City Council will just not take NO for an answer on Convention Center

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Growth is fine, but why not use facilities already built that way under utilized like Kyle Field, Reed Arena, Brazos County Expo Center, Legends, etc.? Those are all ready and open for business. Work the kinks out of the plans using very low risk solutions, prove the viability of the theories, enforce running out and spending a ton of money on new facilities that may or may not work. Almost all- if not all of the potential activities you have listed numerous times could work well with facilities already built.

It just feels like we've done numerous boondoggles in the past, wasting a ton of tax payers money for someone's (or multiple someone's) legacy. To me, it would be a much bigger legacy for the Council to say "…look at what we've done here, we've improved the quality of life for our residents, we've increased revenues by x dollars, while not burdening the tax payers without a ton of new debt…". Maybe then, the taxpayers could see for themselves real financial results, recognize real financial responsibility, etc.- and see a need to support spending money to add to an already successful plan. You could put whatever revenue profits earned into the bank to pay for any new building needed down the road.

Just my opinion.
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I'm not trying to be a simpleton and downplay the weight of these major projects. Nor do I believe that tax payer money should be wasted on doomed projects. However, leadership especially in a municipality is a revolving door. Several of my classes at the Bush School talk about this and how it effects the organization.

However, elected officials are replaced and elections happen every 2 years. I think there's a way to say "this is could be a good idea, but we don't have faith in current leadership" which is what some have said, but I've perceived that trust has been broken and some may never trust the city to be apart of partnerships of major projects and I think that's just a hard place to be in when thinking about the long term future.
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And the onus is on the unelected officials. Need recourse in that area.
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Duffel Pud said:

Richleau12 said:

Here, here. I'm down for hearing more. I would like different leadership at the top. I think we all do, including Bob.


Single. Member. Districts.


CSAN would lose their grip on power then. (Clutches pearls)
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hopeandrealchange said:



It is my opinion that speculative investments should be left to the private sector. City staff has no skin in the game when it fails more often than not.


Not only no skin in the game, but also no consequences for multimillion dollar mistakes and the city council apparently afraid to hold city manager accountable
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This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.

WPC is another story altogether. The city should maintain the facilities like any other park/public space and should be a willing proponent of events there. The city should not however put on free concerts that compete with the private sector.
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Good for you, you are welcome to your opinion
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Indeed, as are you. I agree you are on the right track with using A&M facilities, but it's easier said than done. They would've repeated the summer events this year if it was so automatic.

My largest contention is that an MSA of this size should have a convention center. It's time to graduate from being only driven by A&M and being po-dunk, and in the absence of other large industries, its especially evident.
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A&M does what's good for them. CoB does what's good for them.

Making a multi-million dollar boondoggle that has many years of maintenance and upkeep just so we can have gun shows, small concerts, off brand wrestling, and the occasional comic book convention along with the Texas insurance actuary conference once every five years is not worth the outlay, IMHO. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Coordinating with A&M is difficult. Coordinating with the county or CoB is difficult. Is it multi-million dollar difficult? Roll up your sleeves, and coordinate with others to give us a bell cow. Sitting back, throwing up your hands, and giving up, because "they don't play nice with me" sounds like something I heard from my daughter when she was young.

Either way - let the voters decide.
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"Provide tax breaks to businesses like Mario Andretti's indoor go kart racing, mini golf, etc. to encourage them to come."

Kind of like the vision was for the private investor that was going to purchase Macy's before the People's Republic of College Station stepped in (it).

HOT taxes I believe are being used appropriately when it comes to Santa's wonderland and other investments. They are very limited in what they can be spent on and it's money coming in from people who don't live here.

Texas A&M and the cities have never played nice. A&M will talk a good game to get incentives from the cities to build facilities. They say that they will share. A&M always gets the priority and the availabilities are limited for city use. Yet, this process has been repeated several times as well.

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Hornbeck said:

Duffel Pud said:

Richleau12 said:

Here, here. I'm down for hearing more. I would like different leadership at the top. I think we all do, including Bob.


Single. Member. Districts.


CSAN would lose their grip on power then. (Clutches pearls)

What is CSAN?
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harrierdoc said:

Hornbeck said:

Duffel Pud said:

Richleau12 said:

Here, here. I'm down for hearing more. I would like different leadership at the top. I think we all do, including Bob.


Single. Member. Districts.


CSAN would lose their grip on power then. (Clutches pearls)

What is CSAN?

The local PAC made up of elderly HOA board members that picks and chooses who runs for office.
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Independence H-D said:

"Provide tax breaks to businesses like Mario Andretti's indoor go kart racing, mini golf, etc. to encourage them to come."

Kind of like the vision was for the private investor that was going to purchase Macy's before the People's Republic of College Station stepped in (it).

HOT taxes I believe are being used appropriately when it comes to Santa's wonderland and other investments. They are very limited in what they can be spent on and it's money coming in from people who don't live here.

Texas A&M and the cities have never played nice. A&M will talk a good game to get incentives from the cities to build facilities. They say that they will share. A&M always gets the priority and the availabilities are limited for city use. Yet, this process has been repeated several times as well.





How many bands could be brought in to play at the new WPC for 600k? No, let's give it to the Uber successful Santa's Wonderland…
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Man, you need to STOP with that logic. This is the City of COLLEGE STATION we are talking about.

The same guys that overpaid by millions on several real estate deals that went sideways.
The same guys that bought a bunch of trees for the bypass and let them die because a Rec and Parks professor (on council) knows nothing about trees and how they grow.
The same guys that way overbuilt every building they have, and still cry poor.


...I could keep going, but you get the drift.
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Is that real? What does it stand for?
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harrierdoc said:

Is that real? What does it stand for?


All too real. College Station Association of Neighborhoods

https://www.csantx.org

You must not pay much attention to local politics.
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We moved out into the ETJ in 2019, but I do spend a lot of money in CS, and I work here as well.
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CSAN brought us hits like -

Nancy "but the *rate* is lower" Berry

John "I never saw a piece of land that should not be a park" Crompton

Speedbumps and a gate across Munson to keep out those pesky college kids using it as a north-south thoroughfare

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australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.
Pro College Station Convention Center
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techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.
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Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


So is the event center and the idea for WPC the same thing because the two you listed are indoor theater complexes. Look, you're going to build it so why are you even on here? Also, are you going to start using HOT money to bring big name acts that folks from Houston, Austin and Dallas will pay to come see? Will the determination of those acts fall under the purvuew of the College Station Tourism Committee?

The moody center seats 15k. Why not just pay money from HOT to use Reed Arena to generate revenue?
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Im glad Moody Center was mentioned. Reed Arena is a dump. Seems like a good opportunity to have a joint venture to replace Reed with a place like Moody.
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Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.

Those are 2 examples that really aren't comparing apples to apples.
One is a long way away in a state that has 1 or 2 large cities.
The other is in a very large metro area that has a lot to offer that our community doesn't

As has been stated previously, let's compare similar situations, of which I believe, Waco is very similar to BCS. What are their financials?

Are there other cities that would be similar to us?
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BCSWguru said:

Im glad Moody Center was mentioned. Reed Arena is a dump. Seems like a good opportunity to have a joint venture to replace Reed with a place like Moody.


I agree, here's another example: Smart Centre Financial at Sugarland. https://smartfinancialcentre.net/ Partner with someone. Sell the naming rights. Just bring high quality music, comedy, plays, musicals, etc. Do the thing. So if they do that, just have a private entity build out WPC for smaller events. The Ford Center in Colorado Springs, the Hollywood Bowl in LA, what do you want to compare it to? And for the love of Pete, use the 600k in HOT money in better ways to bring in acts or these sites are going to sit derelict.
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Richleau12 said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.


So is the event center and the idea for WPC the same thing because the two you listed are indoor theater complexes. Look, you're going to build it so why are you even on here? Also, are you going to start using HOT money to bring big name acts that folks from Houston, Austin and Dallas will pay to come see? Will the determination of those acts fall under the purvuew of the College Station Tourism Committee?

The moody center seats 15k. Why not just pay money from HOT to use Reed Arena to generate revenue?


Two different things. Not gonna do it "no matter what" as you intimate. I'm on here because I think it has potential for our community and I want quality feedback. Not feedback like "we can't do this because College Station city people can't handle it." I'm a College Station city people. At least right now. ;-) Until yall run me off.

I don't own Macy's or Chimney Hill or soil tests or Northgate or any of em. I like to fix things, and/or leave them better than I found it. And I'm good at it.

Simply seeking quality feedback, and pointing out to Barchetta and Hornbeck and others what these venues can do, when done right.

Fair? I hope so. Respectfully always.

Yancy '95

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harrierdoc said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.

Those are 2 examples that really aren't comparing apples to apples.
One is a long way away in a state that has 1 or 2 large cities.
The other is in a very large metro area that has a lot to offer that our community doesn't

As has been stated previously, let's compare similar situations, of which I believe, Waco is very similar to BCS. What are their financials?

Are there other cities that would be similar to us?


Waco Convention Center was underperforming at $17,000,000 in direct visitor spending, so the city fired itself and contracted with ASM Global for booking and management. That just happened. Early returns are it is doing better, but the jury is still out. Indirect economic impact (often funny money calculations I don't trust) are reportedly $30,000,000 per annum.

Waco is an old school center. Very old. But…it's a data point against it, no doubt. Must be objective. If it's gonna be like the Waco Convention Center I'm not interested. Not looking for bridge games and such.

Respectfully and transparently

Yancy '95
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Bob Yancy said:

harrierdoc said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.

Those are 2 examples that really aren't comparing apples to apples.
One is a long way away in a state that has 1 or 2 large cities.
The other is in a very large metro area that has a lot to offer that our community doesn't

As has been stated previously, let's compare similar situations, of which I believe, Waco is very similar to BCS. What are their financials?

Are there other cities that would be similar to us?


Waco Convention Center was underperforming at $17,000,000 in direct visitor spending, so the city fired itself and contracted with ASM Global for booking and management. That just happened. Early returns are it is doing better, but the jury is still out. Indirect economic impact (often funny money calculations I don't trust) are reportedly $30,000,000 per annum.

Waco is an old school center. Very old. But…it's a data point against it, no doubt. Must be objective. If it's gonna be like the Waco Convention Center I'm not interested. Not looking for bridge games and such.

Respectfully and transparently

Yancy '95


Hey man, like I've said, I'm all for bringing more stuff to do in College Station. This city can support it. I've been pushing for a concert space here for a long time. I always thought this was more of a convention space so that wasn't very interesting but if we can build out a concert space for music, theater, and comedy, I'm all for it. The problem with the comparison to Athens is outside of Atlanta, there really isn't another big city in Georgia in that area so if bands were to come to the state, they might as well hit up both cities and make it worth their while. Texas is an outlier as one can play at Houston, Dallas, Austin, or San Antonio and get their fill. It will take more than you think to draw folks to College Station. I'm still selfishly for it, but I would explore the pitfalls to booking in Waco first before comparing potential success here to the one in Athens.

Still though, I'm bored. I have ideas to increase tourism here, who do I talk to to get that HOT money? Jeremiah?
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I still say one of these would put us on the map...

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Duffel Pud said:

I still say one of these would put us on the map...



I see an earmark for the HOT funds going to Santa's Wonderland!
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Hey Bob,

I totally get that things like this make money in other places. But, we don't seem to be able to tie our own shoes and chew gum at the same time when it comes to making real estate purchases. We just don't. Unlike some posters claiming that the one named city our north does things so much better and hit balls out of the park, they seem to have missed the mark on their baseball team and if their event center is so great, why are these folks (looking at you, techno) wanting us in CS to foot the bill for a Convention Center? I don't know if its because we elect a bunch of academics to the council (I know, before your time) or what. You guys say you don't want to be like Austin, and impede growth, infrastructure, and housing, but you sure have a funny way of showing it. Just for the love of pete put it to a vote.
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Can someone explain the difference in this compared to a facility such as Legends?
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MyNameIsJeff said:

Can someone explain the difference in this compared to a facility such as Legends?


Legends is impressive. It's a purpose built multi-events center with a sports focus (not just, though) but as sizable as it is, it's not what we're talking about.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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Cherry picking examples that don't apply to College Station is just how this has gone. If he says it enough, maybe some people will believe it without doing any research. And if he can keep getting reassurance from a person that has a history of trumpeting every success or alleged success in Bryan, while mocking College Station, it will just encourage more posting of examples that aren't apples to apples.

As for "I like to fix things", fix Macy's. Then see how much more support you get for the convention/event center.

Also, the reference above to Smart Financial Center is not great. If some company already saw an opportunity here, wouldn't it be underway. And Smart doesn't get top tier acts. Those still happen in Houston or The Woodlands for the most part. Look at their schedule. It's not the same quality as Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion or Toyota Center or sometimes even Bayou Music Center.
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Richleau12 said:

Bob Yancy said:

harrierdoc said:

Bob Yancy said:

techno-ag said:

australopithecus robustus said:

This is an obvious pragmatic solution and a prevailing sentiment. The issue with it is that A&M does what's best for A&M, not the COCS. The 900 lb gorilla has so many moving parts to coordinate and does not have the same goals and incentives as the COCS or the private commerce that surrounds it. We can only wish they do more with their facilities. Meanwhile, there's a city around it that has to be managed.

A multi use convention center in any city promotes tourism, commerce, tax collection, brand identity, a sense of place and affiliated amenities that has been done and proven over and over. Writing's on the wall that we should do that and it's actually a rare advantage that multiple entities could come together to it, vs most cities having to go it alone. I'm 100% for it, provided it is located near College Station's city center and not somewhere goofy in the periphery.


So well put. I agree. It's time to get her done. Build a convention center.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_Center

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/12/23/moody-center-atx-austin-tx-venue-arena-ranks-billboard-list/77059566007/

In Austin. Grossed $126,400,000 in 2024.

https://www.classiccenter.com/

In Athens Ga. 1.5 hours from Atlanta. No airport. Booked 170 nights and days per year. Generates $60,000,000 a year in direct visitor spending to the local economy. Has been expanded repeatedly to keep up with event demand.

Those are 2 examples that really aren't comparing apples to apples.
One is a long way away in a state that has 1 or 2 large cities.
The other is in a very large metro area that has a lot to offer that our community doesn't

As has been stated previously, let's compare similar situations, of which I believe, Waco is very similar to BCS. What are their financials?

Are there other cities that would be similar to us?


Waco Convention Center was underperforming at $17,000,000 in direct visitor spending, so the city fired itself and contracted with ASM Global for booking and management. That just happened. Early returns are it is doing better, but the jury is still out. Indirect economic impact (often funny money calculations I don't trust) are reportedly $30,000,000 per annum.

Waco is an old school center. Very old. But…it's a data point against it, no doubt. Must be objective. If it's gonna be like the Waco Convention Center I'm not interested. Not looking for bridge games and such.

Respectfully and transparently

Yancy '95


Hey man, like I've said, I'm all for bringing more stuff to do in College Station. This city can support it. I've been pushing for a concert space here for a long time. I always thought this was more of a convention space so that wasn't very interesting but if we can build out a concert space for music, theater, and comedy, I'm all for it. The problem with the comparison to Athens is outside of Atlanta, there really isn't another big city in Georgia in that area so if bands were to come to the state, they might as well hit up both cities and make it worth their while. Texas is an outlier as one can play at Houston, Dallas, Austin, or San Antonio and get their fill. It will take more than you think to draw folks to College Station. I'm still selfishly for it, but I would explore the pitfalls to booking in Waco first before comparing potential success here to the one in Athens.

Still though, I'm bored. I have ideas to increase tourism here, who do I talk to to get that HOT money? Jeremiah?


Yes Jeremiah, or come speak at the new Tourism Committee meeting.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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So far on this thread, I've read at two Bryan folks saying Nooooooo, keep out of this, I don't want to pay for it. Fine, so will these new venues check ids at the door and keep the Bryan folks out?

Then a bunch of folks saying not wanting to try and get B/CS and TAMU to work together to use existing facilities as a starting point to get things going, learn what we don't know to prevent yet more mistakes, see what else needs to be done before we write a huge check.

Then we have a few saying this is no way to lose proposition, so just shut up and get on the wild spending train. Toot, Toor!

If we've had done a ton of research and know for a fact there is no way this will fail and we will have conventions, car shows, fishing shows, live music every weekend, why is nobody talking private financing? Surely there has to be some investment organization lucking their chops over such a can't miss venture.
 
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