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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 3:44p, 8/6/25
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Obi Wan Ginobili said:
Burdizzo said:
Where is my Spurs Ring or Trophy?

How much time do those trophies spend in the Courthouse or City Hall? Last one I went out of town, no one asked to see any of my five NBA Championship rings.

Who really benefits from the tax money that subsidizes the Spurs?


I feel like Spurs fanboys are like real estate agents trying to sell me a house with a pool when what I really want is a house in a safe neighborhood and a working air conditioner.



You know what's funny? The Spurs paid for and gave away 20k rings to fans after the won the title.

You couldn't even whine without being wrong.





Rings went to fans who happened to buy tickets at one specific game. Didn't go to taxpayers that subsidize the building they venue where they work. Somewhere I have a Patty Mills bobblehead doll too. They are probably of similar value. Woo, what a trophy.

Does he even still play for them?
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In reply to Hank the Grifter • 5:21p, 8/6/25
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cav14 said:
Hank the Grifter said:
Burdizzo said:
TxDOT will probably be more cooperative crossing that ROW with a pedestrian land bridge than a pedestrian tunnel. Just my experience dealing with them.


TXDOT hates the idea.
And I'm glad they do.
I don't want a dime of taxpayer money to pay for this.
Let the Spurs go to Austin.
Sick of being held hostage.

Where do you get the idea that TXDOT hates the land bridge idea when they have already built it in Dallas and are currently in the process of planning/building one in Austin?

Because I know people.
That's the best you're gonna get out of me.
Believe me or not, makes no difference to me.

Sure I believe you that you know some people within TXDOT who don't like land bridges. But it's obvious that they have little to no influence on what actually gets decided at TXDOT since they have moved forward with building the land bridges in Dallas and Austin. So in the end to use you own words, what you have said so far really makes no difference to me and the outcome of this aspect of Project Marvel since the people you know don't make the big boy decisions. That will ultimately most likely come down to locals when it comes up for a bond vote to help pay for the bridge.
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In reply to cav14 • 9:06p, 8/7/25
You're aware that TXDOT is divided into districts, yes?
You're aware that those districts make decisions independently of other districts, yes?

Edit: you have no idea who I know in TXDOT or what roles they serve. Turn down the "smug" a bit.
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10:12p, 8/7/25
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Our new socialist mayor who checks all the boxes doesn't seem to be a fan of the project.
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10:13p, 8/7/25
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$5 billion, and we can't even get Skyrides out of the deal? That's what SA needs.
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In reply to Hank the Grifter • 3:17a, 8/9/25
Hank the Grifter said:
You're aware that TXDOT is divided into districts, yes?
You're aware that those districts make decisions independently of other districts, yes?

Edit: you have no idea who I know in TXDOT or what roles they serve. Turn down the "smug" a bit.

Yes, I know. But like you said, it don't make a lick a difference because in the end it will come down to a bond vote and not your friends in TXDOT. So you can calm down there boomer and save your cloud yelling later during the vote. Just enjoy for now that TXDOT is spending billions of dollars on many other projects over SA that have nothing to do with Project Marvel.
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8:04a, 8/9/25
The Spurs didn't like the Hemisfair Arena so the city/taxpayers built them the Alamo Dome.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs didn't like the Alamo Dome so the city/taxpayers built them AT&T Center.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs don't like the AT&T Center so they want the city/taxpayers to build them another venue ......across the road from the Alamo Dome they didn't like.
Rinse and repeat
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In reply to Rattler12 • 9:05p, 8/9/25
Rattler12 said:
The Spurs didn't like the Hemisfair Arena so the city/taxpayers built them the Alamo Dome.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs didn't like the Alamo Dome so the city/taxpayers built them AT&T Center.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs don't like the AT&T Center so they want the city/taxpayers to build them another venue ......across the road from the Alamo Dome they didn't like.
Rinse and repeat

Hemisphere Arena - 11k seating capacity, old as balls. Needed an upgrade.

Alamodome - Built to attract a football team and conventions, as well as a home for the Spurs. Did you ever see a game in there? They used half the stadium and curtains. It wasn't built for them....

ATT Center - Need to pack heat in the area, ZERO walkability


You simplified your argument to fit a weak narrative. You could have googled the Hemisphere and Alamodome crap, but why let all the facts get in the way of your opinion?
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 8:26a, 8/10/25
Obi Wan Ginobili said:
Rattler12 said:
The Spurs didn't like the Hemisfair Arena so the city/taxpayers built them the Alamo Dome.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs didn't like the Alamo Dome so the city/taxpayers built them AT&T Center.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs don't like the AT&T Center so they want the city/taxpayers to build them another venue ......across the road from the Alamo Dome they didn't like.
Rinse and repeat

Hemisphere Arena - 11k seating capacity, old as balls. Needed an upgrade.

Alamodome - Built to attract a football team and conventions, as well as a home for the Spurs. Did you ever see a game in there? They used half the stadium and curtains. It wasn't built for them....

ATT Center - Need to pack heat in the area, ZERO walkability


You simplified your argument to fit a weak narrative. You could have googled the Hemisphere and Alamodome crap, but why let all the facts get in the way of your opinion?

Thanks for your reply but I think you missed the point.......how long will it take before they feel they need yet a 5th venue if this 4th one is built. Improve in the W/L column first then talk new arena.....

As far as your Hemisfair Arena and Alamodome comment....I was around when both were built and they were presented as the cat's meow at the time as was the ATT center. Hindsight is always 20/20. A little foresight and these "boondoggles" wouldn't have happened.
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In reply to Rattler12 • 9:32a, 8/10/25
Rattler12 said:
Obi Wan Ginobili said:
Rattler12 said:
The Spurs didn't like the Hemisfair Arena so the city/taxpayers built them the Alamo Dome.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs didn't like the Alamo Dome so the city/taxpayers built them AT&T Center.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs don't like the AT&T Center so they want the city/taxpayers to build them another venue ......across the road from the Alamo Dome they didn't like.
Rinse and repeat

Hemisphere Arena - 11k seating capacity, old as balls. Needed an upgrade.

Alamodome - Built to attract a football team and conventions, as well as a home for the Spurs. Did you ever see a game in there? They used half the stadium and curtains. It wasn't built for them....

ATT Center - Need to pack heat in the area, ZERO walkability


You simplified your argument to fit a weak narrative. You could have googled the Hemisphere and Alamodome crap, but why let all the facts get in the way of your opinion?

Thanks for your reply but I think you missed the point.......how long will it take before they feel they need yet a 5th venue if this 4th one is built. Improve in the W/L column first then talk new arena.....

As far as your Hemisfair Arena and Alamodome comment....I was around when both were built and they were presented as the cat's meow at the time as was the ATT center. Hindsight is always 20/20. A little foresight and these "boondoggles" wouldn't have happened.


By the time the new arena will be built, the SBC/AT&T/Frost Center will be closing in on 25-30 years old. That's pretty much the useful life of an arena in an industry that is CONSTANTLY evolving. Other than the location (which is literally what the new arena plan aims to fix), can you please tell me how it was a "boondoggle" instead of just labelling it that?

How is 25+ years of useful life hosting professional sports teams, a massive annual stock show and rodeo, and countless concerts and events a boondoggle?


**Edit** I don't know why I'm still arguing. Project Marvel will happen no matter how many grumpy old men complain, everyone under the age of 65 will love it, tourists will fund it, and more people will get to enjoy it because it's specifically being built to do more than just play basketball.
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10:05a, 8/10/25
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Some of us grumpy old men are in our 50s

I agree Marvel will happen. They would not be tearing down ITTC if they didn't already have some level of confidence. And if we are committed to keeping the Spurs (which I think the community is) they do need a better stadium in a better location. Some portion of Marvel (namely a basketball arena) will happen, but I have my doubts all of it will get built. And I bet the rodeo moves downtown with it just so they will support it politically. Livestock show will probably still continue out at Freeman. This city struggles with long-term vision and long term execution. The economy relies too heavily on kitschy tourism and federal spending.

All that said, we have been down this road before, and some of don't like the taste of what we are fed by the proponents. The economic development around the Frost Center never materialized like was promoted. We never got a full-time tenant for the Alamo Dome after 30 years. And I was a little offended when the Spurs said their fan experience was one of the lowest in the league as if that were the city's responsibility. That doesn't begin to address Greg Popovich preaching to the community about stuff unrelated to basketball.
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 9:57p, 8/10/25
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Obi Wan Ginobili said:
Rattler12 said:
The Spurs didn't like the Hemisfair Arena so the city/taxpayers built them the Alamo Dome.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs didn't like the Alamo Dome so the city/taxpayers built them AT&T Center.
Rinse and repeat...
The Spurs don't like the AT&T Center so they want the city/taxpayers to build them another venue ......across the road from the Alamo Dome they didn't like.
Rinse and repeat


ATT Center - Need to pack heat in the area, ZERO walkability


But but but we need to build the ATT Center on the east side, it'll be perfect for revitalizing that part of town.

Yet another boondoggle.
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