Texag5324 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?

other coaches they could go get:

kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure

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Cignetti and Kiffin both make around $9MM per year and are around the top 10 highest paid coaches in CFB. Napier is making around $7.5MM per year at UF.

If UF wants to pursue either Kiffin or Cignetti, they will probably have to make them a Jimbo type offer and make them a top 3 highest paid coach, and not sure they are willing to do that especially after paying Billy and his staff's buyout.

Also, Cignetti and Kiffin both have great, stable gigs. UF would be a total rebuild football wise and culturally as well with a much shorter lease. If Im Cignetti or Kiffin, Im staying put. Id rather go to PSU over UF at this moment in time. UF doesnt even have a school President right now.

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This is true. Thing is, both UF and Arkansas have been in a pillow fight on coaching hire wiffs. Makes me wonder when Florida finally goes crazy with a hire

Texag5324 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?

other coaches they could go get:

kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure

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Cignetti and Kiffin both make around $9MM per year and are around the top 10 highest paid coaches in CFB. Napier is making around $7.5MM per year at UF.

If UF wants to pursue either Kiffin or Cignetti, they will probably have to make them a Jimbo type offer and make them a top 3 highest paid coach, and not sure they are willing to do that especially after paying Billy and his staff's buyout.

Also, Cignetti and Kiffin both have great, stable gigs. UF would be a total rebuild football wise and culturally as well with a much shorter lease. If Im Cignetti or Kiffin, Im staying put. Id rather go to PSU over UF at this moment in time. UF doesnt even have a school President right now.

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The problem UF has is if you make the CFP, that becomes the new expectation every year. I don't blame their fans for that, that's the reality of the business now, produce or you're fired. They don't have that expectation of success at Ole Miss (yet) or Indiana, which is why I expect Kiffin and Cignetti to both turn down Florida.

Penn State has been playing this close-but-no-cigar game for over a decade with Franklin. You can only finish second so many times before you become tired of being the bridesmaid every year, and go for a change. People who claim Penn State jumped the gun either don't understand the reality of college football now, or simply have lower expectations than anyone writing the checks.

You don't see this much whining and moaning about head coaches fired in the NFL, not sure why it is so different in college now.

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We got lucky with Elko (assuming this season continues to go well),

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Big assumption.

He hasn't really won the big time headline title fight match up yet. Especially consistently.

(What I mean is that A&M for the top 20 years has not been able to consistently beat teams that are closely ranked. Upsets, sure...but I'm talking a campaign over the course of the season). Assuming A&M beats Arky (far from certain) I'm talking about beating LSU (A&M probably loses against LSU or Missouri, and old A&M loses to both).

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I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.

The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.

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Agree.
Who that is successful at their current school would want that job knowing what the expectations are? Sure there are expectations at every major school but how often do coaches who have went 13-3, 10-3, 11-2 the last 3 years get fired? At that point you're competing for a national championship every year. Who out there is going to guarantee you win one? No one. So why put yourself in the position to be fired in 3-4 years if you don't win one.

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Because you'll be rich beyond belief at the end of those 3-4 years.

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And the coaches at that level will be rich wherever they currently are. Penn St is looking for a "hump breaker" that according to them Franklin was incapable of being. Who are these guys? They have to be coaches who have already won a NC. Kirby? Day? Those guys have proven they can win one where they are. Why leave for that environment? Schools that jump on the coaching carousel are usually not already winning 10+ games a year. This is a pretty unique situation.

Florida's bigger issue is leadership at the highest level. They need to clean house if they wanna rebuild including AD and below.

Let's grab Dallas and maybe a few other portal players from Florida.

Didn't read the click bait but if Gators beat MSSU. I don't see them firing Napier. If he keeps winning, highly unlikely, he has a prayer IMO.

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If I'm Florida I am going to all in on the Lane Train. Or at least I don't think they'll go with the up and comer and try to pry a proven coach from another program.

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Kiffin would be scary at Florida or Penn St. He would be at the top of my list if I was an AD.

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Pate said that Florida made the decision after PSU made theirs. I dont quite understand the rationale if big programs are all vying from the same pool of potential HCs. Perhaps they think PSU will get their top candidate before them, if they wait. But I dont think any program has a top candidate, they might have a short list though.

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Franklin to Florida?

Probably right. I have us losing three more games. Two of which we have no business losing except for the fact that we're Texas A&M and that's just what we do…

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Pate said that Florida made the decision after PSU made theirs. I dont quite understand the rationale if big programs are all vying from the same pool of potential HCs. Perhaps they think PSU will get their top candidate before them, if they wait. But I dont think any program has a top candidate, they might have a short list though.

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Franklin to Florida?

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Probably not. Napier and Franklin are both underwhelming against ranked teams. Florida still thinks they are Urban Meyer era Florida. They want a Kirby Smart caliber hire. Someone that can be a perennial 10 win program, and thats a tall order in the SEC.

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue soon). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

RoadkillBBQ said:

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Pate said that Florida made the decision after PSU made theirs. I dont quite understand the rationale if big programs are all vying from the same pool of potential HCs. Perhaps they think PSU will get their top candidate before them, if they wait. But I dont think any program has a top candidate, they might have a short list though.

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Franklin to Florida?

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Yes because Florida is a program with low expectations and would be thrilled to take PSU refugees. Florida is the only SEC team in the state of Florida. UF is ten times better a coaching job than PSU.

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Probably right. I have us losing three more games. Two of which we have no business losing except for the fact that we're Texas A&M and that's just what we do…

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Yup. This is why BAS exists. And its absolutely justified given how the last 20, hell 30 years have gone.

Until A&M doesn't lose games its not supposed to lose, and can even go 50/50 on the big match ups when both teams are hot and its a headline game of the week, then Elko, or anyone else hasn't really taken the program forward.

That said, Elko does seem to have the best chance of doing this than any coach we have had in the last 30 years, so there is that.

Old A&M - loses to Arky (maybe), loses to LSU, loses to Missouri, loses to Texas.

If A&M is taking a step forward. Beats Arky, Only loses to LSU or Missouri and beats the other one. AND, beats Texas (as it seems Texas is having a down year).

HoustonAg2106 said:

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rootube said:

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

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I'll list the virtues of the Tech job

1) will not get outspent by anyone on facilities, coaching staff or NIL
2) is in the state of Texas
3) is in the B12 and has an insurmountable advantage over every other team in the conference. Will probably have an auto bid to playoffs going forward.


Play away for a national championship. If we could get trophies made for this we would have a couple natties in our trophy case.

kyledr04 said:

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I think i also read somewhere, maybe here, that one advantage of a mid season firing has to with a portal window opening for the players. If it opens now, most won't be able to leave until the regular window.

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This is the reason. If you fire day after last game of the season, the portal window opens right then as opposed to January 2. If you fire now, portal opens but most schools are full so too bad.

rootube said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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rootube said:

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

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I'll list the virtues of the Tech job

1) will not get outspent by anyone on facilities, coaching staff or NIL
2) is in the state of Texas
3) is in the B12 and has an insurmountable advantage over every other team in the conference. Will probably have an auto bid to playoffs going forward.


Play away for a national championship. If we could get trophies made for this we would have a couple natties in our trophy case.

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So you're basically saying it's a better job than A&M and Texas too?

And when were we a play away from a national championship?

Next weekend (28th), South Florida and Memphis play for control of the AAC. If either of them can win out and make the playoffs, both their coaches would be candidates. Obviously, South Florida's Alex Golesh already has connections now in Florida, and Memphis's Ryan Silverfield is from there.

Golesh took over a very bad (1-11) team and has taken them to the edge of the AAC championship and possible playoff berth.

Silverfield took over from Mike Norvell and has been up and down, without actually ever winning the AAC. However, if Memphis wins and claims a playoff spot, I could see his name being mentioned.


Golesh is my guess.

Ultimately, anyone they bring in gets fired. It's either in 4 years or it is within the next 8.

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kyledr04 said:

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I think i also read somewhere, maybe here, that one advantage of a mid season firing has to with a portal window opening for the players. If it opens now, most won't be able to leave until the regular window.

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This is the reason. If you fire day after last game of the season, the portal window opens right then as opposed to January 2. If you fire now, portal opens but most schools are full so too bad.

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And academically, players aren't leaving until the semester ends, and schools probably don't want to take them in.

after some of his comments last weekend, i wonder if kiffin is ready to move on from miss

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Probably right. I have us losing three more games. Two of which we have no business losing except for the fact that we're Texas A&M and that's just what we do…

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Yup. This is why BAS exists. And its absolutely justified given how the last 20, hell 30 years have gone.

Until A&M doesn't lose games its not supposed to lose, and can even go 50/50 on the big match ups when both teams are hot and its a headline game of the week, then Elko, or anyone else hasn't really taken the program forward.

That said, Elko does seem to have the best chance of doing this than any coach we have had in the last 30 years, so there is that.

Old A&M - loses to Arky (maybe), loses to LSU, loses to Missouri, loses to Texas.

If A&M is taking a step forward. Beats Arky, Only loses to LSU or Missouri and beats the other one. AND, beats Texas (as it seems Texas is having a down year).

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One reason so many of us have BAS is the frequency the Ags have collapsed in November. Since 2000, we've only had 4 seasons that the team finished 3-1 or 4-0 in their last 4 games. Four times in 25 years.

Between 1985 and 1999 we finished 3-1 or 4-0 EVERY year. Albeit part of that was against the lowly SWC, but every one of those years had tu at the end.

There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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Tex117 said:

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Probably right. I have us losing three more games. Two of which we have no business losing except for the fact that we're Texas A&M and that's just what we do…

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Yup. This is why BAS exists. And its absolutely justified given how the last 20, hell 30 years have gone.

Until A&M doesn't lose games its not supposed to lose, and can even go 50/50 on the big match ups when both teams are hot and its a headline game of the week, then Elko, or anyone else hasn't really taken the program forward.

That said, Elko does seem to have the best chance of doing this than any coach we have had in the last 30 years, so there is that.

Old A&M - loses to Arky (maybe), loses to LSU, loses to Missouri, loses to Texas.

If A&M is taking a step forward. Beats Arky, Only loses to LSU or Missouri and beats the other one. AND, beats Texas (as it seems Texas is having a down year).

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One reason so many of us have BAS is the frequency the Ags have collapsed in November. Since 2000, we've only had 4 seasons that the team finished 3-1 or 4-0 in their last 4 games. Four times in 25 years.

Between 1985 and 1999 we finished 3-1 or 4-0 EVERY year. Albeit part of that was against the lowly SWC, but every one of those years had tu at the end.

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Yup. And then there are folks in here that say those afflicted with BAS are crazy. Just look at your stat!

There are only so many times you can get kicked in the junk before you take cover.

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Next weekend (28th), South Florida and Memphis play for control of the AAC. If either of them can win out and make the playoffs, both their coaches would be candidates. Obviously, South Florida's Alex Golesh already has connections now in Florida, and Memphis's Ryan Silverfield is from there.

Golesh took over a very bad (1-11) team and has taken them to the edge of the AAC championship and possible playoff berth.

Silverfield took over from Mike Norvell and has been up and down, without actually ever winning the AAC. However, if Memphis wins and claims a playoff spot, I could see his name being mentioned.


Golesh is my guess.

Ultimately, anyone they bring in gets fired. It's either in 4 years or it is within the next 8.

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Golesh is originally from Russia, but grew up in Dublin, Ohio. He started out at Ohio State as a student assistant coach and worked his way up the ladder. He is a PHENOMENAL coach. He was the offensive coordinator when UT snapped their losing streak to Alabama, and he has South Florida playing at a high level.

If I'm Florida and I fire Napier, he's my #1 attainable candidate. Florida fans know him because he won in the Swamp earlier this season. He spent a decade coaching and recruiting in Ohio/Illinois/Iowa, so he knows B1G country. Penn State should be looking at him, too.

Jarrin Jay said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

Texag5324 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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warrington74 said:

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?

other coaches they could go get:

kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure

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Cignetti and Kiffin both make around $9MM per year and are around the top 10 highest paid coaches in CFB. Napier is making around $7.5MM per year at UF.

If UF wants to pursue either Kiffin or Cignetti, they will probably have to make them a Jimbo type offer and make them a top 3 highest paid coach, and not sure they are willing to do that especially after paying Billy and his staff's buyout.

Also, Cignetti and Kiffin both have great, stable gigs. UF would be a total rebuild football wise and culturally as well with a much shorter lease. If Im Cignetti or Kiffin, Im staying put. Id rather go to PSU over UF at this moment in time. UF doesnt even have a school President right now.

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I think Kiffin would jump to Florida if offered the job. But is Florida willing to dish out a massive contract to get him to leave Ole Miss? I'm not sure. But after "sunbelt Billy" didn't work out they might be willing to spend to avoid hiring another lower level coach.

The firing of James Franklin was stupid.
I'm reading that "the Paterno folks," didn't want jim getting any further in the win column, and used their influence to get him removed.

Backyard Gator said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

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Your argument about Tech being in the Big 12 and having no competition could be used to say that Tech is better than A&M or Texas too (or almost any job in the SEC and Big 10). It's not really how coaches look at how good a job is, usually you want to play against the best if you see yourself as a top coach.

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Where you were ranked fourth weeks ago doesn't mean a damn thing today. Penn State boosters went all-in on NIL, paid the veterans to return, and paid Jim Knowles to come over and run their defense. They followed the Ohio State model, and tried to buy a championship, which is what you want them to do. Their reward was another choke in a big game vs Oregon, losing to the worst team in the nation working under an interim coach in UCLA, and then losing to Northwestern to go 0-3 in the B1G. Far from playing for or winning a national title, they're out of the playoff before second week of October, and winless in conference play.

After over a decade of falling short and always choking in the big games, their boosters have had enough. This is pro football, your job is to produce. You don't produce, you're fired. Get someone else in here who can.

Some of y'all are in denial about the reality of this business now.

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The road to buying a championship is fraught with peril, as we learned with the Jimbo contract and the "number 1" class going bust.

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Backyard Gator said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

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Your argument about Tech being in the Big 12 and having no competition could be used to say that Tech is better than A&M or Texas too (or almost any job in the SEC and Big 10). It's not really how coaches look at how good a job is, usually you want to play against the best if you see yourself as a top coach.

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Nope. Tech has unlimited resources for the Big 12....not the SEC. There are no teams in the SEC that can match A&M (or tex) for resources, just like there is no one in the Big 12 who can match Tech. Penn State is third in the pecking order in the B1G.

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Backyard Gator said:

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Where you were ranked fourth weeks ago doesn't mean a damn thing today. Penn State boosters went all-in on NIL, paid the veterans to return, and paid Jim Knowles to come over and run their defense. They followed the Ohio State model, and tried to buy a championship, which is what you want them to do. Their reward was another choke in a big game vs Oregon, losing to the worst team in the nation working under an interim coach in UCLA, and then losing to Northwestern to go 0-3 in the B1G. Far from playing for or winning a national title, they're out of the playoff before second week of October, and winless in conference play.

After over a decade of falling short and always choking in the big games, their boosters have had enough. This is pro football, your job is to produce. You don't produce, you're fired. Get someone else in here who can.

Some of y'all are in denial about the reality of this business now.

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The road to buying a championship is fraught with peril, as we learned with the Jimbo contract and the "number 1" class going bust.

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Meh. I'd argue we screwed up by not buying the #1 class in 2023 and 2024, too, but that is just me.

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Backyard Gator said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

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Your argument about Tech being in the Big 12 and having no competition could be used to say that Tech is better than A&M or Texas too (or almost any job in the SEC and Big 10). It's not really how coaches look at how good a job is, usually you want to play against the best if you see yourself as a top coach.

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Nope. Tech has unlimited resources for the Big 12....not the SEC. There are no teams in the SEC that can match A&M (or tex) for resources, just like there is no one in the Big 12 who can match Tech. Penn State is third in the pecking order in the B1G.

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Okay so who is third in the SEC? LSU? Alabama? Georgia? Florida? Is Tech better than all of those jobs?

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

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Your argument about Tech being in the Big 12 and having no competition could be used to say that Tech is better than A&M or Texas too (or almost any job in the SEC and Big 10). It's not really how coaches look at how good a job is, usually you want to play against the best if you see yourself as a top coach.

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Nope. Tech has unlimited resources for the Big 12....not the SEC. There are no teams in the SEC that can match A&M (or tex) for resources, just like there is no one in the Big 12 who can match Tech. Penn State is third in the pecking order in the B1G.

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Okay so who is third in the SEC? LSU? Alabama? Georgia? Florida? Is Tech better than all of those jobs?

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You're just arguing to argue at this point, and that is a waste of my time. If you think Tech sucks and Penn State/Florida/Georgia/Bama are all superior jobs, I'm not going to try to change your mind. Have a nice day, you've wasted enough of mine.

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Backyard Gator said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Backyard Gator said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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I see his argument. Yeah, Penn State is in the B1G and is considered by some to be a blue blood or blue blood adjacent, but that doesn't matter in modern college football. Penn State is always going to be competing with Michigan and Ohio State to be the best pro team in their region, whereas Texas Tech has no one who can match them for financial resources. No Big 12 team comes close. Tech is potentially looking at the opportunity to be a playoff mainstay.

The only advantage PSU has over Tech is if the B1G and SEC pull away from the other conferences to form a P2 league, Penn State is in one of the two, while Tech is left out.

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Your argument about Tech being in the Big 12 and having no competition could be used to say that Tech is better than A&M or Texas too (or almost any job in the SEC and Big 10). It's not really how coaches look at how good a job is, usually you want to play against the best if you see yourself as a top coach.

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Nope. Tech has unlimited resources for the Big 12....not the SEC. There are no teams in the SEC that can match A&M (or tex) for resources, just like there is no one in the Big 12 who can match Tech. Penn State is third in the pecking order in the B1G.

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Okay so who is third in the SEC? LSU? Alabama? Georgia? Florida? Is Tech better than all of those jobs?

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You're just arguing to argue at this point, and that is a waste of my time. If you think Tech sucks and Penn State/Florida/Georgia/Bama are all superior jobs, I'm not going to try to change your mind. Have a nice day, you've wasted enough of mine.

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I'm arguing because you are wrong, Tech is not some elite job all of a sudden.

And all I'm doing is using your argument for Tech over Penn State against you

if tech is a better job than penn state, then why did it have to settle for Joey Mcguire as coach?

I think he is doing a great job there, but if tech is better than penn state, why didn't it have its choice of coaches?

Tech my be a better job if you look at it from a couole of angles:

1. Expectations are lower, thus job security is going to be better. Tech is going to give a coach more leeway than Penn St. simply because of the history of the two schools.

2. Easier path to playoffs by a mile

Other than that, Penn St. holds every advantage - prestige, pay, favoritism, ability to recruit top talent, etc. In a situation where Tech and Penn st. are competing for that #12 spot for tge playoff bracket, Penn St. gets the nod 99 out of 100 times simply because they are Penn St.

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I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.

The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.

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With the early signing day coming so early and most of the top prospects signing then, you can't wait until the end of the season to signal coaching changes anymore.

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You also have the transfer portal to deal with. Penn St. knows that a bunch of their talent is likely hitting the portal regardless, so gettig Franklin out and a new coach on board as early as possibly may stop some of the bleeding when it comes to players leaving the program for greener pastures.

It also helps with recruiting out of the portal as well, which in todays version of CFB, is a huge aspect of coahing.