Seeing more smoke about cp3 signing with us

mavsfan4ever said:

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The norm justification is more ******ed than anything I've heard.

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It's not the Norm justification, it's Norm's interpretation of why Nico decided to trade Luka. He is probably correct. We agree, Nico is stupid.

If you're Nico and you think your 26 year old MVP candidate is going to get fatter, more injury prone, and has a lifetime at the top of the league comparable to a 32 year old oft injured two way player with MVP level bona fides then the age gap is irrelevant, the pick is a kicker, you get a young player with potential and you go all in before your team explodes in a beer foam mess unable to compete with other players you look at with admiration. I think he bailed on Luka for a stupid rationale, but I do believe that's what it was.

zgolfz85 said:

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Seeing more smoke about cp3 signing with us

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People listening to me finally. He may want to be home, but the PT he can get in Dallas makes more sense to him than backing up Luka or Harden in LA.

zgolfz85 said:

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Seeing more smoke about cp3 signing with us

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Really? I would love it, but I thought he was signaling a return to the west coast, if not LA. His family has stayed in LA ever since he left the clippers.

Guitarsoup said:

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zgolfz85 said:

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Seeing more smoke about cp3 signing with us

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People listening to me finally. He may want to be home, but the PT he can get in Dallas makes more sense to him than backing up Luka or Harden in LA.

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I think everybody has been on board with the idea, but I just wasn't sure how realistic it was. Has to be a minimum for the Mavs and people thought he'd want to go back to his family.

There are so many shortsighted aspects to the "strike now" approach.

1) You have OKC's number and the other 2 have shown they aren't ready to accomplish anything of note. Why change up your formula when the formula you have was working vs the only one that is a threat?

2) with age of your team and the future pick swaps with these teams you were worried about, you set yourself up to be extremely bad when they have your picks. So prime position to prolong your problems

Pure idiocy

shack009 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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zgolfz85 said:

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Seeing more smoke about cp3 signing with us

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People listening to me finally. He may want to be home, but the PT he can get in Dallas makes more sense to him than backing up Luka or Harden in LA.

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I think everybody has been on board with the idea, but I just wasn't sure how realistic it was. Has to be a minimum for the Mavs and people thought he'd want to go back to his family.

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I think it was always realistic if you look at his reasons to sign with the Spurs. He openly wanted playing time and it was clear the Spurs guaranteed him the starting job all year and were likely the only team to do that. So when we traded for Fox, we started both at the same time, even though it made no sense.

He passed Kidd on assists and steals all time lists, and I think that was a factor. I didn't think he would come to the Spurs even though we needed the veteran leader and a PG, because I thought he would ring chase. But I think the PT/stat chasing was more important to him.

Dallas kind of gives him a place that he could do both. He could keep the boat afloat while Kyrie heals and get good PT for a majority of the season. And if Kyrie is back and the team [AD and Lively looking at you] is healthy, Dallas obviously could make a really strong run.

Paul could sign for the min, but he could also be involved in a S&T, which would hard cap Dallas at the 2nd apron, but ultimately make it cheaper if someone wanted to take on one of the less needed guys. That type of deal would help the Mavs cap more than just a vet min.

Doing a sign and trade would be a terrible idea, unless the players are Powell and Hardy. And that would make no sense for SA.

The Mavs are already a second apron team if you factor in the Flagg contract. The Mavs physically can't sign anyone other than a minimum player unless they offload multiple contracts.

I think other trades will be likely, and SA doesn't necessarily have to be the team to take on Powell or Hardy.

I think a opt-out/extend deal with Kyrie should be on the table where he gets more years at a lower rate and cuts his salary some for this season for more on the backend. But Ky kind of has Dallas by the short hairs on that because with the other salaries, and lack of picks, replacing him would be basically impossible... unless you took Dylan Harper #1, which is the smart and obvious choice.

hph6203 said:

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mavsfan4ever said:

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The norm justification is more ******ed than anything I've heard.

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It's not the Norm justification, it's Norm's interpretation of why Nico decided to trade Luka. He is probably correct. We agree, Nico is stupid.

If you're Nico and you think your 26 year old MVP candidate is going to get fatter, more injury prone, and has a lifetime at the top of the league comparable to a 32 year old oft injured two way player with MVP level bona fides then the age gap is irrelevant, the pick is a kicker, you get a young player with potential and you go all in before your team explodes in a beer foam mess unable to compete with other players you look at with admiration. I think he bailed on Luka for a stupid rationale, but I do believe that's what it was.

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Maybe that's what happened, and if it is, it's the dumbest **** ever. It that had nothing to do with being scared ****less of 3 teams you are better than.

But my comment about norm's justification or norm's theory on what Nico was thinking, was referring to them being so scared that okc, the rockets or the sorus were just going to be too good in a year or two so we had to make a move to try and compete now. That's the dumbest **** I've ever heard, for the reasons I gave in my first post.

Kyrie at a lower salary should absolutely happen because he'll miss most of this season and probably won't be nearly as good when he comes back. He'll also be in his late 30s by the end of the new deal (assuming minimum 3 years). But we all know that isn't how any of this works.

I understand that. I'm saying I (and Norm) believe Nico looked at those teams and looked at Luka, said he's giving me 2-3 years of elite offense from this date, and then these other teams are going to pass us because their stars pass his vibes check and Luka doesn't. He then thinks in order to rise to their level he'll have to find another star with no assets to acquire one and given the window is 2-3 years with Luka or 2-3 Years with AD he decided a 2-3 year elite two way and extra assets is better than 2-3 years of elite offense.

I disagree with that rationale, I agree it's incredibly stupid, but I believe that is what happened. It's why it irritates me when people claim the league forced the trade, because it absolves Nico from responsibility for doing something that egregiously stupid and place the blame on the league. Nico deserves the blame. The league did not maneuver Luka to LA.

He wasn't forced, it wasn't for the league, Nico is just plainly dumb.

shack009 said:

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zgolfz85 said:

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shack009 said:

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For those who are still trying to throw themselves pity parties: Luka is 0-4 against healthy Pacers teams since the Halliburton trade, giving up 133+ each of the past 3 games. Carlisle would have his way with Luka on the defensive end.

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So you're agreeing we'd like be back in the finals

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No, we'd have lost to OKC before that still. But just saying we'd probably have been swept or gentleman's sweep against this version of the Pacers with Luka.

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I think losing to OKC is debatable at the least. This team got better after beating those f cks last playoffs. If only that idiot GM had let them make another run. But no, his f cking ego got in the way of that.

F ck Nico.

Gotcha. Nico being scared of the spurs and rockets adds a whole new level of dumbness to his thought process. But I get what you are saying.

DannyDuberstein said:

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After winning the playoff series 4-2, the Mavs went 3-1 against the Thunder this year (all pre-trade), only one of which did they have Luka (a W).

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Almost positive Mavs were 0-1 against OKC with Luka this year and 3-0 without Luka. Also they were always missing guys in our wins.

Also every win against the thunder in the playoffs was really close (and took PJ Washington being an absolute hero). They also got better with Caruso and Hartenstein. We would not have been favored in a series against them with two healthy rosters. And Luka always gets some sort of nagging thing against Dort because that's just how Dort plays, unfortunately.

shack009 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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After winning the playoff series 4-2, the Mavs went 3-1 against the Thunder this year (all pre-trade), only one of which did they have Luka (a W).

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Almost positive Mavs were 0-1 against OKC with Luka this year and 3-0 without Luka. Also they were always missing guys in our wins.

Also every win against the thunder in the playoffs was really close (and took PJ Washington being an absolute hero). They also got better with Caruso and Hartenstein. We would not have been favored in a series against them with two healthy rosters. And Luka always gets some sort of nagging thing against Dort because that's just how Dort plays, unfortunately.

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The mavs also got better and we had Luka.

The most frustrating thing about these playoffs is that I fully believe we could compete with any of these teams. No doubt in my mind.

F CK NICO!!!

CP3 is washed. Wasted roster spot for a guy who will demand more playing time than he deserves. Would honestly rather re sign Dinwiddie.

Also on no planet did the Mavs trade Luka because they were scared of the Thunder, rockets and spurs. The Mavs fully healthy would have given the Thunder absolute fits and the other 2 still have ways to go. Dumbest theory I've heard.

I don't buy it either. I think (1) frustrated with Luka (2) never liked the analytics with Luka from day 1 and (3) Boston and their defense in the Finals are what drove it. Somehow he thought he saw an angle to winning a title now with AD and then hitting the "exit the franchise to bigger and better things" button

Don't use your logic to analyze something you wouldn't have done and then you won't think it's so out of the question.

At least Nico didn't sacrifice every young/draft asset we had left for a year of Kevin Durant like we feared a few weeks ago:

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M.C. Swag said:

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CP3 is washed. Wasted roster spot for a guy who will demand more playing time than he deserves. Would honestly rather re sign Dinwiddie.

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The key is that he played 82 games for the Spurs. He'd be an adult who can dribble and get us into sets better than anybody we have.

I'm glad the Dinwiddie experience is over. It's so frustrating to watch him at times. The staff also finally soured on him late in the year and being a DNP CD in the final game speaks volumes.

I will take Exum back on a minimum though if he wants to come back.

Brandon Williams is a better option than cp3. Do t want cp3 at all.

mavsfan4ever said:

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Brandon Williams is a better option than cp3. Do t want cp3 at all.

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I see it as two different styles of player that I think would complement each other well. CP3 is looking to set up others but provides spacing for secondary creation. B Will is more of a scorer and a great guy to have come off the bench for 15-20 minutes.

I think CP3 is a great guy to have on the court with Flagg. Can get him the ball in good spots but also provides spacing for Flagg's driving and playmaking.

I should add that I looked in to the CP3 smoke and it all appears to stem from a BR guy predicting CP3 signs with Dallas. The BR guy doesn't have any sourcing and it was all just guesswork on his part.

The aggregators are saying "expert predicts CP3 to Dallas" but it was nothing more than a guess. I remain highly skeptical that it's a realistic option for us.

Yea I admit he would probably be decent for flagg's development.

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CP provides 0 spacing. Idk what youve seen from him to give you the idea he helps spacing

M.C. Swag said:

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CP provides 0 spacing. Idk what youve seen from him to give you the idea he helps spacing

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He shot 38% on catch and shoot 3s last year.

That's actually insane because watching him even attempt a 3 is like cajoling my toddler to eat something green

He was at his 4th most 3PA/g for his career last year, 2nd most attempts of his career by total volume. 64% of all FGA last year were 3s.

Hes not near the scorer/mid-range guy he used to be, but he's a willing and capable 3 point shooter now. He's evolved his game in the necessary ways a 40 years old should.

mavsfan4ever said:

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Brandon Williams is a better option than cp3. Do t want cp3 at all.

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The mavs need guard depth in the worst way. We should welcome cp3 with open arms