who said it was current?

sure, it WAS registered.

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My point was either pay the $150 fine or claim constitutional infringement. Even I'm not that hardheaded.

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You've posted numerous times on this thread how Americans are willing to just give up their rights so easily. I mean, you've really made a stand on this thread about your rights and not willing to just lay them down. And yet now you freely admit your rights have a price. Good grief. If you're so worried about the government infirnging on your rights, take a friggin stand. But don't post over and over about it and then admit its not worth your time or $150 to fight it.

This thread is a BEATDOWN!

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That's why I asked.

Why do you keep reading, or posting on this thread, if it's such a beatdown? Seriously, you know this is optional, right?

Rock Island, guess I struck a nerve ...

My problem is not the fine for not renewing the registration.

It's the way its done with a random license plate search.

Now do I expect anyone to go down in a flaming William Wallace ball of glory if they get the no registration ticket?? No. There are different ways to deal with different situations.

The issue was and is whether it is a good practice. I say no. If enough people think no, then the law can get changed.

Sometimes getting from Point A to Point B is a long process. We didn't suddenly get a bill for 60% of our income. It was gradual and from many differnet sources whether it's income tax, car registrations or fees on your cell phone.

The small encroachments on our freedom works the same way. They nibble and nibble until Point B is very far away from Point A.

So again, my beef wasn't what you are willing to do in the name of civil disobedience, but whether the practice is good/bad.

And I think it's safe to say that nobody is going to have their mind changed from this thread ...

RR, where was this in ... June, when we needed some traffic??

That's not what he, nor I asked about regarding this statement...

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I think it continues because people give in and pay the $150 rather than try to make a constitutional case out of it.

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You basically admonish those who aren't willing to fight for what you perceive as a constitutional right. But you are not willing to fight for it either.

Fine, my last point was I didn't expect anyone to go to jail over this issue.

I'm not sure what should be done.

Crap ... I didn't even know about this practice until this thread.

I think the first step, though, is thinking it isn't right. Looks like there is a ways to go there.

When I think of how many times a cop has seen me stop my truck at a stop sign it makes me angry. It is a total infringement upon my rights. I feel I have a right to privacy when driving my truck in a public place. How dare some ahole cop even look in my direction. That is an obvious violation of my 17th amendment right!

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False premise. Your and my rights are not enumerated in the Constitution.

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I didn't say it was, I said it was not a protected right on a federal level, therefore was left in the hands of the state. Read and quote the whole thing or ignore it.


Whoever wanted to know how they see all the "other information" on a 10-28 let me define EXACTLY what is on it.

10-28 is a call for a registration check. When a Texas return comes in it provides 4 messages:

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Registration valid through date
Registered owner
address of registered owner
Vin number(which is another legal way to validate a vehicles reg. if LP is missing)

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TCIC/NCIC wanted/stolen(which is the national and texas stolen database)

#4 is FRVP- which is financial responsibility(insurance confirmation), which simply comes back as confirmed or unconfirmed. Unconfirmed means we couldn't verify it digitally.

That's it, period. We can get more, but you gotta request it specifically, and much more than that and your DL return requires a specific request.

you tell 'em Stansfield!

Don't worry gentlemen, your right to freedom left this country long long ago.

Rebel....be sure and stop at the toll booth on toll roads and throw your change in the hopper.....you sure don't want that nasty old camera reading your plate and sending you a bill. That might be where you want to make your stand....protect your last freedom.

I can't believe some people are so arrogant as to believe that their name and address are even worth misusing.

Don't forget to stay away from any border area as well... I suspect that the camera/light/IR/flux capacitor array as you approach the Border Patrol checkpoint is either reading LPs or trying to sterilize the border dwelling population via radiation.


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Wow......and I forgot about those Red Light Camera money generators.....I bet they hone in on the same data source.

There is a difference between intentionally driving through an EZ tag lane on a toll road, and having a random 10-28 done.

One can be avoided.

Both can be avoided.

if you can avoid driving and love the outdoors, I'm jealous of your life. Sometimes I wish I didn't know what a grocery store was either.

TexasRebel, Ever use a debit or credit card? Ever use one at the grocery store and then have coupons spit out of the machine based on what products you purchased??

Ever use a dvr to record a program??

Ever enter an e-mail address to access a website, like say Texags??

Ever had a student ID??

Ever plan on purchasing a home??

Ever bought car insurance??

Each of these things potentially exposes much more of your "private" information to far less trustworthy sources than having a police officer run your plates.

BTW, Ted Kaczinski called and said even he thinks you are taking this erosion of freedom thing a bit far.

I know I said I was done with this thread, but...

TexasRebel - If you feel as strongly about it as you want us to think you do then take the license plates off of your vehicle. Show the government what you think about their "invasion of privacy".

Ever use a debit or credit card?

of course.

Ever use one at the grocery store and then have coupons spit out of the machine based on what products you purchased??

nope

Ever use a dvr to record a program??

Aggie Baseball & Football games... but it is common knowledge that I like those. TiVo can be my guest.

Ever enter an e-mail address to access a website, like say Texags??

aggienetwork.com address FTW... plus this gives away no information.

Ever had a student ID??

This also gives away no information

Ever plan on purchasing a home??

not directly

Ever bought car insurance??

not directly


How's Ted doing? He had a great outlook, but a pretty bad way of communicating it. ...having a brother like he does was pretty unfortunate.

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I also don't know how many illegal searches police have done of my property, but since they apparently didn't find anything I guess that's okay. Thanks for the tip.

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Cute. Thanks for the one liner.

That in no way is the same as running a plate and you know it. Your plates are not private property. You are required to have them for a reason, and the reason is not to improve the asthetics of your vehicle. You act like police doing routine checks of vehicles (as they are required to do in a lot of places) are some type of quasi-SS. America is a free country. However, a vigilant police force is not an infringement of your rights. What would you ahve them do? Stick their collective head in the sand and wait for something bad to happen?

Gil '91

Hoss, I've never argued that having plates is an invasion of privacy, but still it's the lesser of two evils.

No plates = Russian roulette with a semi-auto.

I don't mind paying the registration... until it starts funding things like the TTC, that is. Texas has some of the best state highways in the country... and my favorite hobby being driving, I'm happy about that. I use much more than my fair share of that registration.

My argument is against how the laws are enforced. There is no reason to stop a vehicle with expired plates unless those plates don't match the vehicle they are on. I'm not against random 10-28's. I'm against using a random 10-28 to initiate a stop if nothing more than the registration is out of date. Send a fine to the owner because they are allowing an unregistered vehicle to be operated on public roads. It would be a much more effective method that fining the driver.

It just so happens that the registered owner (if not the driver) will pass that fine on to the driver in most cases.

(I feel like I've typed this before)

But that brings us to the point of registration. Is it to create criminals? Or is it to be able to identify vehicles? Or is it to help fund the highway system?

heck, why not just disable the ignition on unregistered vehicles via system similar to OnStar?

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Stick their collective head in the sand and wait for something bad to happen?

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yep. Something bad, or a specific request by a citizen.

What I get from this thread is that many want to go back to the old days with registration tags that you stick on the license plate.

Get that passed and I'll wait for the threads complaining about your license plate being stolen.

EMY, how in the world did you come to that conclusion?

Back in the old days, a cop could tell if your registration was current by a quick glance at your license plate. Now, they run the tag.

If we go back to the old days where the cops didn't have to run the tag to get the info, we'll also go back to the old days where plates were frequently stolen or registration stickers were removed from the plate. As others have posted, we used to use a razor to slice up the tag to make it difficult to peel the sticker off of the plate. I'd also Loctite the bolts making the plate hard to take off.

Many seem to think it is alright for cops to look at the vehicle to determine if the registration is current, but are against the use to technology, therefore they must want to go back to the old tags where the computer system would not be needed.

....just like a boat trailer, horse trailer, utility trailer etc......although those freedom stealers can still use the new technology.....

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Back in the old days, a cop could tell if your registration was current by a quick glance at your license plate.

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Back in the REAL OLD days we got new plates every year!

I regularly see cops bite the heads off baby kittens while running license plates!

Why not use RFID on random corners?

Why not send out a radio signal if your seatbelt is unbuckled?

Why not have speed monitoring inside the vehicle?

How many of you were pro-red light cameras?

I'm anti red light cameras, because they where not criminal citations and could not be brought to a jury trial. They also create traffic hazards(I work with officers who don't like them for that reason).

Random RFID and seatbelt transmitters are interesting concepts.....you STILL have to have an officer there, and observing it, in order to do anything about them. They STILL wouldn't be giving information out an officer couldn't obtain in another manner.

Personally I think you're being paranoid , and attempting to spew rhetoric about the big bad cops. Please note I voted a nearly straight "L" ticket(exception being a local race I voted R in and another I voted "D" in because the republican candidate is a thief(literally)) and consider myself as stubborn a political conservative as anyone on this board can claim to be.

I have to agree with the above poster: Why was it ok to have the numbers on the back of the plate and deal with people stealing it, instead of letting the cop run it(which gets you off MORE OFTEN, because an officer isn't ALWAYS fishing. Believe it or not, especially in a small town, most officers have there hands full keeping the peace and protecting the public, and don't run traffic unless you're being an idiot...)

**edited for slightly less...vitriolic language


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My argument is against how the laws are enforced. There is no reason to stop a vehicle with expired plates unless those plates don't match the vehicle they are on. I'm not against random 10-28's. I'm against using a random 10-28 to initiate a stop if nothing more than the registration is out of date.

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1. Driving without current registration is, like speeding, against the law. Assuming you're okay with someone being ticketed for breaking one law, I don't know why you'd be opposed to the other. And don't say it's simply due to the method by which the officer determined the law was being broken. There are multiple ways by which an officer can determine if you are speeding just like there are multiple ways by which an officer can determine if your registration is expired. Running your plate is one of those ways, and since you're not against random 10-28's then you should have no problems with this whatsoever.

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Send a fine to the owner because they are allowing an unregistered vehicle to be operated on public roads. It would be a much more effective method that fining the driver.

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2. You've said this a couple of times now, but 99 times out of 100 the person driving the car IS the owner. Most people aren't in the habit of loaning their cars out or driving someone else's car around. Yes, it happens, but I'd bet that percentage is VERY low. The exception to that might be people like me who drive company vehicles. Even so, I pretty much feel like it is MY responsibility to make sure the company vehicle assigned to me is registered, inspected and otherwise roadworthy. Sure, the company pays for taking care of those things, but if I get a ticket because my inspection or registration sticker is expired I don't expect my company to pay for it. Now, if we were talking about rental cars I might be inclined to agree with you because I feel like rental companies have a responsibility to make sure all of the cars are legal and roadworthy.

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but 99 times out of 100 the person driving the car IS the owner.

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exactly.

...and Hoss, you realize I'm anti-speeding ticket, too...right?