City Council will just not take NO for an answer on Convention Center

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Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


How much of that $126M was from UT sporting events?
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TXAGBQ76 said:

So far on this thread, I've read at two Bryan folks saying Nooooooo, keep out of this, I don't want to pay for it. Fine, so will these new venues check ids at the door and keep the Bryan folks out?

Then a bunch of folks saying not wanting to try and get B/CS and TAMU to work together to use existing facilities as a starting point to get things going, learn what we don't know to prevent yet more mistakes, see what else needs to be done before we write a huge check.

Then we have a few saying this is no way to lose proposition, so just shut up and get on the wild spending train. Toot, Toor!

If we've had done a ton of research and know for a fact there is no way this will fail and we will have conventions, car shows, fishing shows, live music every weekend, why is nobody talking private financing? Surely there has to be some investment organization lucking their chops over such a can't miss venture.


There would be a massive private sector component. They would invest. They would operate. Naming rights. They would likely build any associated hotel. But, private sector firms don't build these from scratch without institutional participation. Very rare anyway.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Interesting, so why hasn't that been discussed? What is the targeted scope of this project? What is the split of private vs taxpayer participation?
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TXAGBQ76 said:

Interesting, so why hasn't that been discussed? What is the targeted scope of this project? What is the split of private vs taxpayer participation?


Bob mentioned potentially partnering with CoB, County, A&M, and private partnership earlier in the thread over the last few days. Also that they are very early in the discussion and he didn't have details to share. It is also likely that those discussions are confidential and Bob, even if city council has been told the details, can't actually tell you much more without violating and NDA or some such.
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There are so many posts, I could easily have missed it, thanks for pointing it out. I absolutely agree it is early in the process, as well as the need for confidentiality, but I think a targeted ratio could be discussed- and frankly might put some of the naysayers a little more at ease. But that's just my thoughts.
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Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


The Athens place is what I had previously asked about a center that is both an event center and a concert venue. I may be wrong since I have never been there. This appears to be 2 different venues on the piece of land. The concert venue appears pretty busy including having a hockey team using it in season.

The only thing on the schedule when I click on convention center is football parking for Georgia Home games. Not one other listing for the entire fall.

https://www.classiccenter.com/events/venue/the-classic-center
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Boozer92 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


The Athens place is what I had previously asked about a center that is both an event center and a concert venue. I may be wrong since I have never been there. This appears to be 2 different venues on the piece of land. The concert venue appears pretty busy including having a hockey team using it in season.

The only thing on the schedule when I click on convention center is football parking for Georgia Home games. Not one other listing for the entire fall.

https://www.classiccenter.com/events/venue/the-classic-center


There's multiple buildings on the site. Most, not all, are interconnected. You may be looking at one building only schedule-wise. All my research and my phone call to their main number revealed a packed schedule.

Here's a link to the Akins arena:

https://www.classiccenter.com/414/Akins-Ford-Arena

In total, the Classic Center hosts 650 events per year with an average attendance of 561 people per event. 365,000 people annually. Full disclosure: the Ford Akins Center did experience significant delays and cost overruns. It's the newest addition. Despite this, now they are killing it. Leanne Morgan has a show there in a few weeks.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
My opinions are mine and should not be construed as those of city council or staff. I welcome robust debate but will cease communication on any thread in which colleagues or staff are personally criticized. I must refrain from comment on posted agenda items until after meetings are concluded. Bob Yancy 95
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Bob Yancy said:

Boozer92 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


The Athens place is what I had previously asked about a center that is both an event center and a concert venue. I may be wrong since I have never been there. This appears to be 2 different venues on the piece of land. The concert venue appears pretty busy including having a hockey team using it in season.

The only thing on the schedule when I click on convention center is football parking for Georgia Home games. Not one other listing for the entire fall.

https://www.classiccenter.com/events/venue/the-classic-center


There's multiple buildings on the site. Most, not all, are interconnected. You may be looking at one building only schedule-wise. All my research and my phone call to their main number revealed a packed schedule.

Here's a link to the Akins arena:

https://www.classiccenter.com/414/Akins-Ford-Arena

In total, the Classic Center hosts 650 events per year with an average attendance of 561 people per event. 365,000 people annually. Full disclosure: the Ford Akins Center did experience significant delays and cost overruns. It's the newest addition. Despite this, now they are killing it. Leanne Morgan has a show there in a few weeks.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


How much would a project like that cost? Can it be built in Hensel park? It would be the perfect spot for it.
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Bob Yancy said:

Boozer92 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


The Athens place is what I had previously asked about a center that is both an event center and a concert venue. I may be wrong since I have never been there. This appears to be 2 different venues on the piece of land. The concert venue appears pretty busy including having a hockey team using it in season.

The only thing on the schedule when I click on convention center is football parking for Georgia Home games. Not one other listing for the entire fall.

https://www.classiccenter.com/events/venue/the-classic-center


There's multiple buildings on the site. Most, not all, are interconnected. You may be looking at one building only schedule-wise. All my research and my phone call to their main number revealed a packed schedule.

Here's a link to the Akins arena:

https://www.classiccenter.com/414/Akins-Ford-Arena

In total, the Classic Center hosts 650 events per year with an average attendance of 561 people per event. 365,000 people annually. Full disclosure: the Ford Akins Center did experience significant delays and cost overruns. It's the newest addition. Despite this, now they are killing it. Leanne Morgan has a show there in a few weeks.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Thank you for the response. I can see much more of a draw for a concert venue/sports venue like the Ford Center than a convention center and much more benefit to the local population of having such.

Interesting that when I went to google maps I could see the convention centers already on the satellite view but the Ford Center was under construction. So I assumed it was new. Then I looked and saw the theatre and arena well booked and the convention center only booked for football parking.

Maybe the better project is to have a concert arena/theatre instead of the 100th convention center in the state. Convention centers compete against each other for a fixed number of conventions but a concert venue can add an additional stop on an already traveling show.

Those are 2 different projects.
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Richleau12 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Boozer92 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


The Athens place is what I had previously asked about a center that is both an event center and a concert venue. I may be wrong since I have never been there. This appears to be 2 different venues on the piece of land. The concert venue appears pretty busy including having a hockey team using it in season.

The only thing on the schedule when I click on convention center is football parking for Georgia Home games. Not one other listing for the entire fall.

https://www.classiccenter.com/events/venue/the-classic-center


There's multiple buildings on the site. Most, not all, are interconnected. You may be looking at one building only schedule-wise. All my research and my phone call to their main number revealed a packed schedule.

Here's a link to the Akins arena:

https://www.classiccenter.com/414/Akins-Ford-Arena

In total, the Classic Center hosts 650 events per year with an average attendance of 561 people per event. 365,000 people annually. Full disclosure: the Ford Akins Center did experience significant delays and cost overruns. It's the newest addition. Despite this, now they are killing it. Leanne Morgan has a show there in a few weeks.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


How much would a project like that cost? Can it be built in Hensel park? It would be the perfect spot for it.


Good questions. The study from Hunden indicated $375m with significant state funding opportunities whereby we could capture the state's sales tax in a surrounding area around it, plus other options. With each funding partner added, one partner's share of that expense goes down. As to Hensel Park, I can't speak to that. It's not city land.

Respectfully,

Yancy '95
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I had to look up who Leanne Morgan is. At first I thought you were referencing Lorrie Morgan, which would probably be as funny.
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maroon barchetta said:

I had to look up who Leanne Morgan is. At first I thought you were referencing Lorrie Morgan, which would probably be as funny.


She's one of the hottest acts in comedy in my generation. You must be a youngster, Barchetta. :-) The gals in my family drove 2.5 hours to see her last year.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/leanne-morgan-interview-sitcoms-netflix-1236332829/
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I'm probably older than you!

Also, I enjoy good comedians and have gone to see Seinfeld twice and Burr once and watched a number of Netflix specials

Literally heard of her for the first time in your earlier post. I had no idea it was a comedian you were referencing so thanks for "hipping" me to that, dude.
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maroon barchetta said:

I'm probably older than you!

Also, I enjoy good comedians and have gone to see Seinfeld twice and Burr once and watched a number of Netflix specials

Literally heard of her for the first time in your earlier post. I had no idea it was a comedian you were referencing so thanks for "hipping" me to that, dude.


Lol. No problem. Have a great week.

Respectfully

Bob
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All these old people on TexAgs. I knew who Leanne Morgan was, I'm more of a Sarah Millican fan, though.
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There are some members of other boards on this site that contend that none of the female comedians are remotely funny.

Look out if they find this page of this thread.
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ukbb2003 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


How much of that $126M was from UT sporting events?


Mr. Yancy, do you have an answer to this?
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I am guessing quite a bit since both mens and womens basketball play there.
maroon barchetta
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My guess is it's like the sip athletic department claiming all kinds of revenues from the Erwin Center when there were concerts and other things held there.
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maroon barchetta said:

My guess is it's like the sip athletic department claiming all kinds of revenues from the Erwin Center when there were concerts and other things held there.


Hey I don't mind if it's similar. Get the hell out of that dump Reed Arena.
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Richleau12 said:

maroon barchetta said:

My guess is it's like the sip athletic department claiming all kinds of revenues from the Erwin Center when there were concerts and other things held there.


Hey I don't mind if it's similar. Get the hell out of that dump Reed Arena.

Reed >>>>>>>>> Jolly Rollie
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Hornbeck said:

Richleau12 said:

maroon barchetta said:

My guess is it's like the sip athletic department claiming all kinds of revenues from the Erwin Center when there were concerts and other things held there.


Hey I don't mind if it's similar. Get the hell out of that dump Reed Arena.

Reed >>>>>>>>> Jolly Rollie


Rollie is wasted. Reed Arena has the atmosphere of a tomb. Reed is as bland as toast. Build this event center and move the Ags there. Ags have needed an upgrade from there for a decade.
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You think the Ags are gonna play basketball off campus? Hold graduations off campus?

That would be a big shift.

And Transportation would take a significant revenue hit.
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ukbb2003 said:

ukbb2003 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


How much of that $126M was from UT sporting events?


Mr. Yancy, do you have an answer to this?


I'm sorry I don't. The Moody's Center bills itself as an agnostic event venue. The new trend in this is to get away from being "the home of Longhorn Hoops" but rather to lead with all the other types of events. It's turning the old "convention center" approach on its ear to a "multi-event" center. And it's having massive success. Particularly by outsourcing event booking, promotion and management to an outside group in a performance-based contract. Even Jerry's World isn't just home of the Dallas Cowboys anymore. The ratio of non Cowboys games to Cowboy games in that facility is 20:1 or thereabouts.

These facilities are too expensive and valuable to be seen as purpose-built single event type venues. It's an all of the above strategy- even the National Cornhole Championship. I'm not kidding when I say on this platform it's music, comedy, performing arts, orchestra, boat shows, medical equipment, family Dino and Lego shows, conventions, exhibitions, symposiums and oh by the way, sports too.

Go to that Moody's link. You have to scroll to the bottom to finally get to Longhorn basketball.

This is the new model, and it's completely changing the game in such facilities, while rendering many previously constructed "purpose built" facilities somewhat obsolete.

It's happening all over the country.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but the largest gun show in Texas is in town. All of this talk about spending half a billion dollars to entice events seems
a little ridiculous.
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Diddler_44 said:

I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but the largest gun show in Texas is in town. All of this talk about spending half a billion dollars to entice events seems
a little ridiculous.


That was my first thought when I saw it on the marquee at legends. "CoCS is coming for your gun show, Bryan…"
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Hornbeck said:

Diddler_44 said:

I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but the largest gun show in Texas is in town. All of this talk about spending half a billion dollars to entice events seems
a little ridiculous.


That was my first thought when I saw it on the marquee at legends. "CoCS is coming for your gun show, Bryan…"


I have been bringing my gun show to BCS for years…
 
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