*** SUPERMAN *** (Spoiler Thread)

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That was an absolute blast. Been awhile since I've had that much fun in a movie. They nailed the casting all the way around. Corenswet did a great job. Brosnahan is the best live action Lois we've had. Only thing I missed was her calling him Smallville. Loved Krypto. I got an unruly dog like that

Nathon Fillion has to be one of those actors that probably just never caught the right break to really explode, but he's always been a favorite of mine.

Edi as Mr. Terrific was outstanding and the biggest surprise. Like others have said, he stole the show. Gunn has a penchant for nailing side characters.

Was not expecting to ever see Metamorpho in a live action film so that was a big surprise. CGI was a little janky during the pocket dimension stuff.

Will echo complaints that the Kents felt very much like an old school parody of whatever Hollywood thinks farmers and ranchers are. It's annoying.


I was actually coming back to say this, but he was excellent as Mr. Terrific and I like that they chose to give him more of the screen time from that group than the more 'obvious' choice of Green lantern.

I didnt really like the Kents either, BUT people do look and talk like them. Not just a stereotype, and its not like it negatively represented them. They were clearly good people
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I agree. This was a pretty big change from the interpretation that we are used to in live action but my grandparents were Kansas farmers and they would interact in a very similar way. And the scene with Clark and his dad brings a lot of humanity to them as parents which I thought was one of the best scenes in the film
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At least it wasn't "stop my invincible son, let the drowning kids die" pa Kent
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Also, movie was great. Such a feel good time. Gunn nailed the character of Superman.

Guy, Lois, Jimmy Olsen and Mr. Terrific were all great.

Hoult was spot on as the vain cruel insecure genius Lex. Eisenberg was never able to capture the ego, Hoult did.
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I don't like superhero movies, but thought it was fantastic. All the idiosyncratic characters, the action, and special effects and how it didn't take itself too seriously.

I'm also really enjoying the random cameos that pop up, John Cena, Bradley Cooper, the Easter eggs make the movie even more enjoyable.

I think it's a must see, did not get any sort of political vibe at all, I think you had to be really looking for it to get any sort of message out of the movie other than standard Superman fare.

Also, this movie is chock full of beautiful actresses, which is the only thing I didn't like because I've been away from my wife for 6 weeks with 2 more to go haha
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Loved it.

Echo that the swearing could have been less. Truly not for littles (especially with Lex's Russian roulette scene).

Also, the end credits scenes were pointless.
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A is A said:

Loved it.

Echo that the swearing could have been less. Truly not for littles (especially with Lex's Russian roulette scene).

Also, the end credits scenes were pointless.


I loved that Russian roulette scene, really turned him from "slightly egomaniacal greasy businessman" to "real bad guy"

Wish I knew what kind of revolver he had, it was beautiful
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[color=#000000][size=3]Wish I knew what kind of revolver he had, it was beautiful[/size][/color]

It was a Colt SAA or a replica/variant.
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Just here to echo what everyone else has said. Both my 16-yr old son and myself loved the movie. No big complaints.

The entire casting was on point. Not one of them left me thinking the role would have been better with someone else. Isabella Merced might be the one with the biggest question mark, but only because she didn't really have a big enough role to get a feel for her. I feel like Hawkgirl was only written into this movie because Gunn felt like only two heroes in the "Justice Gang" wasn't sufficient. However, I think that once Metamorpho was broken out of the pocket dimension he could have filled out that 3rd position on the team and just left Hawkgirl to be introduced in a later movie. I do still maintain that she's too short to play the Hawkgirl girl. But overall, my Hawkgirl complaint is just a miniscule quibble.

Corenswet is perfect. Would have liked to see more Clark Kent. But I'm fine with the balance of Clark Kent/Superman in the movie considering the plot. And what I did see convinced me he's a better Clark Kent than Cavill was.

Had the awesome trademark James Gunn camera-spiralling-around battle scene with Mr. Terrific.

Best onscreen (non animated) Lois Lane yet.

And I absolutely loved how we were thrust into a world where not only is the human population used to seeing superhumans battle "dimensional imps", but Superman casually lets the Justice Gang handle it because he's dealing with some personal issues. Like others have said, this movie is exactly what it would be like to decide to pick up a comic book and dive into it.

Not perfect, but damn close. 9.5 out of 10.
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A is A said:

Loved it.

Echo that the swearing could have been less. Truly not for littles (especially with Lex's Russian roulette scene).

Also, the end credits scenes were pointless.


I think the point of the end credits scenes was just that....rather than leaving the audience with question marks or trying to open the door to a whole movie universe by introducing a last second surprise, they were just simple scenes for the enjoyment of everyone who already had a huge smile on their face.

Rather than endimg the movie with complications, just ending it with a nice little cherry on top.
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Gunn mentioned he didn't want to be beholden to the credit scenes after Guardians 2. Think of all of the recent marvel ones that haven't seen any mention or payoff.
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Son and I saw it this morning. Really enjoyed it.

Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern was so good. That was probably my biggest skepticism walking into it. Besides wondering if we would finally get a good DC movie.
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Before I post on this thread again:
Everything below is an opinion.

I saw Superman on the Bob Bullock IMAX last night and it was the most fun I've had with a super hero movie since guardians. I am an unabashed James Gunn fan. His heart, humor, WIT, feel for action, and ability to create emotionally resonant themes are my jam. His kinky weirdness and ability to address sensitive subjects with a comedic tone are perfect in superhero movies... He understands the source material. I didn't read tons of DC(more of a Marvel guy in my youth), so I will have to YouTube and watch again to get the layers on layers of what Gunn is setting up for the DCU...but, man I can start to see what he's laying down and I'm all in until it crumbles like the MCU. I don't know what I would nitpick now, but I remember thinking a couple times 'why?'... I'll have to see what those are on the second viewing. I'm still just on a high from the ACTING/CASTING, pace, top tier action scenes, music(another classic Gunn soundtrack), and heart. I think David is my favorite SM. Lex, Lois, and Jimmy have never been done this well, not even close. I'm g d Mr incredible...this guy needs more screen time, stat. His action scene is fire on every level. I can't remember Fillion's Guy even saying an unfunny thing once. Chef's kiss. Cameos are great...especially Supergirl! And a special **** YES to Anthony Carrigan's Metamorpho...love love love that guy. It's not perfect, but dam what a fun, happy movie.

WAY better than that trash MI movie. I jest!
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Sitting in the theater now with the whole family at star cinema grill in city Centre….looking forward to it but man the screen seems a little small for the theatre we're in….

Think the kids are really excited
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1 hour and 20 minute breakdown by Voss. Good lord

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Anyone watching that needs to get laid.
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Just got done. This movie is a blast. My son adored every second and then sprinted to the bathroom as soon as the credits rolled. Later found out he needed to pee about an hour into the movie but didn't want to miss anything.
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Went into this is cold..hadn't read anything here or anywhere else about the movie except maybe some initial casting news. Wife casually asked if wanted to go...

Wow, that was awesomeness. I knew this was something more with the long interview/fight between Clark and Lois at her apartment. Such great writing and acting.

Loved the robo monkeys writing social media sh**posts, lol.

Best comic book movie in a long time, best DC movie and best Superman movie.
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I'll post my full thoughts later….still in the theatre waiting for the 2nd post credits scene to roll…..

But overall….that was FUN!!!!
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Saw it tonight with a couple of Ol Army Ags.

[u]BEST[/u]
The Hall of Justice cameo from the Superfriends, right down to the chairs inside and color motif. My friends and I are the age (old) where that is an all-timer early childhood memory. We were overjoyed.

Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern. Been calling it from Day 1 that was so perfectly cast the movie could have just been him. I could just watch all his scenes on repeat. Him batting the eyeball with a huge stick over and over in the background of the serious Lois-Clark scene was so fantastic.

Edi as Mr. Terrific - I know that actor only from his characters on For All Mankind who is mostly a pr8ck. I think I liked his fight scene at the military base the best.

Beck Bennett - That's how you get that role to shine. You put an amazing improv comedian in it who can make the most of <10 lines. Him not having a chair in the spaceship was great.

Hoult - as Luthor. Luthor rightly should be equal parts brilliant and ruthless. Having him kill that shoot and kill the civilian was smart. Because it came right after the whole "I replicated the Big Bang and trained these monkeys to use social media" part that threatened to send the movie careening into slapstick land.

Brosnahan - just gorgeous as Lois, although she's also in my criticisms .

Superman pushing the limits on his power - Always my concern in movies about him. When he blasts off from the baseball stadium and takes the Engineer and Ultraman beyond the atmosphere, you see that he's got limits he hasn't tested yet, but in extreme situations he will.

[u]NOT THE BEST[/u]
Hammer Time - The intro tells us Superman has just lost a fight for the first time ever, but either he nor Lois seems the least bit concerned about it the next day. It seems like at least he should have been shaken to the core, and Lois should have had 60 billion questions about who the hell just whipped her boyfriend's ass.

The Retcon of Jor-El - That was a tough sell. Jor-El is a huge part of the lore and his benevolence is special. It seemed really odd that the Superman Robots couldn't figure out the broken message that appears to be built from the same system they are.

Not Enough Lois - Goes hand in hand with the problem of many with no enough Clark. She's so good with the Justice Gang and so good with Mr. Fantastic and then she vanishes other than the white board scene. Feels like there was some stuff cut out for the DP staff during the climatic battle

Lex's Pocket Universe - That was a big jump from what looked like a teleportation device to him basically replicating the creation of the universe. With that amount of power, it seems like didn't need to tap dance with the US government to bring down Superman.

I Think I'm a Clone Now - I mean I'm not comic-aholic, but I knew from the moment Ultraman's name came up that eventually the hood was coming off and we'd have Cornswet playing 2 roles. It's obviously a Catch-22 - it's an old trope but you need someone who can take Superman on.

When James Gunn goes too CGI Heavy - The reason I have never liked GOTG2 as much as the other 2 entries is the mess of the flying punch fight between Ego and Quill. When Superman and baby Metamorpho are battling the Pocket Cops in the "Proton River" - we were right there again. Too much stuff all over the place and it becomes zero stakes, I just want it to be over

Overall: Really, really liked it. Most fun I've had a the theater since Deadpool & Wolverine. The same energy and heart that I associate with GOTG1 but arguably a much harder thing to pull off because of the weight of it being Superman. In order to veer away from a retread, I really hope they update Brainiac's story and make him the bad guy in the sequel and hope they don't take 9 years to make that sequel unlike The Batman - I'll assume everyone saw the Gotham City easter egg.









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I had prepared myself for weird, but that was somehow weirder than I ever imagined.

Damn good and a ton of fun for sure.

But yeah... super weird, and so weirdly paced as well.

I'm still wrapping my head around how it felt like more of a two-hour episode of Superman than a two-hour movie - though a "pilot" episode that absolutely left me wanting more, and definitely curious to see where the rest of the "show" goes from here.

That said, honestly, it wasn't nearly as emotional for me as some of the reactions led me to believe. It was endearing for sure, but going back to the "episode" vibe, it ultimately fell a little short for me due to how quick the movie moved, how little context was given, etc. I definitely didn't need an origin story, and I actually loved how it began, but I guess I just needed another 20 minutes or so of Clark in Metropolis/at The Daily Planet, Clark and Lois together, Clark back in Kansas, etc, to feel like I knew him (and Lois) just a little more. I don't know, just something to deepen the characters and give it a bit more of an epic, cinematic feel.

If anything, that was the "buzziest" crowd I've been around in forever. Completely packed/sold out, everyone so amped to see it, and more than I expected wearing capes, Superman T-shirts, etc. The audience laughed a ton throughout, cheered a couple times, and then gave a big round of applause at the end.

It's a hit for sure, and a movie I want to revisit, free of whatever expectations I had going into it.

The coolest part of the night was actually hanging a bit with Beck Bennett beforehand, outside the theater. We were at the Chinese Theater IMAX, the showing before ours had let out late for some reason, and they didn't open the doors until fifteen minutes before showtime (thankfully they pushed our start time another fifteen minutes to accommodate). So a ton of the audience was gathered outside beforehand, where all the cemented movie star handprints are, and that's when I noticed Bennett with a group right next to our group. One of my friends - the one I've mentioned here before who ran the marketing campaign for the movie - immediately said, "Oh, I should say hi," seeing as she had just done some promo stuff with him. So she went over, said hey, he gave her a hug, then she introduced us and we all started mingling as we waited for the doors to open. He was there with his wife, he said he bought 18 tickets for him and all his friends, and by the time they let us in his whole group had shown up, we chatted with some of them, and it was just a really fun way to kick off the night. He couldn't have been cooler or more down to earth either. It was also fun to hear his group cheer the first time he appeared on screen, and to know he was in the audience when his character got big laughs a couple times.

That was only celebrity sighting number one, though, as celebrity sighting number two was way stranger.

While we were mingling with Bennett's crew I noticed James Franco, of all people, walk by with a couple of friends, dressed in all white for some reason - white pants, a white sweater (it was over 80s degrees outside), and a white hat - but like, all kind of gross and hobo chic looking. I quietly pointed him out to my friends, and then he and his friends ended up sitting not too far from us during the movie, up a row and to our left. But then after the movie, my friends and I were outside again, basically where we had been standing before the movie, discussing everything we loved about it, when Franco walked by again. This time, though, he seemed high as a kite, and just kept circling our group, studying/looking down at all the movie star handprints. It was so awkward that we finally stopped our conversation to subtly acknowledge the fact, amongst ourselves, that cancelled/probably-stoned James Franco was for some reason walking circles around us, aimlessly looking at movie star handprints on the ground. His three buddies were maybe twenty feet away, but he then just stopped, alone, right next to us, kind of starring straight ahead. That's when I saw his thin white tote bag was leaking from the bottom some kind of liquid all over his shoe. We were basically giggling when my friend said to him, pointing at his bag, "Hey, you're leaking," at which point he finally noticed and just gave us this sheepish, kind-of-embarrassed smile and walked off toward his friends. We heard him tell them "It's just water" as he tried to fish what a I presume was a bottle out of the bottom of his bag, but who knows.

It was just so weird how, like, twelve or so years ago that dude was one of the biggest movie/comedy stars on the planet, he suddenly got cancelled, and now here he was, aimlessly walking circles around us, some mystery liquid leaking from a tote bag he was carrying, dressed like a grungy house painter, not a single person recognizing/paying any attention to him, to the point where we all just kind of felt sorry for him more than anything. While the guys he was with had the weirdest, scummiest vibe, like the exact kind of people you would picture who would still be hangers on to a cancelled celebrity. The whole encounter honestly made us feel kind of odd and it was all we talked about on the way back to our cars... not the movie.
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EDIT: Never mind. I finally got it working properly.
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It's just water
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I definitely enjoyed it on first watch more than you but I don't disagree with some of your negatives. Going back to watch it again yesterday I think I was able to sit in more with the weirdness and just go with it

I started watching creature commandos last night and Frank Grillos character is the lead as Rick Flagg Sr. Now that is a ****ing weird show when you have Frankenstein and The Bride as major fixtures of that show (Frankenstein monster voiced by David Harbour and the Bride by Indira Verma). I will be interested in how and where Gunn incorporates aspects of this world without it becoming too much. We already see Peacemaker has come over.

What I find interesting is that Gunn has said in the past that Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are not alternate reality. More like mostly true retelling. So justice league showing up that end of Peacemaker, not true. But stuff like Rick Flag Jr dying and Project Starfish, canon because they are now referenced in his show creature commandos which is the beginning of the canon. So he can lift what he wants to be canon and ignore the rest

I don't know, I went down a rabbit hole yesterday to try to grasp more of James Gunns vision for the future than I had previously. I think I was waiting to see how I felt about Superman
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[color=#000000][size=3]I'm still wrapping my head around how it felt like more of a two-hour episode of Superman than a two-hour movie - though a "pilot" episode that absolutely left me wanting more, and definitely curious to see where the rest of the "show" goes from here.[/size][/color]

This is a good analogy. I had the same thought after the movie but couldn't place it. This felt like episode1 of season 2. After the origin story, after the romantic leads finally get together, and after the cliffhanger season 1 finale where Superman was defeated.

It was an interesting approach and I think Gunn pulled it off.
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nathanhenn said:

I agree. This was a pretty big change from the interpretation that we are used to in live action but my grandparents were Kansas farmers and they would interact in a very similar way. And the scene with Clark and his dad brings a lot of humanity to them as parents which I thought was one of the best scenes in the film

One of the few good scenes in the film.

I was hoping for a better movies but Superman - The Movie with Christopher Reeves is still the best one. I wasn't expecting an origin's movie reboot and thought the opening text explains the last few centuries was fine.

And I get this is a 'superhero' movie, you suspend disbelief for these things. But this movie was all over the place. From the pocket dimensions, the rift Luthor opens - that would have killed a billion people at least - the guys in the black suits THAT CAN FLY and are almost as powerful as Superman and some other obscure superhero's are thrown in to the mix with almost not explanation (Green Lantern is obviously more well known).

It just felt like Gunn tried to shove too much into the movie and rushed it. It's just vegetarian lasagna. Most people will take a bite and go, no thanks. Guardian's was much better.

There were some good parts. The scene with his dad on the bench was well done, action scenes were good, the man going into the hole to pull SM back to his feet who was later killed by Luthor, which lead to Metamorpho seeing the end game was his death no matter what happened and did what he could to save his son.

Also, I did hear in the movie that Luthor changed his parent message to the part about harem's and ruling over the Earth right?

DC Movies continue to leave me disappointed.
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That was just awesome and fun. Yes it was different, campy, "weird", etc (as the trailers and such showed) but it worked great and Gunn pulled it off. My Marvel fanatic son said this was the best super hero movie in a long time. Not perfect, but that's impossible 99% of the time anyways. Just some of our basic thoughts overall from a family who didn't really know what to expect, but just going in with a lets see what we get.

Nice approach of everything already on the table already (Lois and Sups already together, etc) and the movie/action was full force from the jump.

Krypto scenes were great and character was handled perfectly

Best portrayal of Lex ever and Hoult was excellent.

Same with Lois and Superman and basically everyone.

And Mr Terrific was the best of them all.

Not killing Jonathan Kent was a great choice, not so sure on the Jor-El "conquering" approach, but it worked and really like the end scene of his real life parents and life.

The only thing we didn't really like was the spoiled and drunk Supergirl scene at the end.
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I've seen fan theories that Jor-El and Lara were forced to say that by Zod, and others to highlight that Superman made the choice to be a hero more because of his human upbringing.

And the Supergirl thing is right on par with how she starts off in the comic her movie will be based on. She's not as altruistic as her cousin, is hot headed, and deals with the weight of watching Krypton be destroyed.
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AgfromHOU said:

I've seen fan theories that Jor-El and Lara were forced to say that by Zod, and others to highlight that Superman made the choice to be a hero more because of his human upbringing.

And the Supergirl thing is right on par with how she starts off in the comic her movie will be based on. She's not as altruistic as her cousin, is hot headed, and deals with the weight of watching Krypton be destroyed.

Great, thanks for that. I wondered and assumed their had to be a purpose for that Supergirl scene. Don't know her lore or that there was even a movie coming for her.
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So, in almost every iteration, she got to grow up on Krypton with her family before Krypton blew up. Her rocket got stuck in a worm hole, which is why she appears younger than Superman. Sometimes she's shown as more powerful than him because she doesn't hold back the same way he does. The partying is just to cope with everyone she knew dying. Not sure if that's how they'll play it here, but it seems that way. I highly recommend reading Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow. It's a short but great book with gorgeous art. The guy who wrote it helped with the screenplay.

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Great movie. I enjoyed it.
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