LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
Fenrir said:
Correct, the Biden white house didn't even pretend to go through a legal process to silence opinions they didn't agree with. What Trump is doing is more akin to what Obama did via the IRS. I'm sure everyone on this thread was adamantly opposed to that as well.
Fenrir said:
What the FCC is arguing is dumb in my opinion. The vast majority of the outrage in this thread is performative and selective.
LB12Diamond said:
So you are cool with speech that promotes violence.
You be you.
swimmerbabe11 said:Fenrir said:
What the FCC is arguing is dumb in my opinion. The vast majority of the outrage in this thread is performative and selective.
totally dumb and politically motivated bullying. That's what half of the people in this thread are trying to say.
no one has said they like Kimmel or hate Kirk or anything like that... just that they think the FCC is out of line with the actions they took.
Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
Fenrir said:
They're saying it because they feel their side is being targeted. They pretty much all shut the hell up when the shoe is on the other foot. The number of people in this thread that are actually in favor of preventing authoritarian bull**** can be counted on one hand if I had to guess.
Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
LB12Diamond said:
Making jokes about Kirk's assassination is promoting violence.
Wow
swimmerbabe11 said:Fenrir said:
They're saying it because they feel their side is being targeted. They pretty much all shut the hell up when the shoe is on the other foot. The number of people in this thread that are actually in favor of preventing authoritarian bull**** can be counted on one hand if I had to guess.
I am a conservative. It was wrong then. it is wrong now.
if its only wrong when it hurts you, thats your lack of integrity speaking, not mine.
Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
Fenrir said:Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
You're accusing me of being conditioned when you're expecting me to buy the "we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" argument? Ok. Meanwhile we know that Lerner destroyed evidence in the form of her phone and all of its contents. Sure, no deception occurred.
htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
javajaws said:Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?
This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.
As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.
AGC said:htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Maybe, but maybe not. If the FCC is supposed to police such things and didn't, would actual enforcement be bad? We live in the era of Kamala's edited interview and the aftermath. Perhaps this is indicative of the FCC taking its mission or partial mission seriously, and the people who lived most outside the lines now have to be accountable.
I'm not sold on the big bad fcc narrative yet.
