compounds quickly. Once I made those life adjustments I got there in short order.
Now I'm in my mid 50's, and could retire, but can't seem to accept the idea that I really could. Hard for me to believe I got it right and am one of the lucky ones you know? So I find doom scenarios that keep me working and saving. Like what if SS goes broke, am I still good? Or what if I feel differently and want to move somewhere really nice and expensive in a few years? What if I have to support my parents or pay for their assisted living etc? So I chug on, but that freedom to know if I got laid off or got fed up at work I am likely good is a pretty nice feeling. Security and safety has always been my motivation anyway in saving.

You are me; I am you. I don't worry about SS as that is not in my projections, but I have the same scenarios of what if we wanted to outright move and/or get second place and paying for my parent's health. We've already lived through one parent in memory care and that was $8k per month.

Luckily, his retirement nest egg covered that but my parents do not have near the same level of money. We would need to supplement and ultimately own all of it. My mom will absolutely end up in assisted living if/when my Dad passes before her because she's blind and deaf. He wholly takes care of her right now.

Every time I talk to our FA I ask him if I can retire and just walk away and he gives me the same tired head look of, "Yes, you have more than enough money."

Me:
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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.



I actually have done that to protect against sequence of return risk and have a bridge to social security. I am retiring very soon though. Running the numbers with a 2000 or 2008 loss would be very painful especially with no new money coming in. With markets at all time highs it was time for me to take some money off the table and look at it in terms of years of retirement spending not dependent on the market. A good book I read was The Psychology of Money and a quote in there was "why risk what you have and need for money you don't have and don't need". If you have enough saved why risk so much? Each person is different but I know myself and if I stayed with as much tied up in the market like I had and we had a big drop I would kick my own ass, then my wife would get a turn.
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Exactly.
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YouBet said:

oragator said:

Yeah this is one area where boring can definitely win in the end. I am blessed with a pretty well paying job, but my expenses are less than a quarter of my income. 14 year old car, no debts outside my house, and no crazy spending. That leaves me a good chunk every month to invest, and it adds up and compounds quickly. Once I made those life adjustments I got there in short order.
Now I'm in my mid 50's, and could retire, but can't seem to accept the idea that I really could. Hard for me to believe I got it right and am one of the lucky ones you know? So I find doom scenarios that keep me working and saving. Like what if SS goes broke, am I still good? Or what if I feel differently and want to move somewhere really nice and expensive in a few years? What if I have to support my parents or pay for their assisted living etc? So I chug on, but that freedom to know if I got laid off or got fed up at work I am likely good is a pretty nice feeling. Security and safety has always been my motivation anyway in saving.

You are me; I am you. I don't worry about SS as that is not in my projections, but I have the same scenarios of what if we wanted to outright move and/or get second place and paying for my parent's health. We've already lived through one parent in memory care and that was $8k per month.

Luckily, his retirement nest egg covered that but my parents do not have near the same level of money. We would need to supplement and ultimately own all of it. My mom will absolutely end up in assisted living if/when my Dad passes before her because she's blind and deaf. He wholly takes care of her right now.

Every time I talk to our FA I ask him if I can retire and just walk away and he gives me the same tired head look of, "Yes, you have more than enough money."

Me:



It's never enough. I've struggled with that too in making my decision to retire but finally I decided to make the leap. I realized I could "what if" myself for years. The easiest thing to do is keep working for another two, three, four years. But what am I giving up? I'll never be younger or healthier than I am right now. My financial advisor told me a story about a farmer client of his with no debt and 10 million in retirement assets and 65 years old. He was asking if he could possibly retire.
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Yeah, my plan is/was to retire in 2028 because that's tied to an equity event for me. However, that equity could be worthless for all I know. Zero guarantee of it amounting to anything.

In the last week, I've told my wife that my 3-year plan as of May 2025 has now shortened to 1 year and that's simply because work hassle factor and annoying people are real and now while that equity is not.
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It's not easy I get it. I'm second guessing myself a lot lately! I have coworkers and friends asking me Why am I retiring now? Why don't you just keep working? Ultimately I tell them I just want more control of my time. I have some money, I have some health, now I just want to buy some time. And I want that time to be more on my terms.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.



I actually have done that to protect against sequence of return risk and have a bridge to social security. I am retiring very soon though. Running the numbers with a 2000 or 2008 loss would be very painful especially with no new money coming in. With markets at all time highs it was time for me to take some money off the table and look at it in terms of years of retirement spending not dependent on the market. A good book I read was The Psychology of Money and a quote in there was "why risk what you have and need for money you don't have and don't need". If you have enough saved why risk so much? Each person is different but I know myself and if I stayed with as much tied up in the market like I had and we had a big drop I would kick my own ass, then my wife would get a turn.

I get what he is saying and agree with the concept of it, it just seems as if 3 years is a lot to put away. I would rather do maybe two years. I am curious, as you say you are already doing this - do you continue this ad infinitum into retirement? That is, do you always circulate out of equities and into cash equivalents so that there is a constant 3-year (or whatever) buffer you are drawing from? Or do you plan to just do this at the beginning of retirement?
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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

AgOutsideAustin said:

He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.



I actually have done that to protect against sequence of return risk and have a bridge to social security. I am retiring very soon though. Running the numbers with a 2000 or 2008 loss would be very painful especially with no new money coming in. With markets at all time highs it was time for me to take some money off the table and look at it in terms of years of retirement spending not dependent on the market. A good book I read was The Psychology of Money and a quote in there was "why risk what you have and need for money you don't have and don't need". If you have enough saved why risk so much? Each person is different but I know myself and if I stayed with as much tied up in the market like I had and we had a big drop I would kick my own ass, then my wife would get a turn.

I get what he is saying and agree with the concept of it, it just seems as if 3 years is a lot to put away. I would rather do maybe two years. I am curious, as you say you are already doing this - do you continue this ad infinitum into retirement? That is, do you always circulate out of equities and into cash equivalents so that there is a constant 3-year (or whatever) buffer you are drawing from? Or do you plan to just do this at the beginning of retirement?

I know you didn't ask me but since I'm doing this already....if I pull cash from this account then I do the following to replenish:

1. Replace from paycheck to top off account, then/or
2. Replace from muni ladder that spins off cash quarterly.
- We usually just reinvest the muni money, but I'll divert cash if I need it to replenish savings.

I'm doing this in twilight of working career. Once I'm in actual retirement, I may change actual amount of what we carry in this account. Not sure yet.
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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

LMCane said:

In all my years of study and podcasts and youtube and books and online

I have never heard a single expert say to keep one million dollars IN CASH.

especially not now with high inflation.

My financial advisor is telling me he wants me to sock away 3 years worth of expenses in cash or cash equivalents in preparation for retirement. I must say, I have never been a fan of having a lot of cash on board unless I was specifically saving up for a purchase, and I am not excited about holding that much back out of the market, either.


That isn't that extreme especially if you consider short term T-bills as cash. Assuming 4% withdrawal rate, that would be 12% of your overall portfolio so if you were doing 70/30 stocks/bonds you could have 18% other bond and 12% short term. Treasuries are yielding as good as or even better than corporate bonds right now so its not that big of a deal.
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I really appreciate reading everyone's posts and perspectives on this thread.

I've shared before: I'm about to be 47 and if I didn't pass $2M this week, I'm only a few thousand shy. That's all investment accounts and my pension - no home equity included.

Anyone who doesn't think mid-life crises are real just hasn't hit mid-life yet. I'm tapped out. Feel like I'm ready to retire now, but I've got to make it to my pension eligibility at 55.

I could hang around 3-4 years past 55 and just about double that pension, but it's not worth it. I want to use that income to bridge the gap until 59 1/2. In my mind, that's exactly what the pension is for.

It's a double-edged sword - it basically locks me in to doing exactly what I'm doing now for another 8 years, but my FA ran some hypothetical numbers for me and even a 20% raise and maxing out the $70k retirement savings number would leave me significantly less than what my pension is projected to pay out.

Most of my coworkers think I'm nuts. I work with a lot of people who work until 60+. That just sounds miserable to me at this point.
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I'm 52 and I struggle daily with whether to retire now or not. I keep telling myself to work until I can get my 14-year-old out of high school, but part of me is tired of the work and the associated frustration of working in an corporate environment. These last few years have probably taken about 5 years off my life expectancy with stress, etc. Thankfully my wife and kids and I went and visited some locations where I think we'll retire when the time is right. Coeur D'alene, ID is where I think we're going to land. Anyone been there? Anyone have different ideas of where to retire? Where have you landed?

To stay on topic, we fully fund an HSA, my 401k with company match hits the $77500 limit every year, we do jumbo back door Roth contributions as well as fully fund a Roth for me and my wife through back door conventions given my income surpasses what is allowed. We're in a good spot. Right now we have bout $181,000 I keep as a rainy day fund and I invest that in TMCXX. If I retired today, we could live till I'm 100 spending about $30k more than what we spend today. We're in a good spot, I think.
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Beautiful place. If we ever left Texas, we are going to Tennessee or Idaho.

We also love Santa Fe area of NM, but I don't trust their state and local governments.
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Funny you mention NM. We drove through Ratn a few times over the last few weeks on our way to Casper. The Ratn, NM / Trinidad, CO area is beautiful, but no way on earth will I ever settle in NM, and for the exact reason you mentioned. It's such a poorly run state.
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RightWingConspirator said:

I'm 52 and I struggle daily with whether to retire now or not. I keep telling myself to work until I can get my 14-year-old out of high school, but part of me is tired of the work and the associated frustration of working in an corporate environment. These last few years have probably taken about 5 years off my life expectancy with stress, etc. Thankfully my wife and kids and I went and visited some locations where I think we'll retire when the time is right. Coeur D'alene, ID is where I think we're going to land. Anyone been there? Anyone have different ideas of where to retire? Where have you landed?

To stay on topic, we fully fund an HSA, my 401k with company match hits the $77500 limit every year, we do jumbo back door Roth contributions as well as fully fund a Roth for me and my wife through back door conventions given my income surpasses what is allowed. We're in a good spot. Right now we have bout $181,000 I keep as a rainy day fund and I invest that in TMCXX. If I retired today, we could live till I'm 100 spending about $30k more than what we spend today. We're in a good spot, I think.


If I retired today, we could live till I'm 100 spending about $30k more than what we spend today.

We're in a good spot, I think.

What exactly do you need to think about?

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Insurance is a consideration. I'm Type 1 Diabetic and I do have some insurance benefits from my work, but it would still be substantial until I can roll over to Medicare. I'm only 52 so I'd have to fork over a decent chunk of money for the next several years.
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That's fair. I think you're too young to retire like me.
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RightWingConspirator said:

I'm 52 and I struggle daily with whether to retire now or not. I keep telling myself to work until I can get my 14-year-old out of high school, but part of me is tired of the work and the associated frustration of working in an corporate environment. These last few years have probably taken about 5 years off my life expectancy with stress, etc. Thankfully my wife and kids and I went and visited some locations where I think we'll retire when the time is right. Coeur D'alene, ID is where I think we're going to land. Anyone been there? Anyone have different ideas of where to retire? Where have you landed?

To stay on topic, we fully fund an HSA, my 401k with company match hits the $77500 limit every year, we do jumbo back door Roth contributions as well as fully fund a Roth for me and my wife through back door conventions given my income surpasses what is allowed. We're in a good spot. Right now we have bout $181,000 I keep as a rainy day fund and I invest that in TMCXX. If I retired today, we could live till I'm 100 spending about $30k more than what we spend today. We're in a good spot, I think.


Ever since a friend of mine introduced me to the concept of "the youth of your retirement years", I cannot get it out of my head. All other things being equal, the first five years you're retired will be the years that you are most physically capable. the average American man has a life altering health event at age 66.1.

I generally like what I do, but find myself growing weary of office politics. Then I looked up and saw that I was one of the 5 or so oldest people in the office where I work. That woke me up.

We are looking at getting a place somewhere like Antigua or Lake Atitlan in Guatemala. Been down there many times. It is gorgeous, with springtime weather year-round. A couple can live there with a first world lifestyle for $3000 per month or less. Healthcare is first rate at a cost of about 1/5 of the US.

If my wife wasn't so hung up on staying close to grandkids we don't yet have, I probably would've already checked out and be down there. As it is, we will probably split time between a barndominium we build somewhere in semi-rural Texas and Guatemala. I'm counting the days.
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Pacifico said:

If I retired today, we could live till I'm 100 spending about $30k more than what we spend today.

We're in a good spot, I think.

Take note, folks. This is how you humblebrag on Texags.
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RightWingConspirator said:

Insurance is a consideration. I'm Type 1 Diabetic and I do have some insurance benefits from my work, but it would still be substantial until I can roll over to Medicare. I'm only 52 so I'd have to fork over a decent chunk of money for the next several years.


Have you priced out healthcare exchange policies? I am mid 40s, retired a year and half ago and on the exchange. The plans aren't as bad a f16 will have you believe. You could always go HDHP and just pay the 8k a year max out of pocket. If you budget for that you could give up work now and do whatever you want. Don't throw years of your life away just for the insurance.

If you love your job and it brings you purpose keep at it. Otherwise as someone on the other side I am glad I hung it up once I hit my number.
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My brother is like a 1% guy. He pays $50 - $60 a month for HC. 52 years old.
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Yeah in early retirement I can engineer my taxable income, I could have made it look like I made no money last year as far as the IRS concerned and gotten a full subsidy on my healthcare from the exchange. I decided to do large Roth conversion instead and pay my premiums. I think that will give me more long term results since I am over 30 years away from RMDs I should be able to Roth convert my entire IRA at 12% before then.
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I'm 39 soon to be 40 in Sept. had a stroke on Easter Sunday, don't worry I am back to 100% now like it never happened, and am ready to retire. I've got 6 years or so left I think.
 
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