shiftyandquick?Ellis Wyatt said:
What's his username?
John Hagler bleeding all over the place about A&M
12,320 Views |
203 Replies |
Last: 38 min ago by Buck Turgidson
Ag98and03 said:
Antisemitism in Europe literally flung America's science and math programs forward in immeasurable ways. We jumped straight to the forefront of science, medicine, math, technology. Nobel winners, Fields medals. National Science Foundation, NASA, and Manhattan project literally came from the wealth of talent that we received.
You guys have no idea how fundamentally the US can and will change by driving talent away.
Go learn some history.
Having a debate over a few items in course curriculum regardless of what side of the debate you're on is nowhere close to what the Nazis did in Germany and the fact that you would jump to such an extreme comparison tells me you're the one who needs to learn some history. That's not even getting into the censorship and strong arming that happened in the Soviet Union or Communist China.
The other elephant in the room is that the same spirit behind the antisemitism of the 1930's exists to some degree in academic environments across the U.S, just look at the 'Free Palestine' protests across numerous campuses and other radical movements that are allowed to present their views - many of which aren't friendly or pro-American.
To pretend like the only "extreme" view looking to eliminate certain groups or views from the conversation exists just when MAGA does something is completely ignorant to the social environment we've seen in our country for quite some time...long before Trump ever ran for President.
This power struggle and tug of war on who sets the narrative didn't start with the recent political actions.
Oh noes - we are going to fall in the prestigious university rankings. Bet our graduates, who have an increasing affinity for their alma mater in comparison to their peers, graduating into useful STEM and civil service jobs are going to be hurt immensely by the ranking impact.
Gigem314 said:Ag98and03 said:
Antisemitism in Europe literally flung America's science and math programs forward in immeasurable ways. We jumped straight to the forefront of science, medicine, math, technology. Nobel winners, Fields medals. National Science Foundation, NASA, and Manhattan project literally came from the wealth of talent that we received.
You guys have no idea how fundamentally the US can and will change by driving talent away.
Go learn some history.
Having a debate over a few items in course curriculum regardless of what side of the debate you're on is nowhere close to what the Nazis did in Germany and the fact that you would jump to such an extreme comparison tells me you're the one who needs to learn some history. That's not even getting into the censorship and strong arming that happened in the Soviet Union or Communist China.
The other elephant in the room is that the same spirit behind the antisemitism of the 1930's exists to some degree in academic environments across the U.S, just look at the 'Free Palestine' protests across numerous campuses and other radical movements that are allowed to present their views - many of which aren't friendly or pro-American.
To pretend like the only "extreme" view looking to eliminate certain groups or views from the conversation exists just when MAGA does something is completely ignorant to the social environment we've seen in our country for quite some time...long before Trump ever ran for President.
This power struggle and tug of war on who sets the narrative didn't start with the recent political actions.
Echoing this, look at how many leftist universities treat conservative speakers. Shouting them down, cancelling their bookings, refusing to let them have a platform at their school. Yeah, left thinking people are so tolerant and open and inviting to other ideas and viewpoints. those universities are just bastions of "elite thinking" and inclusion. LOL.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
Welcome to 1876.
We still talking about the degrees that we're getting rid of because no one wants them? Or is there something new I've missed?
4stringAg said:
Echoing this, look at how many leftist universities treat conservative speakers. Shouting them down, cancelling their bookings, refusing to let them have a platform at their school. Yeah, left thinking people are so tolerant and open and inviting to other ideas and viewpoints. those universities are just bastions of "elite thinking" and inclusion. LOL.
They want to be ones who set all the rules and have no push-back. And while it's unfair to label most university faculty this way, this power mindset most definitely exists and did long before the current debate at places like A&M came along.
Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Abbott - better than the alternative but I think he does things for show. I'd prefer he not dictate what goes on A&M. At the same time, letting faculty dictate what goes on at the university on their rules isn't something I think is healthy either - even though it's the more acceptable method of business as usual that doesn't rock the boat.
But here we are. It's a far more complicated issue than many are making it out to be.
I'm just tired of the (ironically) uneducated responses comparing this to Hitler and the Nazis. I would image the Aggies (most of whom have passed on) who actually went over to fight the real Nazis would find such talk completely ridiculous and beneath the dignity of our institution - whether they agreed or disagreed with the decisions going on with current university policy.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
You liberals and TDS sufferers use MAGA as if it is a bad thing. Don't you want to make America great again? Or do you hope it never becomes so?
The clock needs to be rolled back. The direction A&M has been heading is not the proper direction. There are plenty of universities up and down the west coast and east coast for the woke idiots to attend.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
Embarrassing take.
Worst case scenario: Texas A&M becomes one of one public universities that isn't perpetuating far left wing ideology.
Tell me what's wrong with that? We are actually creating diversity in academia by zigging when everyone else is zagging. If you don't want to go to one of the only higher learning institutions that is teaching practical education, then you have literally hundreds to thousands of other options where you can pursue far left wing ideology.
So, bring on rolling back the clock to a time where education actually mattered.
Never ever say leftists don't have a voice on this forum. One semi trolling nonsense post completely took over the framing / direction of this thread. Humble suggestion, make more use of the ignore feature.
shiftyandquick said:
Ban foreign faculty and staff. Ban foreign students. Ban any leftist ideology from being taught.
Profit.
This is the formula. I think it will be a good case study, a good experiment. Please be my guest and make it happen. It will be instructive for everyone else in the country.
Lighten up Francis. A&M will be just fine. This return to normalcy is long overdue. America needs at least one somewhat traditional, common sense public university.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
TAMU is rolling the clock back to when it's teachers and students all understand what a man is and what a woman is?
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
What an idiotic statement. The university has moved so far left. It's really embarrassing. We get it, you have TDS and you can't stop yourself from showing it.
Good grief, man.
“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
Ag98and03 said:
"While we are on the topic of learning history, a substantial amount of science, math, medicine, technology, and NASA cam *after* WW2, and it was the ones who were subject to antisemitism."
I can't tell if you are trying to agree with me or not.
Yes, much of it came after WW2. Because of the talent that was driven away in the 1930s, 1940s. That is the point shifty is making. What happens NOW isn't really seen until years later.
Look at it. The names of the talent we scooped up is a who's who. People that rewrote science and technology for a century.
You guys may not care about liberal studies, but for every literature professor who is stifled, there are many more in medicine, engineering, science that see this and quietly make the decision to live and work elsewhere.
Cool. First of all, these aren't liberal studies in the classic sense. It's all pseudo science, far left wing ideology courses in social justice and activism. Your analogy is an apples to space ships comparison in that regard.
We are actually trying to pivot the focus of A&M to one you are fretting about which is producing the next great thinker and doers in medicine, engineering, and science without the lies and junk science of far left ideology.
Do you understand that?
shiftyandquick said:
Ban foreign faculty and staff. Ban foreign students. Ban any leftist ideology from being taught.
Profit.
This is the formula. I think it will be a good case study, a good experiment. Please be my guest and make it happen. It will be instructive for everyone else in the country.
Can you show me the math that explains how banning 8,000 international students would result in profit?
Eh, this will all be moot, once we give the stolen campus back to Tonkawa.
Ag98and03 said:shiftyandquick said:
You guys will find out the consequences over time for washing the university in MAGA ideology.
It will become a very, very different university over time. Rolling back the clock.
Shifty is dead right.
Elite talent will go elsewhere. This will be a brain drain on A&M.
Put down the MAGA tribalism and take a real hard look at how the US (and other countries) benefitted from the academic flight from Europe due to Hitler.
Antisemitism in Europe literally flung America's science and math programs forward in immeasurable ways. We jumped straight to the forefront of science, medicine, math, technology. Nobel winners, Fields medals. National Science Foundation, NASA, and Manhattan project literally came from the wealth of talent that we received.
You guys have no idea how fundamentally the US can and will change by driving talent away.
Go learn some history.
No one is promoting antisemitism except for the Democrats.
Also, NASA was built on the back of the very intelligent including Nazis.
KCup17 said:
Can you show me the math that explains how banning 8,000 international students would result in profit?
Because a school heavily dependent & subsidized by public funding would be focused on the education of its taxpayer base?
I'm guessing for that poster.
Houston Lee said:
The way that ShiftyandQuick thinks is just baffling. I read Its posts and just shake my head.
An avowed Reagan republican. LOL.
Ag98and03 said:
"While we are on the topic of learning history, a substantial amount of science, math, medicine, technology, and NASA cam *after* WW2, and it was the ones who were subject to antisemitism."
I can't tell if you are trying to agree with me or not.
Yes, much of it came after WW2. Because of the talent that was driven away in the 1930s, 1940s. That is the point shifty is making. What happens NOW isn't really seen until years later.
Look at it. The names of the talent we scooped up is a who's who. People that rewrote science and technology for a century.
You guys may not care about liberal studies, but for every literature professor who is stifled, there are many more in medicine, engineering, science that see this and quietly make the decision to live and work elsewhere.
Gutting the demonic liberals from the sociology department would be a good start.
bobbranco said:Houston Lee said:
The way that ShiftyandQuick thinks is just baffling. I read Its posts and just shake my head.
An avowed Reagan republican. LOL.
Is shifty stephenvilleag? I can't keep up anymore.
shiftyandquick said:redcrayon said:
What is "MAGA ideology?"
It's the kind of ideology that says "Epstein is a hoax, there is no list, and Plato needs to be banned from our universities."
It isn't Plato that needs to be banned.
I guess? But International students are roughly 10% of admissions at A&M. My counter would be that we already cater to the taxpayer base. In addition, out of state tuition is $40k so we cut 8,000 student to replace them with instate tuition at roughly $15k. So unless the subsidization covers the difference, the math ain't mathing.
F MAGA mentality. what is that - protection for pedos, grift off the government, create crapcoins and blow up the deficit?
How about just STEM first and foremost.
-
business, finance, etc.
-
-
-
-
Classics - English, History, Foreign language, Philosophy (careful here), Religion, and other ancillary arts to educate a well-rounded gentleman and gentlelady.
How about just STEM first and foremost.
-
business, finance, etc.
-
-
-
-
Classics - English, History, Foreign language, Philosophy (careful here), Religion, and other ancillary arts to educate a well-rounded gentleman and gentlelady.
KCup17 said:
I guess? But International students are roughly 10% of admissions at A&M. My counter would be that we already cater to the taxpayer base. In addition, out of state tuition is $40k so we cut 8,000 student to replace them with instate tuition at roughly $15k. So unless the subsidization covers the difference, the math ain't mathing.
Who is footing the difference? Is it all grants and public aid or is it scholarships? We barely give scholarships to in-state kids. Imagine if we were paying for in-state kids to get educated and then pumping the difference back into the university.
If we are talking about TAs and research folks, I suppose it's all good... because more cash for A&M which seems to be the only goal our university operates under with any consistency.
bobbranco said:Windy City Ag said:Quote:
how old is Hagler nowadays?
He is Class of 1958 so he could be close to 90 years old..
And funds Mother Jones.
For real? If so eff that guy.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
Literally every statement in this post is wrong. That's impressive.
GeorgiAg said:bobbranco said:Windy City Ag said:Quote:
how old is Hagler nowadays?
He is Class of 1958 so he could be close to 90 years old..
And funds Mother Jones.
For real? If so eff that guy.
Jon L Hagler Foundation | Dover, MA | Cause IQ
What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
How are you defining world class?
GeorgiAg said:bobbranco said:Windy City Ag said:Quote:
how old is Hagler nowadays?
He is Class of 1958 so he could be close to 90 years old..
And funds Mother Jones.
For real? If so eff that guy.
https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/jon-l-hagler-foundation,222600563/
https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/mother-jones,942282759/
Agreed. The argument he made was it was more profitable to ban all international student. Which is where my question came from. Would like to see how that math works out
tk111 said:shiftyandquick said:
A&M is on the forefront of being a university that it tailoring itself around MAGA ideology.
There is going to be a price to pay for that reputation.
"You can't teach from this book because it is too woke" is a kind of censorship.
A&M is now rolling the clock back to the time where it wasn't aiming to be world-class. And there will be consequences for that.
This is just pure comedy at this point. Just radically-off-the-charts bubble-life ignorance.
I don't think A&M is becoming MAGA but interference by politicians looking for clicks (left or right) is a very, very bad idea. There are internal and external processes for course and curriculum review. Texas A&M has these guardrails in place.
Having said that Alan Sams as Provost appropriately led an *internal* review of all syllabi this winter, which overall was successful. I still have trouble with knuckleheads using AI screening for "woke" stuff. Like, why Christopher Robin wore a dress...why Plato hated politicians of all stripes.
The party who supports campus speech codes calls it censorship when there's pushback on curriculum of fetishized nonsense about sex and gender.
Do they hear themselves?
Do they hear themselves?
bobbranco said:Windy City Ag said:Quote:
how old is Hagler nowadays?
He is Class of 1958 so he could be close to 90 years old..
And funds Mother Jones.
Really? End of thread.
KCup17 said:
Agreed. The argument he made was it was more profitable to ban all international student. Which is where my question came from. Would like to see how that math works out
Cut some requisite spending (which we seem to be doing on some level by cutting out fake courses) and replace those 8k international students with 8k Texas kids who are currently going out of state. You can easily offset the loss balance on those international students, if you wanted to.
That's a win-win for us. And WGAS if we do lose a little profit on those 8k students. The school is already pushing 80k enrollment which is astronomical. A&M is a freaking research and money engine with or without those 8k.
Featured Stories
See All
Garrett named NFL's Defensive Player of the Year for second time
by Richard Zane
First-round Aggies could come in a three-pack at 2026 NFL Draft
by Olin Buchanan
Three Things: Recruitment stories of NFL stars, 2027 talk & more
by Jason Howell
UrbanDecay
Greg Sankey says Bediako should not be eligible to play
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
34
DannyDuberstein
Greg Sankey says Bediako should not be eligible to play
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
16
agswin1988
Greg Sankey says Bediako should not be eligible to play
in Billy Liucci's TexAgs Premium
16