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85AustinAg
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ccolley68 said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

ccolley68 said:

It means nothing when it's practice against air if they look amazing. Make every catch, crisp routes, etc in that scenario doesn't mean we will have an elite passing game. That should be the standard for passing drills against air, that they make the uncontested catches 97% of the time, and the routes look flawless.

When it's practice against air and the routes look sloppy, passes wobbly, and catches missed, that is concerning.

A slugger hitting bombs into the stand at batting practice every pitch doesn't mean he is going for the home run record this year. But if someone is supposed to be a power hitter but can't get it out of the park in BP, there should be major concern he's going to when the lights are on and pitches are live.


while i agree you can take some things from one individual practice drill on practice number 5 i am just not willing to go into panic mode cause i don't like what i see on a passing drill on practice number 5.

if they caught every ball on practice number 5 on one drill are they going to the natty?


That's my entire point. Take the good things with a grain of salt when it's practice and such. If the offense looks great in spring ball, doesn't mean the offense will be great when the season rolls around, we've seen this particular scenario so many times. BUT, if the offense can't move the ball in spring ball at all, that is much more alarming.

If they caught 100% of the passes thrown and all the passes were on the money, that should just be box checking type stuff that the offense is ready. Not good, or great, or elite, just ready. Heads are in the right place.

Conversely, bad throws and half-assed effort are much more of an issue that needs to be addressed and quickly.

Again, to my baseball analogy. Scout goes to watch a prospect hit. If he's supposed to be a power hitter, when the scout gets there and he's hitting bombs at BP, that's what he expected. That passes the initial smell test (like making the throw and catch in an uncontested passing drill), but still going to have the "we'll see how he does when the bullets are live" vibe. But if that scout goes to see that prospect and he's not even getting the layups out of the park, scout won't stay around long. Thats where that drill falls to me.

If this is all based upon someone playing HS football in the 60's, I think I'm fine with what we are doing and the coaches getting things right by our first game.
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Bogey1996 said:

I fully expect us to live and die with Reed this year. Hopefully it is for the best. I would not be surprised if Brady Hart takes over next year. Before he reclassified, he was a top 100 recruit.

Backup QB baby!
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The zoo should just skip this season.
JournoAG
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I have generally been annoyed by all the negativity on this board during the whole offseason, but ... those clips were concerning. The missed throws were one thing. The lack of energy and effort by the WRs is another.
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JournoAG said:

I have generally been annoyed by all the negativity on this board during the whole offseason, but ... those clips were concerning. The missed throws were one thing. The lack of energy and effort by the WRs is another.

I don't read much into these very narrow looks into practices. Heck, I read some practice notes talking about the gunners on punts. Now that got me excited! But I agree, if you're working on timing and routs, you would expect more precision, burst and effort than that. The only thing I can think might be a factor there is, if these are filmed early during practice this drill may be semi-warmup. Given the season ending non-contact injuries that occur, they may be going 3/4 in the early periods.
Classof25Battler
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These were warmup drills, according to Looch on the Premium board.
Class of 65
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Can we please get Jaylin Henderson back?
Captain Awesome
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50/50 balls against air is not good at any point in practice
vander54
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Classof25Battler said:

These were warmup drills, according to Looch on the Premium board.


Which means no one is trying 100% and really the videos are pointless.
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Moon Shadow
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Marcel Reed's (long) downfield pass after lsu scored their last TD is ignored!

Why that lsu defender didn't get flagged for "Un-Necessary Roughness" is typical for SEC refereeing !!!
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TecRecAg
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You think Saban was cool with guys not caring in warm up drills? GTFO
Aggie Dad 26
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Timberwolf said:

This board officially sucks to start the season. Place will be full of negativity

Unless we beat Notre Dame
And Florida
And Arkansas
And LSU
Bobaloo
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Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.
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TecRecAg said:

You think Saban was cool with guys not caring in warm up drills? GTFO


Warm ups are just that warm ups. Players aren't giving it 100% because they are warming up. You can take warm ups seriously and still not give 100% on a play.
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Bunk Moreland
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Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.
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A. G. Pennypacker said:

Hank the Grifter said:

Pichael Thompson said:

Hank the Grifter said:

Y'all are ridiculous.
Absolute hyperbole and just a desire to be miserable.



Or they're just describing what they watched on film....


Give me a break. IF you watched the film and still think the catastrophizing in the comments is warranted, you're either an idiot, can't think for yourself, just plain miserable, or all three. There were 2 bad passes total in a drill.


But what about the drops?

The drops are just us holding back the playbook. Think about it, all the film our opponents can get of us throwing the ball shows us (purposefully) dropping most of the passes. Then in a game they then don't bother to play defense against our receivers and our guys are wide open, no defenders nearby. Could be a touchdown, or, I suppose, we could drop the pass.
Aggie Dad 26
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Its almost comical reading some of this. I dont care how big of a fan you are... its ok to say, that looks bad.

Because, there was absolutely nothing inspiring about those clips.
the most cool guy
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Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.
Jdb101808
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ive seen numerous NFL qbs throwing and doing the exact same stuff and results the past week or so and other college qbs... so does that mean all those teams have a bad QB and are gonna be bad this year, etc, etc... NO... you saw one 30 second clip of a few passes at the end of a practice and nothing more .... heck blame the receivers too for not trying or running harder... LOL
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Obviously it's early, so this isn't a finish product, but some of those weren't event close.

I don't think a QB is going to go from consistently 5+ yards off to "on target" with a few more weeks of practice but also a live defense trying to kill him.

My take aways

- Reed is still very inaccurate. Most of his throws didn't give the WR and chance and the caught balls were ones that would have turned a potential big gain into an immediate tackle or somebody that was beat getting a pic because the ball was so underthrown.
- O'Neill looked pretty strong, IMO. His throws were almost all catchable without the WR changing pace. Some weren't placed perfectly, but felt like you could be dangerous with him
- If that video is any sort of honest reflection of our WR room, we're in really, really big trouble. No defenders, wearing gloves and balls were just bouncing off of their hands.

As I said, it's early - but I think it is VERY fair to say that if you expect us to have a good year, you have to hope this video was just an outlier. There is no way to defend most of what was in those clips simply by saying "it's early".
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the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team.

The current NFL MVP completion % by year:

Wyoming: 56%
Wyoming: 56.3%
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(Buffalo)
2018: 52.8%
2019: 58.8%
2020: 69.2%
2021: 63.3%
2022: 63.3%
2023: 66.5%
2024: 63.6%

The current Super Bowl MVP completion % by year:
Alabama: 62.8%
Alabama: 60.6%
Alabama: very few snaps as backup
Oklahoma: 69.7%
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(Philly)
2020: 52%
2021: 61.3%
2022: 66.5%
2023: 65.4%
2024: 68.7%

And spare me before you make the next obvious response that everyone always does when they say "completion % doesn't = accuracy" because that was basically how Mike Leach viewed it given the completion % of all his QB's over the years.

I happen to agree it's not the only factor, but it's a major one. And players have proven they can get much better and more accurate through development. They don't just either 'have it or not' at age 20 and be locked in for life.
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vander54 said:

TecRecAg said:

You think Saban was cool with guys not caring in warm up drills? GTFO


Warm ups are just that warm ups. Players aren't giving it 100% because they are warming up. You can take warm ups seriously and still not give 100% on a play.


Let's define what "giving 100%" means in a warm up context. If you run 100% speed before you warm up you get injured. That's why you warm up. If you are talking about 100% focus, that's another thing.
Aggie Dad 26
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Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.
Aggie Dad 26
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Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer


Because Tech, Miss St, Washington St aren't nationally relevant teams ever capable of nationally relevant talent
Maroon Dawn
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I predict he'll be good enough to lead us to 8-4
Aggie Dad 26
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jamey said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer


Because Tech, Miss St, Washington St aren't nationally relevant teams ever capable of nationally relevant talent


Yes, and Leach never had the knack for creating good defenses. It was as if it was part of his schtick. If he had an above average defense, he would have taken college football by storm.

Circling back to his comment. Yes, he is 100% correct, accuracy is the most important trait in a QB. Very few programs probably attempted as many down field passes (low percentage type) as much as his offenses did.

An accurate QB can over come other deficiencies if they're accurate enough
Aggie Dad 26
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Maroon Dawn said:

I predict he'll be good enough to lead us to 8-4

8-4 seems so specific
Bunk Moreland
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

jamey said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer


Because Tech, Miss St, Washington St aren't nationally relevant teams ever capable of nationally relevant talent


Yes, and Leach never had the knack for creating good defenses. It was as if it was part of his schtick. If he had an above average defense, he would have taken college football by storm.

Circling back to his comment. Yes, he is 100% correct, accuracy is the most important trait in a QB. Very few programs probably attempted as many down field passes (low percentage type) as much as his offenses did.

An accurate QB can over come other deficiencies if they're accurate enough


He said "a quarterback either has it or he doesn't." That's not true. Accuracy can be developed. Some people may never get super accurate just like some people will never throw 90mph+. That's life.

I just provided you an example of the 2 biggest QB names in the world today, both of whom you and other mensa's would have said were inaccurate and never going to make anything of themselves according to your ridiculous rigid standards.

But don't let me get in the way of the same board bleeding to just say 8-4 again. Y'all are so original.
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I was expecting a whole lot worse based upon the responses here.
Aggie Dad 26
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Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

jamey said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer


Because Tech, Miss St, Washington St aren't nationally relevant teams ever capable of nationally relevant talent


Yes, and Leach never had the knack for creating good defenses. It was as if it was part of his schtick. If he had an above average defense, he would have taken college football by storm.

Circling back to his comment. Yes, he is 100% correct, accuracy is the most important trait in a QB. Very few programs probably attempted as many down field passes (low percentage type) as much as his offenses did.

An accurate QB can over come other deficiencies if they're accurate enough


He said "a quarterback either has it or he doesn't." That's not true Accuracy can be developed. Some people may never get super accurate just like some people will never throw 90mph+. That's life.

I just provided you an example of the 2 biggest QB names in the world today, both of whom you and other mensa's would have said were inaccurate and never going to make anything of themselves according to your ridiculous rigid standards.

But don't let me get in the way of the same board bleeding to just say 8-4 again. Y'all are so original.


1. Bold statement #1, I agree with you. It can be developed. Unfortunately, we have seen far too many QBs come through here and make little or very little improvement. Lack of improving mechanics or motion might support this idea.

2. Bold statement #2. Do those quarterbacks have the ability to make plays? Do they run well? Do they make great decisions? Do they fold under pressure? Most importantly, are they consistent with their strengths?

Now ask yourself if everyone after Johnny or before him held those traits? Some did, but none were consistent.

Yes, accuracy is the most important trait. Id say playmaking ability, is a close #2
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

jamey said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

the most cool guy said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Bobaloo said:

Mike Leach said throwing accuracy is the #1 trait when evaluating a QB. Either the QB has it or doesn't have it.


Oh please, not this again.

It's not incorrect.


Mike Leach designed offenses around a QB being able to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open receivers before a pass rush could affect their ability to deliver the ball. Target practice and it never led to amazing Pro Quarterbacks or elite success in college for a team


Sounds real easy to defend. Im gonna guess the opposition shut that down really easy. But, if he had a really good defense and a winning culture he was probably able to contend for championships


Doesn't sound too easy to defend to me. That said, he did nothing but produce 70+% completion passers who went on to marginal or no success at the next level personally...and his teams did nothing at the national level of relevance for decades.


Take a guess why? Don't rush your answer


Because Tech, Miss St, Washington St aren't nationally relevant teams ever capable of nationally relevant talent


Yes, and Leach never had the knack for creating good defenses. It was as if it was part of his schtick. If he had an above average defense, he would have taken college football by storm.

Circling back to his comment. Yes, he is 100% correct, accuracy is the most important trait in a QB. Very few programs probably attempted as many down field passes (low percentage type) as much as his offenses did.

An accurate QB can over come other deficiencies if they're accurate enough


Defense is talent which he couldn't get. You can scheme a little better offense by being different, not so much defense
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This thread is peak pre-season Zoo. The moniker is indeed well earned.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
 
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