Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

RAB91 said:

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An incredible moment caught on camera.

The new Pope Leo XIV meeting Pope John Paul II. pic.twitter.com/ReRFnNhLf1

— CatholicVote (@CatholicVote) May 9, 2025

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Hopefully Robert learned something

Ha

L7 WEENIE said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

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Often taken out of context, but digging deeper into scripture isn't for everyone.

Ephesians 5:25 is where I focus. "as Christ loved the Church" We know what Christ did for the Church. We get the short end of the stick there.

The Rosary Pope.

Did the other thread about the pope get removed?

PabloSerna said:

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L7 WEENIE said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

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Often taken out of context, but digging deeper into scripture isn't for everyone.

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He said to read 1 Timothy 2 in regard to why women can't be a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope. I read 1 Timothy 1-3. I don't think it was out of context. If so please explain instead of just being rude.

L7 WEENIE said:

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PabloSerna said:

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L7 WEENIE said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

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Often taken out of context, but digging deeper into scripture isn't for everyone.

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He said to read 1 Timothy 2 in regard to why women can't be a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope. I read 1 Timothy 1-3. I don't think it was out of context. If so please explain instead of just being rude.

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I also said it was a good start, intentionally pointing out the chapter rather than hyper focusing on a couple of verses, then claiming "ballgame!". You did the right thing by reading even further beyond that. We should certainly continue to zoom out as best as we can to better understand background and context. By the way Ephesians 5 was recently mentioned and is another good chapter to look at.

Hope it serves as a starting point for you to digest where some of us (and the Catholic Church, whom I take great issue on many other things) stand on this issue. I plan on raising two very strong daughters who also understand and respect God's intentions and design for gender roles in the church and the family, just like their mother and grandmother(s).

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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L7 WEENIE said:

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PabloSerna said:

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L7 WEENIE said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

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Often taken out of context, but digging deeper into scripture isn't for everyone.

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He said to read 1 Timothy 2 in regard to why women can't be a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope. I read 1 Timothy 1-3. I don't think it was out of context. If so please explain instead of just being rude.

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Found the shortest explanation I could.



Don't forget how much God/Jesus especially loves women.

Jesus was pretty adamant that the last on earth are first at his table. With that in context… reread Timothy. Great stuff. And a classic example of modernism ruining something beautiful.

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Thanks I will watch this later. For those of you not being rude I appreciate it even if we disagree on a lot.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DJcGqA_tFqF/?igsh=MXUyeGpkeGIxbGo2eQ==

In case people were wondering why he chose the name Leo XIV

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I think Leo XIII is considered the first pope to use the encyclical as a tool for social teaching. Someone might correct me but I think that's right.

The Marksman said:

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FIDO95 said:

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The Marksman said:

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I think Matt Walsh put things pretty well on X(quote below).

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If you aren't Catholic then you don't believe that this Pope was elected through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, so you'll troll through his twitter feed and analyze his selection through a modern political lens, as if he was just elected to a seat in the US senate rather than the Chair of Saint Peter.

If you are a believing Catholic then you do (or should) believe that his election is ordained by God. You view it through the lens of 2,000 years of Church history and the eternal will of the Almighty God. From that perspective, playing the gotcha game with old tweets is silly and bizarre.

This is why any conversation about the Pope on this site is destined to be disjointed, confused, and ultimately useless.

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I think we would all do well to remember that the Pope's political views(which are his own) do not matter so much as his teachings on faith and morals(which come from God and are infallible).

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I agree with Matt Walsh. Thanks for posting that take. Most people are looking at his election purely through secular lens. I'll wait and see.

One important thing to point out, the pope is not infallible in his teachings on faith and morals unless he is writing "Ex Cathedra". This has only been done twice in the past 250 years. Pope Francis teachings on climate change were not "infallible statements".

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Indeed you're right, friend. It always bothered me when non-Catholics(or even some Catholics, unfortunately) complained about Pope Francis' comments about immigration or economics and failed to understand that he was simply expressing his own personal opinions, not Catholic teachings.

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If it was an encyclical it was based on scripture and tradition (little T). While not ex cathedra- still carries weight and forms the teachings of the church.

L7 WEENIE said:

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PabloSerna said:

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L7 WEENIE said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.

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That was heavy. I remember that verse but I haven't seen it in a long time.

No gold or pearls for women. Women must not teach. Women must not assume authority over men. No elaborate hairstyles or expensive clothes for women.

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Often taken out of context, but digging deeper into scripture isn't for everyone.

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He said to read 1 Timothy 2 in regard to why women can't be a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope. I read 1 Timothy 1-3. I don't think it was out of context. If so please explain instead of just being rude.

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Here was the full quote that was then referenced to 1 Tim 2:

" I am talking about being priests, bishops, cardinals, etc and the ministerial decisions/ leadership/ direction/ influence they provide for the church"

I too responded to make the distinction you are referring to- the role of women in leadership roles is changing. That's a good thing, IMO.

If it sounds rude- mea culpa.

Faithful Ag said:

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The reason only men can serve as Deacons, Priests, and Bishops is because that is how God ordained it. The Church is the bride of Christ and Christ is the Bridegroom. The Priest acts in the person of Jesus Christ, who was male.

This does not mean that women do not have an important role to play in the Church, it just means women cannot be preists/pastors.

The video below from Christopher West is an excellent breakdown:

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Were there not deaconess in the early church.

It was something I heard a long time ago.

There were women called Deaconesses, but they did not have any role in the Eucharistic sacrifice. The role of a Deaconess was primarily to Baptize women which makes sense, but only males were involved in the priestly functions of the church.

Today, anyone can still validly Baptize so long as they use the trinitarian format and moving water.

You reminded me of the annual diocesan capital campaign video. Plenty of non-ordained folks giving testimony AFTER the abbreviated homily.

There's that word again....

"In his first formal address to Roman Catholic cardinals, Pope Leo XIV on Saturday said he would continue the work of Pope Francis in steering the church in a more missionary direction, with greater cooperation among church leaders and a closeness to the marginalized."

He confirmed in a meeting with the Cardinals that he chose the name Leo XIV in light of the papacy of Leo XIII during the second industrial revolution. He mentioned XIII's writings on the changing economic structures and the need for the Church to advocate for the working class and the poor. He said we are now in a similar economic shift with AI and stressed the importance of the Church response.

BMX Bandit said:

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I'm still in shock and elation that we have an American pope!

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Cardinal Dolan did an interview on GMA (I think) Friday. He said some of the other Cardinals were asking him about Prevost and he said he had no idea because he never met him. None of the American Cardinals had much interaction with him. He's been mostly in Peru for a few decades followed by a short stint at the Vatican.

That sort of reality is what I think got some of the Cardinals past the idea of electing an American. While he was born in the United States, he has Peruvian citizenship and he was viewed as more of an international guy than an American.

It was a great interview. I didn't know how funny Cardinal Dolan is.



An interesting comment was that he wasn't recognized as as much as an American cardinal but rather a global on. He lived most of his adult life in Peru followed by a stint in Rome. I think that "global" adjective served him well as that is what a pope should be.

Apparently, he did a good job in Peru bridging the gaps between various factions there. Hopefully, he can do the same on the global stage.

Edit to add perhaps the correct one you were referring to:

PabloSerna said:

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The thing that struck me these past two weeks was the global interest in the conclave and the global presence of the Catholic Church.

Today the readings were a reminder )Acts 13:14-31)
" On the following sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and with violent abuse contradicted what Paul said."

" and the word of the Lord continued to spread
through the whole region."

And from Rev 7:9

" I, John, had a vision of a great multitude,
which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue."

Pretty incredible.

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And the Gospel reading was also very timely: the Good Shepherd.

Sounds like Cardinal Dolan led the charge to get Prevost in instead of Parolin.