Does not explain their stonewalling now.

Most of us are of an age where we recognize that being a die hard anarchist and member of ANTIFA is not productive. Instead, we remain skeptical government and advocate accountability whilst also understanding that some things are more important than others.

And it's not necessarily about age but more about maturity.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

Stonewalling? Like asking for more materials to be released? Interviewing Ghislaine? That sort of stonewalling?

They are not stonewalling. The president and Bondi have talked about working to release what they are legally able to. They may know it is a futile effort that will only fuel the conspiracy theorists who will always just assume more remains hidden. That's how this will go for the true believers.

Thats not exactly correct. They've said they will release what they determine to be credible, and only after Prez threw a MAJOR hissy fit and insulted his own voters. Herein lies the the ultimate issue at play. I don't trust their opinion of what is credible or not. Maybe you do. Certainly others like coop and lakeway do, by the sound of it.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

If DJT gives her a pardon does it change your view of DJT?

What's being covered up in the Epstein case?

I do not think a pardon, commutation or other deal is part of the discussion with Ghislaine. But who knows for sure.

I DO think him doing so would not be received too kindly. Again, Biden pardons pedos and no one cares, but the gnashing of the teef would await Trump.

I do not personally support any deal for Ghislaine. She already got off light by the BIden DOJ and their lacky in NY by getting only 20 years for very serious crimes.

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What's being covered up in the Epstein case?

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Mossad blackmail operation of powerful people in America.

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What's being covered up in the Epstein case?

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It appears at the very least that the BIden admin was "not interested" in what Ghislaine had to say. So that would be a cover up.

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Mossad blackmail operation of powerful people in America.

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Really? I think I know who this poster is now!

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What's being covered up in the Epstein case?

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Mossad blackmail operation of powerful people in America.

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Really? I think I know who this poster is now!

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You got me. It's true, I'm Tucker Carlson

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What's being covered up in the Epstein case?

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Alleged Mossad blackmail operation of powerful people in America based on innuendo and supposition.

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There, that looks more accurate.

Some of y'all are trying way too hard

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Probably, but better to get one side than none, IMO. The likelihood we get all is approaching zero.

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But can you trust the list if Maxwell is given a sweetheart deal to only name Trump's enemies? Or do you begin to wonder, did Trump give her a list of names to implicate in exchange for a pardon or commutation?

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Probably, but better to get one side than none, IMO. The likelihood we get all is approaching zero.

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But can you trust the list if Maxwell is given a sweetheart deal to only name Trump's enemies? Or do you begin to wonder, did Trump give her a list of names to implicate in exchange for a pardon or commutation?

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I refuse to believe that the corruption can go this far and be this blatant. If it does, it is well past time for the dissolving of the entire system.

We would never know, I guess. But I'm not so far along to think Trump would do that. Do I think he'll cover for himself, his family, and others on his side? I absolutely think that's entirely possible. But I don't think he'd sink to the other side's proven record of framing people, namely him. Just my personal opinion, though.

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Probably, but better to get one side than none, IMO. The likelihood we get all is approaching zero.

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But can you trust the list if Maxwell is given a sweetheart deal to only name Trump's enemies? Or do you begin to wonder, did Trump give her a list of names to implicate in exchange for a pardon or commutation?

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I refuse to believe that the corruption can go this far and be this blatant. If it does, it is well past time for the dissolving of the entire system.

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Look into the Dutroux Case in Belgium

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Your logic would bench Greg Maddux because he lost a game.

Life must be hard for some of you folks...

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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I thought I read the other day an Obama (or Biden) appointed judge denied the DOJ's request, which was at Trump's insistence, to release info related to Epstein's indictment? IF that happened, how's that Trump's fault?

IMHO, either this is a massive, coordinated psy-op (b/c how else does Trump get EVERY Republican to join ranks???) that is being levied as collateral/ blackmail against Democrat to thwart their obstruction efforts so he he can focus upon his revenge tour aimed at Obama & Hillary, OR, the Epstein files' "current" contents (whereupon the 'good stuff' was shredded &/or 'new & fake' docs were added) aren't the "GOTCHA" source we AND TRUMP were led to believe.

If the latter is the case, then their release won't generate a loud political BOOM but instead a soft whisper of a fart; such would leave egg all over Trump's face & harms his credibility with the current revelation that Barry & Hillary committed sedition/ treason!!

With respect to Obama, the Clintons, & everyone else like Comey & Brennan, are we CERTAIN that Biden's auto pen didn't grant them immunity already?!?!

Further, how long until a Biden auto pen grant of immunity is "magically" found that protects ANY & ALL of those treasonous *******s?!?!

If the Dems didn't secure immunity guarantees beforehand from Biden while he was POTUS, that would be a monumental f-up on par with Trump not making duplicate copies of the Epstein files (& Crossfire Hurricane related docs) while HE was POTUS!!!

Grand jury materials are secret with very limited exceptions. Further, the federal judge in Maxwell's trial sealed a lot of the evidence used there.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Your logic would bench Greg Maddux because he lost a game.

Life must be hard for some of you folks...

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I'm doing just fine personally, thank you. I'm simply pointing out the political reality that comes with flubbing campaign promises. Again, it's not personal.

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Shut up with the questions.

The DOJ just blatantly lied to protect our Idiot in Chief yet again from being named a close friend (hopefully no more than that or this Country is about to blow up) of the most notorious Pedophile in history.

They've done so much lying now about this topic the public isn't going to rest until every single file is released and anyone that is guilty is buried under the jail. I hope the Government knows that at this point.

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So which specific files should be released?

The ones that includes innocent names of associates?

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Yes. At this point they have no choice. They've burned the bridge behind them. They're screwed now.

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How did they burn a bridge? By associating with someone 20 years ago?

What about innocent people that worked for Epstein in minor roles 20 years ago? Anyone who did any business with him that had nothing to do with his sexual activities?

So you are saying that if I did some work for someone 20 years ago -- like designing his home or brokering a sale or handling stock purchase -- and he later turned out to be a pedophile, my name should be released to the pubic?

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Here's what you're not understanding, the people are now out for blood and nothing is going to stop it. DOJ, Bondi, and Trump fubar'd this beyond belief.

Release everything. The FBI has all the information in the world and they know the difference between someone who once brokered a deal and was a friend and someone who was a VERY close friend. Our President seems to be in the latter category. Does that mean he's guilty of pedophilia? Of course not.

But they've screwed this up so badly that it doesn't matter. The way Trump came out kicking and screaming at his voters saying if you still care about this then don't vote for me tells you everything you needed to know about where this was going to end up. The well has already been poisoned with a lot of his supporters, it's over.

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I understand 100%. I also don't trust the FBI.

I'm still trying to understand why it's OK for innocent names to be released after a criminal investigation is complete.

I had some very close friends 20 years ago that I don't see any longer. One of them went to prison earlier this year. Should my name be released if he went to prison for a sexual crime?

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Did your friend's sex crimes take place when you were friends and paling around with each other?

Jeffrey Epstein was accused of sex trafficking and abusing underage girls in his homes in Manhattan, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida between 2002 and 2005.

Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein reportedly ended in 2004 following a dispute over a Palm Beach mansion.

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My friend wasn't convicted of a sex crime. But I do know people that have been convicted of sex crimes. I see all sorts in the recovery community.

Innocent names should not be released after a criminal investigation is complete. IMO.

Becoming circular. We'll see what happens. I still don't think there's any way serious dirt on Trump has been kept quiet for so long.

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The fact that NO ONE at the federal level has even bothered to interrogate Maxwell ought to prove to you how shallow any sort of "investigation" of this whole sordid affair has been.

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INSANITY. And we have Trump bootlickers just playing Devils advocate

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Who are the bootlickers?

I actually care very little about Trump with regards to this. He didn't do anything seriously wrong or it would have leaked years ago. But no doubt the only reason this is an issue is because people are hoping to get more dirt on Trump. IMO.

I just don't think innocent names should be released after a criminal investigation is complete. I'm unsure why that opinion is so controversial.

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I don't believe it would've been leaked. I think A) a lot in this cult wouldn't believe it. He already teed up the files have been altered and many on this board ate it right up. B) It probably takes shots at both sides. 1 side is doing everything they can to distract and distance. The other side now wants to blow it all open. Run on conspiracy die by conspiracy.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

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Maybe not on this board I know 6 of my closest friends who voted for him are really pissed off and I think it will impact their thought process during the midterms

And the podcast bros are flipping on Trump which will have a real impact on the sub 30 crowd

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Grand jury materials are secret with very limited exceptions. Further, the federal judge in Maxwell's trial sealed a lot of the evidence used there.

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So in your opinion, what "files" can actually be released to the public?

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Stonewalling? Like asking for more materials to be released? Interviewing Ghislaine? That sort of stonewalling?

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I caught a clip on CNN where they were complaining because the Trump DOJ is trying to "get more information. Haven't they already done that"?

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

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Maybe not on this board I know 6 of my closest friends who voted for him are really pissed off and I think it will impact their thought process during the midterms

And the podcast bros are flipping on Trump which will have a real impact on the sub 30 crowd

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So they will vote for a Democrat and their policies because of this? Really?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3550481

Saw this thread which is locked so I thought I'd chime in with a response here. If the list comes out and he was confirmed to have visited the island, he would lose all of my respect & support. I believe the same for the majority of his base.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

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Maybe not on this board I know 6 of my closest friends who voted for him are really pissed off and I think it will impact their thought process during the midterms

And the podcast bros are flipping on Trump which will have a real impact on the sub 30 crowd

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So they will vote for a Democrat and their policies because of this? Really?

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I THINK 2 of the 6 will. I think 1 will still vote GOP and the other 3 will consider not voting.

for the thousandth time; if Trump did anything unseemly or illegal, we would all be painfully aware of it by now.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

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Maybe not on this board I know 6 of my closest friends who voted for him are really pissed off and I think it will impact their thought process during the midterms

And the podcast bros are flipping on Trump which will have a real impact on the sub 30 crowd

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So they will vote for a Democrat and their policies because of this? Really?

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No shot, and if so then they are idiots. We already know that he flew on his plane a couple of times between NY and FL a long time ago. We also know that once he found out that he was a pedo and weirdo that Trump banned him from Mar-a-lago and Epstein was arrested in 2019 while he was President. I have high confidence that Trump was never part of the pedo ring. As it has been said thousands of times, if he were, then that info would have gotten out a long long time ago.

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?

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Guess.

I was simply saying that Trump is doing a good job. He is doing the things I was hoping for when I voted for him.

No one voted for Trump over Harris because of anything related to the Epstein case.

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Incorrect. For a decade- Trump has been talking about ending corruption, "draining the swamp", being transparent, and "locking her up". That's what alot of voters expected. This Epstein coverup is the exact opposite of all those things.

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Incorrect is your opinion. Just like I have my opinion.

Agree to disagree. I think most Trump voters think he is doing a good job. I think very few people care about this topic. It matters very little in their day to day lives.

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Maybe not on this board I know 6 of my closest friends who voted for him are really pissed off and I think it will impact their thought process during the midterms

And the podcast bros are flipping on Trump which will have a real impact on the sub 30 crowd

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So they will vote for a Democrat and their policies because of this? Really?

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I THINK 2 of the 6 will. I think 1 will still vote GOP and the other 3 will consider not voting.

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Do they even know yet who is running?