***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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What can y'all tell me about Sean Sweeney?
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Guitarsoup said:

What can y'all tell me about Sean Sweeney?


One of the masterminds of the Mavs defense. When the Mavs lose him it will hurt.
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I know the players seem to like him and he has a positive reputation around the league. Hard to measure the on court impact. I think they ported over a lot of the same defensive principles from Carlisle's regime. Due to Luka's limitations when he'd be switched on to a ball handler a lot, the whole idea of "building a wall" which is a backend zone defense whenever a team commits to one side of the court. Helps to protect Luka and limits attempts at the rim. That was my .02, but there could be more I'm not smart enough to realize.

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Thanks, Swag and Shack. Marc Stein says Mitch Johnson is targeting Sweeney for his head assistant role.
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Sounds like Kidd to NY has some smoke to it. I'm guessing Nico is still here because of Kidd, AD, and Kyrie. Maybe Dumont is scared to pull the trigger on Nico because AD would ask out? Would Kidd leaving have any impact on Kyrie? Would this have a domino effect to cause AD to want out? Lots of questions here.

I still prefer the scenario in which the Mavs dump Nico, cash out AD for something (sunk cost), and tank hard next year. You want to walk into this upcoming period where you don't own your picks from 2027-2029 with Flagg + Top 5 pick + Whatever AD gets you + Lively + Cap Space to build on. You can't tank after next year, but you can still build via trades and free agency.
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I don't mind losing Kidd....as long as it doesn't mean losing some major guys on this roster. I also think you'd have to be an idiot to think J Kidd>>>Thibs

If we lose J Kidd, surely we'll go for Thibs or Malone
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Sounds like the Mavs officially denied the Knicks permission to talk to Kidd. Is that door officially closed, or is Nico just trying to drive up the trade price to get him?
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J.P. 03 said:

Sounds like the Mavs officially denied the Knicks permission to talk to Kidd. Is that door officially closed, or is Nico just trying to drive up the trade price to get him?


I don't think Kidd is going anywhere. Hopefully they take Udoka from the rockets.
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shack009 said:

J.P. 03 said:

Sounds like the Mavs officially denied the Knicks permission to talk to Kidd. Is that door officially closed, or is Nico just trying to drive up the trade price to get him?


I don't think Kidd is going anywhere. Hopefully they take Udoka from the rockets.
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What a shame
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dvldog said:

shack009 said:

J.P. 03 said:

Sounds like the Mavs officially denied the Knicks permission to talk to Kidd. Is that door officially closed, or is Nico just trying to drive up the trade price to get him?


I don't think Kidd is going anywhere. Hopefully they take Udoka from the rockets.



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Four first round picks and a swap.
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hph6203 said:

Four first round picks and a swap.


Continues to make the Luka trade look so much worse
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And Cole Anthony who is better than max christie.
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Pretty sick that we just threw away a title contender this year for no reason
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Yep. They had OKC's number. That's the team you had to watch how you match up with. Not Boston. Boston was old and sure to fall off quickly. OKC will not. With a reasonably healthy Luka and Kyrie, very strong chance of winning a title this year.
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For those who are still trying to throw themselves pity parties: Luka is 0-4 against healthy Pacers teams since the Halliburton trade, giving up 133+ each of the past 3 games. Carlisle would have his way with Luka on the defensive end.
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shack009 said:

For those who are still trying to throw themselves pity parties: Luka is 0-4 against healthy Pacers teams since the Halliburton trade, giving up 133+ each of the past 3 games. Carlisle would have his way with Luka on the defensive end.


So you're agreeing we'd like be back in the finals
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zgolfz85 said:

shack009 said:

For those who are still trying to throw themselves pity parties: Luka is 0-4 against healthy Pacers teams since the Halliburton trade, giving up 133+ each of the past 3 games. Carlisle would have his way with Luka on the defensive end.


So you're agreeing we'd like be back in the finals


No, we'd have lost to OKC before that still. But just saying we'd probably have been swept or gentleman's sweep against this version of the Pacers with Luka.
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Buss family is selling the Lakers for 10 billion. Anyone want to guess how much the Luka trade made them? 1 billion? The NBA is such a joke league
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And now the Lakers are being sold. And yet people still believe the trade was legit. If you still can't spot the similarities with the Pelicans situation when that franchise was up for sale, I don't know what else can be done for you
Jesus saves
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And by pumping up the sale price of the Lakers, the upcoming round of expansion teams just got a LOT more valuable.

Send Luka to Lakers.
Mavs will win the lottery.
Every team will benefit by tens of millions from higher expansion fees.

Who's going to object to that?
Mavs fans…but eff them fans!
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DANManman said:

And now the Lakers are being sold. And yet people still believe the trade was legit. If you still can't spot the similarities with the Pelicans situation when that franchise was up for sale, I don't know what else can be done for you
Layout the similarities. We'll see if you actually remember the NOH sale and trades correctly.
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chris1515 said:

And by pumping up the sale price of the Lakers, the upcoming round of expansion teams just got a LOT more valuable.

Send Luka to Lakers.
Mavs will win the lottery.
Every team will benefit by tens of millions from higher expansion fees.

Who's going to object to that?
Mavs fans…but eff them fans!
haha I kinda feel like the opposite. I think the Lakers just set the ceiling for what a franchise will sell for because no one is gonna buy the Las Vegas "Degenerates" for $11b when they coulda had the LA Lakers for $10b. Expansion makes sense on it's own merits and likely has no impact to the lakers sale. If anything it just hurts any existing owner because now there's a defined 'cap' on what an nba team is valued today.
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M.C. Swag said:

chris1515 said:

And by pumping up the sale price of the Lakers, the upcoming round of expansion teams just got a LOT more valuable.

Send Luka to Lakers.
Mavs will win the lottery.
Every team will benefit by tens of millions from higher expansion fees.

Who's going to object to that?
Mavs fans…but eff them fans!
haha I kinda feel like the opposite. I think the Lakers just set the ceiling for what a franchise will sell for because no one is gonna buy the Las Vegas "Degenerates" for $11b when they coulda had the LA Lakers for $10b. Expansion makes sense on it's own merits and likely has no impact to the lakers sale. If anything it just hurts any existing owner because now there's a defined 'cap' on what an nba team is valued today.
yeah, but the franchise fees won't be that bad. They'll probably bump up the franchise fees to $2B, which will be split amongst the existing teams equally. So, if you go full on conspiracy mode, the NBA convinced Dallas to trade Luka to spur the sale of LAL, and then fuel expansion, promising the Mavs the number 1 pick for taking one for the team. To me, it's more believable than thinking Nico is so ******ed that he'd make that trade.
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The great Norm Hitzges has a good podcast episode on the Luka trade. He makes the case basically that the Mav's championship window was this year and maybe next. The trade was made just for that timeframe. His theory is that OKC and Houston and San Antone are about to run the West for a decade, and the Mav's needed to be all in on stealing a title this year.

With OKC….too late. They are already there.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-wondering-with-norm-hitzges/id1702002645?i=1000710813958




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chris1515 said:

The great Norm Hitzges has a good podcast episode on the Luka trade. He makes the case basically that the Mav's championship window was this year and maybe next. The trade was made just for that timeframe. His theory is that OKC and Houston and San Antone are about to run the West for a decade, and the Mav's needed to be all in on stealing a title this year.

With OKC….too late. They are already there.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-wondering-with-norm-hitzges/id1702002645?i=1000710813958





yeah, that theory all kind of flew out the window when we landed the #1 pick....and then even further flew out when LAL sold.

I think Nico floated that theory publicly to try and present some reason behind an unreasonable trade, but I don't buy that we'd forego a decade of relevance with Luka for a 1-3 yr window. Nico, maybe...but I don't think you're getting ownership to throw away brand relevance for that long just to try and win in short order (in a conference that was far from a sure thing with so much quality 1-8)
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chris1515 said:

The great Norm Hitzges has a good podcast episode on the Luka trade. He makes the case basically that the Mav's championship window was this year and maybe next. The trade was made just for that timeframe. His theory is that OKC and Houston and San Antone are about to run the West for a decade, and the Mav's needed to be all in on stealing a title this year.

With OKC….too late. They are already there.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-wondering-with-norm-hitzges/id1702002645?i=1000710813958







Is that podcast from 4 months ago?

People still talking about the Luka trade are truly the dumbest type of fan and/or commentator. There are no more original thoughts to be had.
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zgolfz85 said:

chris1515 said:

The great Norm Hitzges has a good podcast episode on the Luka trade. He makes the case basically that the Mav's championship window was this year and maybe next. The trade was made just for that timeframe. His theory is that OKC and Houston and San Antone are about to run the West for a decade, and the Mav's needed to be all in on stealing a title this year.

With OKC….too late. They are already there.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-wondering-with-norm-hitzges/id1702002645?i=1000710813958





yeah, that theory all kind of flew out the window when we landed the #1 pick....and then even further flew out when LAL sold.

I think Nico floated that theory publicly to try and present some reason behind an unreasonable trade, but I don't buy that we'd forego a decade of relevance with Luka for a 1-3 yr window. Nico, maybe...but I don't think you're getting ownership to throw away brand relevance for that long just to try and win in short order (in a conference that was far from a sure thing with so much quality 1-8)


We made the dumbest trade in the history of the league bc we were worried about the rockets who have no generational talent and lost in the first round? And the spurs who have what should be a generational talent but have never even made the playoffs? And the thunder who we just demolished last year? So even though we were better than all of them and had our own generational talent, we thought we better make a dumb trade to get worse in the near term and get nothing in the long term?

Good god norm, you should quit broadcasting. Or at least just stick to Norma and Mary travel shows.
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mavsfan4ever said:

zgolfz85 said:

chris1515 said:

The great Norm Hitzges has a good podcast episode on the Luka trade. He makes the case basically that the Mav's championship window was this year and maybe next. The trade was made just for that timeframe. His theory is that OKC and Houston and San Antone are about to run the West for a decade, and the Mav's needed to be all in on stealing a title this year.

With OKC….too late. They are already there.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-wondering-with-norm-hitzges/id1702002645?i=1000710813958





yeah, that theory all kind of flew out the window when we landed the #1 pick....and then even further flew out when LAL sold.

I think Nico floated that theory publicly to try and present some reason behind an unreasonable trade, but I don't buy that we'd forego a decade of relevance with Luka for a 1-3 yr window. Nico, maybe...but I don't think you're getting ownership to throw away brand relevance for that long just to try and win in short order (in a conference that was far from a sure thing with so much quality 1-8)


We made the dumbest trade in the history of the league bc we were worried about the rockets who have no generational talent and lost in the first round? And the spurs who have what should be a generational talent but have never even made the playoffs? And the thunder who we just demolished last year? So even though we were better than all of them and had our own generational talent, we thought we better make a dumb trade to get worse in the near term and get nothing in the long term?

Good god norm, you should quit broadcasting. Or at least just stick to Norma and Mary travel shows.
agreed, it's a pretty far fetched justification
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It's less far fetched than the NBA forcing the Mavericks to trade their franchise player without them asking said franchise player to indicate he wasn't re-upping with the team in the first place. If the NBA is willing to do that level of underhandedness then they're more than capable of funneling money through Nike, or Gatorade, or some watch manufacturer to Luka as an additional compensation to make the franchise look less stupid and share in the blame for the move.

You all need to stop trying to make this anything other than Nico is an egotistical narcissist that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. If it were a conspiracy, don't you think a 20% owner of the team that made the trade, with a 25 year history with the league would be read in on it, and wouldn't be going on podcasts to subtlety if not overtly bash the trade and rather work to sell it to fans?

Nico is just dumb. He thinks Luka is going to eat and drink his way out of the league. Didn't want to commit 70+ million per year to a guy he thinks is going to be fat and injured. Is, in reality, concerned about OKC, Denver and San Antonio long term. Thought he could squeak a championship in with AD and then move to Miami when Riley retires.
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The norm justification is more ******ed than anything I've heard.
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Powell taking his $4m player option for next year, so he will be back.
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