The question is whether or not the treatment is, in fact, terrible.

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He Shoots....He Scores!!!!

Sorry man, you don't get to pick and choose, or explain the faith to me. A blanket invocation to love the neighbor doesn't preclude law and order or justice. But if you were a Christian you would understand that.

Feel free to demonstrate that the law is terrible and unloving.

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-detention-for-women-is-uniquely-cruel_n_688a681ee4b07dfa117f0372

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Thank you. Another green card holder with a 10 year old marijuana arrest.

There are many in this nation who think that "Ordinary Men" couldn't happen here because we are a "Christian" nation. But if we were truly a Christian nation, we would understand that Christian theology explains the phenomenon perfectly.

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Why do we keep highlighting people who have had decades to pursue citizenship and haven't as 'victims'? Do you put any responsibility on these people to seek citizenship, given that we're paying tax dollars for their children and research? Do they have any culpability for their situation? Is enforcing laws a 'bad' thing? Are you a good judge of their character based on these highly politicized and slanted articles?

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Must a person live a perfect life in order to get any sympathy for terrible treatment?

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It sucks, I agree, but why do they merit special treatment? (That's what this is - don't detain me like every other law breaker and make my family face the consequences of my actions). I can have sympathy for someone but still recognize the consequences are largely of their own making.

If you have kids you owe it to them to become a legal citizen for this exact reason! What should we, the American tax payer, do? Let you stay til you're done nursing then boot you? The only answer you're leading us to is amnesty because then this country is the only one her kids have known, and they're now x age, and so on and so forth.

It is ok if you can't explain.

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-detention-for-women-is-uniquely-cruel_n_688a681ee4b07dfa117f0372

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Thank you. Another green card holder with a 10 year old marijuana arrest.

There are many in this nation who think that "Ordinary Men" couldn't happen here because we are a "Christian" nation. But if we were truly a Christian nation, we would understand that Christian theology explains the phenomenon perfectly.

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Why do we keep highlighting people who have had decades to pursue citizenship and haven't as 'victims'? Do you put any responsibility on these people to seek citizenship, given that we're paying tax dollars for their children and research? Do they have any culpability for their situation? Is enforcing laws a 'bad' thing? Are you a good judge of their character based on these highly politicized and slanted articles?

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Must a person live a perfect life in order to get any sympathy for terrible treatment?

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It sucks, I agree, but why do they merit special treatment? (That's what this is - don't detain me like every other law breaker and make my family face the consequences of my actions). I can have sympathy for someone but still recognize the consequences are largely of their own making.

If you have kids you owe it to them to become a legal citizen for this exact reason! What should we, the American tax payer, do? Let you stay til you're done nursing then boot you? The only answer you're leading us to is amnesty because then this country is the only one her kids have known, and they're now x age, and so on and so forth.

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You shouldn't be arrested for violating conditions of your green card? You shouldn't be detained (either like everyone else or at all) because you have children? You shouldn't be deported ahead of or instead of all the 'bad' guys? Take your pick schmendlock. If you think it's ok to arrest her, detain her, and deport her like everyone else then I don't understand you posting the article.

Edit: I forgot, you may just want her to have a breast pump while she's there to expel milk. I think we're all good providing that and a blanket for privacy.

You keep appealing to emotional standards like terrible and decency. It's all emotional pablum. You won't convince anyone like this.

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You keep appealing to emotional standards like terrible and decency. It's all emotional pablum. You won't convince anyone like this.

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Emotional pablum like "Love your neighbor"

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So all laws, rules and regulations can be wiped away because "love your neighbor?" Where does it stop?

Right, you already tried this angle.

"Many have said much about love, but you will find love itself only if you seek it among the disciples of Christ. For only they have true Love as love's teacher." St Maximos.

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You keep appealing to emotional standards like terrible and decency. It's all emotional pablum. You won't convince anyone like this.

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Emotional pablum like "Love your neighbor"

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So all laws, rules and regulations can be wiped away because "love your neighbor?" Where does it stop?

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You guys keep acting like the decision to deport a lifelong resident for a minor drug charge that was completely resolved over a decade later is a reasonable response. Do you think a person who has lived their entire lives here is so worthless that that justifies this treatment? Is it emotional pablum to think that it's wrong to throw them out like trash?

You may say so. And there's no covincing those of you who think they deserve to be deported. But like I said, sometimes i feel like I have to say something.

" Is it emotional pablum to think that it's wrong to throw them out like trash?"

Yes. Deporting someone for breaking the law is not treating them like trash, any more than jailing a citizen for breaking the law is. Your entire post is literally an appeal to emotion with no actual substance.

Making our communities, and children safer.

ILLEGAL ALIEN PREDATOR LURES, KIDNAPS, & SEXUALLY ASSAULTS WOMAN IN HOUSTON APARTMENT COMPLEX

Jose Maldonado-Zavala, a 60-year-old previously deported illegal alien from Honduras, falsely claimed the victim’s air conditioner was leaking into his apartment. He then forcibly… pic.twitter.com/bZ2QnevnSy

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) August 1, 2025

ETA: notice the "Christ Tabernacle" shirt I am sure some do-gooders gave that scum bag above.

NEW SICKENING ARREST: 2 illegal aliens from Guatemala arrested in Florida for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, beating her with a belt.

Every Democrat pushing law to ban masks on ICE, attacking federal detention centers and hindering raids are responsible for these crimes. pic.twitter.com/UbkZDmfHLV

— Dapper Detective (@Dapper_Det) August 1, 2025

The 'big picture' is clear. No human institution will/can ever be perfect, but at least our government is trying to collectively help us now.

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You keep appealing to emotional standards like terrible and decency. It's all emotional pablum. You won't convince anyone like this.

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Emotional pablum like "Love your neighbor"

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So all laws, rules and regulations can be wiped away because "love your neighbor?" Where does it stop?

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You guys keep acting like the decision to deport a lifelong resident for a minor drug charge that was completely resolved over a decade later is a reasonable response. Do you think a person who has lived their entire lives here is so worthless that that justifies this treatment? Is it emotional pablum to think that it's wrong to throw them out like trash?

You may say so. And there's no covincing those of you who think they deserve to be deported. But like I said, sometimes i feel like I have to say something.

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Who said this person is worthless? Who thinks it's a good idea that she was put in a men's facility? No one that I can see.

If your point that all deportations are immoral, then fine. But don't get upset when people don't agree with you, and don't claim those that disagree with you all wanted deportees to be treated like trash. It doesn't help your case.

An appeal to reasonableness is more rhetorical nonsense. What standard of reason should we adopt? Who decides what is reasonable?

Is it reasonable to follow and enforce the law?

Is it reasonable to make exceptions for foreigners?

Is it reasonable for them to be held to a different and lower standard than citizens?

It's astounding how baseless your argument is. Embarrassing, really

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" Is it emotional pablum to think that it's wrong to throw them out like trash?"

Yes. Deporting someone for breaking the law is not treating them like trash, any more than jailing a citizen for breaking the law is. Your entire post is literally an appeal to emotion with no actual substance.

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Not "someone". A person who lived here essentially their entire life. The life they built here is done for the price of a minor drug charge. You think that's reasonable. I don't.

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This sounds like the soft bigotry of low expectations, to me. I expect a 40 year old man/woman, or for that matter a 20 or 30 year old one, to expect to be held responsible for their immigration/citizenship/legal consequences of drug crimes etc. Otherwise, people philosophically will come to, correctly, believe they are not ever to be held accountable for their actions (or inactions). Potentially breaking the law for a longer period of time doesn't make the law-breaking morally 'more justifiable.' But, again, we don't know that is/was the case yet.

To date, there is no evidence this PhD candidate has been treated improperly, which I have read. I believe DHS/CBP/ICE deserves a wide margin of deference given the profligate lies espoused by defense attorneys such as those advocating for Mahmoud Khalil, or the "Maryland father" who was a human trafficker over a period of over 10 years. As we have parts of the judiciary wildly accusing the executive branch of racial animus, we must enforce all immigration law violations stringently, whether the offender has been here a long time, short while, or from Asia, vs. Scandinavia, Africa etc.

Well I for one will enjoy my lunch after being lectured to regarding how a Christian should think and act.

Might go to C&J's.

Watching some lib bring a pool noodle to a gun fight is always entertaining

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You keep appealing to emotional standards like terrible and decency. It's all emotional pablum. You won't convince anyone like this.

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Emotional pablum like "Love your neighbor"

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So all laws, rules and regulations can be wiped away because "love your neighbor?" Where does it stop?

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You guys keep acting like the decision to deport a lifelong resident for a minor drug charge that was completely resolved over a decade later is a reasonable response. Do you think a person who has lived their entire lives here is so worthless that that justifies this treatment? Is it emotional pablum to think that it's wrong to throw them out like trash?

You may say so. And there's no covincing those of you who think they deserve to be deported. But like I said, sometimes i feel like I have to say something.

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Who said this person is worthless? Who thinks it's a good idea that she was put in a men's facility? No one that I can see.

If your point that all deportations are immoral, then fine. But don't get upset when people don't agree with you, and don't claim those that disagree with you all wanted deportees to be treated like trash. It doesn't help your case.

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Exactly. If I break the law, there are consequences. And rightfully so. All law breakers have to be held accountable or you have anarchy which I am against.

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The thing with the A&M researcher is incredibly stupid. Possession of a small amount of marijuana is not a deportable offense (one time minor posession exception) but possession offense does cause inadmissibility. No equivalent exception.

In other words, you can't be deported for it, but if you travel and come back, you can be denied entry.

There are defenses but I'm not being paid to analyze this case and crimmigration gives me a headache.

Hopefully he has retained good counsel. The law needs to be changed.

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Can cure Lyme but not smart enough not to do drugs ? These don't square. The law doesn't need to be changed.

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The thing with the A&M researcher is incredibly stupid. Possession of a small amount of marijuana is not a deportable offense (one time minor posession exception) but possession offense does cause inadmissibility. No equivalent exception.

In other words, you can't be deported for it, but if you travel and come back, you can be denied entry.

There are defenses but I'm not being paid to analyze this case and crimmigration gives me a headache.

Hopefully he has retained good counsel. The law needs to be changed.

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Can cure Lyme but not smart enough not to do drugs ? These don't square. The law doesn't need to be changed.

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Just ad hominem. There are so many places where you can spew stuff like that and get patted on the back.. Why can't you stay on topic here? Why is it so hard for you? What happened to you? It's not right to arrest a legal resident for a 10 year old marijuana charge that's already been dealt with, deprive them of their due process, lie to them that they aren't protected by the constitution, and subject them to 170 hours of consecutive daylight. I know, people on F16 love this stuff (until it happens to their kids, then they'll pay anything to sweep it under the rug). But this isn't F16.