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"I think they're going to really be stocking their assets for potentially a bigger move, a bigger player, someone who may fit their timeline," via @ShamsCharania on SAS-Durant rumors (@PatMcAfeeShow ) #nba #porvida #sanantonio #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/kxla9uLaJQ

— JeffGSpursKENS5 (@JeffGSpursZone) June 17, 2025

Not sure who the bigger star that Shams thinks we're saving up for could be. All indications are that Giannis will stay in Milwaukee and no one else has really been made available.

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Yea. And Gianni's doesn't really fit our timeline. Imo the only other big star would be Anthony Edwards. He's not gonna be available. I think Shams is talking out of his ass.

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West Texan said:

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"I think they're going to really be stocking their assets for potentially a bigger move, a bigger player, someone who may fit their timeline," via @ShamsCharania on SAS-Durant rumors (@PatMcAfeeShow ) #nba #porvida #sanantonio #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/kxla9uLaJQ

— JeffGSpursKENS5 (@JeffGSpursZone) June 17, 2025

Not sure who the bigger star that Shams thinks we're saving up for could be. All indications are that Giannis will stay in Milwaukee and no one else has really been made available.

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Yea. And Gianni's doesn't really fit our timeline. Imo the only other big star would be Anthony Edwards. He's not gonna be available. I think Shams is talking out of his ass.

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Don't look at Max players. Look at shooting forwards in their 20s. Deni, Camara, Trey, etc.

I don't think the Spurs want 3x Max players

If the Spurs are hoarding picks for a future trade, they seem like a prime candidate to make another Rob Dillingham-esque trade with No. 14.

I've said this all along: Denver makes a ton of sense for a trade like that with a deep future pick. https://t.co/ICVpuYejbJ

— Sam Quinn (@SamQuinnCBS) June 17, 2025

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Enzo The Baker said:

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West Texan said:

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"I think they're going to really be stocking their assets for potentially a bigger move, a bigger player, someone who may fit their timeline," via @ShamsCharania on SAS-Durant rumors (@PatMcAfeeShow ) #nba #porvida #sanantonio #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/kxla9uLaJQ

— JeffGSpursKENS5 (@JeffGSpursZone) June 17, 2025

Not sure who the bigger star that Shams thinks we're saving up for could be. All indications are that Giannis will stay in Milwaukee and no one else has really been made available.

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Yea. And Gianni's doesn't really fit our timeline. Imo the only other big star would be Anthony Edwards. He's not gonna be available. I think Shams is talking out of his ass.

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Don't look at Max players. Look at shooting forwards in their 20s. Deni, Camara, Trey, etc.

I don't think the Spurs want 3x Max players

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Trey would be amazing, but I think the Bane trade overinflated his value this year. I didn't realize that Deni is younger than Camara. He'd be a great fit with our current lineup. Has significantly improved his 3 point shooting the last two seasons, rebounds and defends pretty well, and is on a descending contract through 2028.

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West Texan said:

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"I think they're going to really be stocking their assets for potentially a bigger move, a bigger player, someone who may fit their timeline," via @ShamsCharania on SAS-Durant rumors (@PatMcAfeeShow ) #nba #porvida #sanantonio #gospursgo pic.twitter.com/kxla9uLaJQ

— JeffGSpursKENS5 (@JeffGSpursZone) June 17, 2025

Not sure who the bigger star that Shams thinks we're saving up for could be. All indications are that Giannis will stay in Milwaukee and no one else has really been made available.

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Yea. And Gianni's doesn't really fit our timeline. Imo the only other big star would be Anthony Edwards. He's not gonna be available. I think Shams is talking out of his ass.

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Don't look at Max players. Look at shooting forwards in their 20s. Deni, Camara, Trey, etc.

I don't think the Spurs want 3x Max players

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Trey would be amazing, but I think the Bane trade overinflated his value this year. I didn't realize that Deni is younger than Camara. He'd be a great fit with our current lineup. Has significantly improved his 3 point shooting the last two seasons, rebounds and defends pretty well, and is on a descending contract through 2028.

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Agree about Trey. Also, NOLA wants to build around him... UNLESS somehow Ace Bailey drops to 7. At that point, Trey for Devin and picks might make sense, because Zion, Ace, Trey, and Herb don't really all fit together.

Forwards that make sense for us descending by contract highest to lowest:

* Franz Wagner 38M, 23yo, 25% max
* MPJ 38M, 26yo, contract ends before Wemby's extension kicks in
* Scottie Barnes 38M, 23yo, 1st year of 5y224M next year, 25% max, contract overpriced
* Jalen Johnson 30M 23yo, 5y150M flat 30m/year
* Trey Murphy 28M 25yo, 4y112M 1st year next year
* JJJ 26yo, 26M, last year of contract
* Cam Johnson 29yo, 2y44M left
* Naz Reid 26yo Free Agent
* Deni Avdija 24yo 2nd year of declining 4y55M
* PJ Washington 27yo, ending contract 14M
* Herb Jones 27yo, 2y29M left
* Brandon Miller 23yo, rookie deal
* Alex Sarr 20yo rookie deal
* Keegan Murray 25yo, last year of rookie deal
* Sam Hauser 28yo first year of 4y45M
* Jarace Walker 22yo, rookie deal
* Toumani Camara 25yo min deal

Looking at that group, I think that MPJ makes the most sense for what we would have to pay for him vs what he could provide. But I think there could be a way to get PJ Washington from Dallas with how their roster is built up with AD, Flagg, Naji, etc. And Hauser could be a salary dump. I think Naz likely has a deal in place for Minnesota, but may be in flex depending on Durant. Prying Miller from Charlotte or Sarr from Washington seems very unlikely.

I have really come on board with the MPJ idea since you first mentioned it, especially if we can get away with not tossing a bunch of draft capital out the window. Something like:

Keldon, Barnes, Pick 14

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MPJ, Unprotected far future DEN 1st

Seems like it would work out for both teams.

Is the reason we want to trade Vassell because we are guard heavy with Fox, Castle, and now Harper? Haven't watched a lot of basketball last few years, but as a guy who averages over a steal a game, it seems like we would want to keep his 3pt and defense.

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Is the reason we want to trade Vassell because we are guard heavy with Fox, Castle, and now Harper? Haven't watched a lot of basketball last few years, but as a guy who averages over a steal a game, it seems like we would want to keep his 3pt and defense.

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We need to upgrade our forwards more than have Devin as a 4th guard at 27M.

I think you just drop the draft capital. Denver doesn't have much and doesn't want to give it up. Their only available is 2031. If they wanted to give that up for 14, sure. But I think they want to hold that back.

They dump Saric on us, too. 1y5M deal and he can probably be bought out.

Not against moving 14 for a future pick, but I am a fan of the D&3 forwards available like Bryant/Coward/Fleming.

I agree you would still take it with no picks involved, but I also like the idea of swapping the 14 for their 2031 pick and they could maybe enticed. They would essentially be moving MPJ plus Saric's bloated contract and a future pick to:

• Turn one competent player into three
• Get under the first apron

They may be able to be talked into that. I like the options at 14 too, but if you can get MPJ and pick up a far future first when Denver will be old and Wemby will be in his prime, I think you try to do that.

I mean eventually we're going to have to get this going and stop looking stockpiling future assets.

I think we've pretty much seen enough of Branham and Wesley. Mamu is also a FA. There's plenty of room for two rookies on this years roster. I think someone like Bryant or Coward has value for the Spurs at 14.

Ready for draft night to get here and see what's gonna go down.

One thing I wonder: If Rich Paul didn't force the Spurs to trade for Fox Mid-Season (we wanted to wait until the off-season) what would we have done with our assets after winning the lottery. Theoretically, we would have 2, 12, 14, 38, 42 in this draft. We have Vassell, Castle, Harper, which is pretty great. Are we going after Miller, Murphy, Wagner, Mobley, or JJJ? Do we consider Jaylen Brown? This summer would be so different.

Dejounte Murray says Gregg Popovich tried to use his own money to move Dejounte’s mom to San Antonio after finding out she had been shot

“It was so crazy—a lot of my people don’t even know this. From family, friends, and the penitentiary… Pop didn’t want me to go to Seattle.… pic.twitter.com/KIYb1QG5NQ

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) June 18, 2025

That's great. Why was Dejounte bashing the Org on his way out the door?

I think he was just really immature and wanted to stay with the Spurs.

Kevin Durant Tries To Join Wemby In San Antonio 😂 #nba #nbanews #nbamemes #sportsnews #sportsmemes pic.twitter.com/dFdWdjvi2X

— RiOT Comedy (@RiOTcomedy) June 17, 2025

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That's great. Why was Dejounte bashing the Org on his way out the door?

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People are complicated

Highest Foul Drawing Frequency On ISOs For The 2024-25 NBA Regular Season (Min. 100 Total ISO Possessions) :

1. Stephon Castle — 20.9%
2. Paolo Banchero — 20.5%
3. James Harden — 20.2%
4. Anthony Davis — 20.0%
5. Zion Williamson — 19.9%
6. Keyonte George —… https://t.co/VTngc1JMnC pic.twitter.com/2u9AYOLVbt

— Stat Defender (@statdefender) June 17, 2025

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Highest Foul Drawing Frequency On ISOs For The 2024-25 NBA Regular Season (Min. 100 Total ISO Possessions) :

1. Stephon Castle — 20.9%
2. Paolo Banchero — 20.5%
3. James Harden — 20.2%
4. Anthony Davis — 20.0%
5. Zion Williamson — 19.9%
6. Keyonte George —… https://t.co/VTngc1JMnC pic.twitter.com/2u9AYOLVbt

— Stat Defender (@statdefender) June 17, 2025

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This is pretty remarkable. Particularly as he didn't get any calls in the first half of the season.

Spurs not expected to go all in for Kevin Durant

So, you think we're getting to a point of either a best-and-brightest offer all the way around, or could you see a dark horse coming in heresomeone we haven't talked about?" Sam Amick: "Well, it's again the question of: does Kevin change his stance on any of the teams not on his list? Now, I keep making this distinction. My understanding is you have the listthe thing his camp chooses to leak to the mediaand then you have the real stuff, which is what Kevin is telling people. And we've come across some of that, and there's reason to believe he's looking at San Antonio above the rest. Now, as you know, Dave, because you and I lived it with the Fox trade, we just saw how the Spurs had zero intention or willingness to give up anything on their rosterlet alone anybody in their young core. I don't know that that has changed all that much. The way it's put to me: they're not going to go all in to get Kevin."

Playing the KD situation exactly as we should.

-We don't have to have Durant. He for sure makes us better and raises our floor, but I don't think he elevates us to title contenders.
-Phoenix is in a bad spot with KD. His list has really limited his market and overall trade value, plus they have an unofficial deadline of getting it done by the draft.
-the heat may have more incentive to try and pursue Durant, but they lack the ammo to make a compelling offer.
-the Spurs and rockets have the stuff to get the deal done, but both teams have no reason to give up key young players and multiple picks. Just keep holding the suns feet to the fire and see if they cave.

I think it makes a lot of sense for the Rockets because they need that key go to scorer, but I think that Durant's extension demands are too high for anyone except Golden State to meet, but they already gave that max extension to Jimmay.

No one in their right mind wants to guarantee 3y175M to Durant right now. That's how much he wants total including the upcoming year.

I honestly don't think even the 1y rental of Durant is worth Devin, Barnes, and 14. I don't think clearing those salaries will give us max cap space anyway with Harper/Wemby/Fox/Keldon/Castle/Sochan still on next year. If you could somehow do that and sign JJJ as a FA next summer, that would be amazing. But even so, we would have an insane cap problem the following year when Wemby's extension hits.

One draft lottery prospect reportedly refused to work out with the Hornets because he didn’t want to play with LaMelo Ball, per @mikelacett pic.twitter.com/g38BNB1QiN

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) June 19, 2025

Beyond hilarious.

I kind of hope they end up with Ace Bailey. Ace, Miller, Melo, all just jacking up bad shots for days.

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I think it makes a lot of sense for the Rockets because they need that key go to scorer, but I think that Durant's extension demands are too high for anyone except Golden State to meet, but they already gave that max extension to Jimmay.

No one in their right mind wants to guarantee 3y175M to Durant right now. That's how much he wants total including the upcoming year.

I honestly don't think even the 1y rental of Durant is worth Devin, Barnes, and 14. I don't think clearing those salaries will give us max cap space anyway with Harper/Wemby/Fox/Keldon/Castle/Sochan still on next year. If you could somehow do that and sign JJJ as a FA next summer, that would be amazing. But even so, we would have an insane cap problem the following year when Wemby's extension hits.

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You're the cap expert, so I'll ask you. Can you ballpark what our cap situation looks like if we were to give KD the 2 year max? I'm just not sure on everyone's contract timelines.

I know Fox is going to sign an extension soon. Sochan's rookie contract is about to be up and his possible extension. Wemby and Castle are both still on rookie deals, but will be eligible for extensions before too long.

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One draft lottery prospect reportedly refused to work out with the Hornets because he didn’t want to play with LaMelo Ball, per @mikelacett pic.twitter.com/g38BNB1QiN

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) June 19, 2025

Beyond hilarious.

I kind of hope they end up with Ace Bailey. Ace, Miller, Melo, all just jacking up bad shots for days.

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That whole family is a clown show.

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One draft lottery prospect reportedly refused to work out with the Hornets because he didn’t want to play with LaMelo Ball, per @mikelacett pic.twitter.com/g38BNB1QiN

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) June 19, 2025

Beyond hilarious.

I kind of hope they end up with Ace Bailey. Ace, Miller], Melo, all just jacking up bad shots for days.

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Saw a kid at my kid's basketball camp rocking a Hornets Miller jersey. Took me a while to figure out why, some Tide fan repping their guy. I get it. But it was still jarring to see.

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I think it makes a lot of sense for the Rockets because they need that key go to scorer, but I think that Durant's extension demands are too high for anyone except Golden State to meet, but they already gave that max extension to Jimmay.

No one in their right mind wants to guarantee 3y175M to Durant right now. That's how much he wants total including the upcoming year.

I honestly don't think even the 1y rental of Durant is worth Devin, Barnes, and 14. I don't think clearing those salaries will give us max cap space anyway with Harper/Wemby/Fox/Keldon/Castle/Sochan still on next year. If you could somehow do that and sign JJJ as a FA next summer, that would be amazing. But even so, we would have an insane cap problem the following year when Wemby's extension hits.

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You're the cap expert, so I'll ask you. Can you ballpark what our cap situation looks like if we were to give KD the 2 year max? I'm just not sure on everyone's contract timelines.

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This upcoming year 25-26 we would be fine and in 26-27, only Sochan's extension hits, and we would be fine.

In the 27-28 year, Wemby's extension would hit and we would owe about 94% of the cap to 39yo Durant+Wemby+Fox, assuming Wemby stays healthy.

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I know Fox is going to sign an extension soon. Sochan's rookie contract is about to be up and his possible extension. Wemby and Castle are both still on rookie deals, but will be eligible for extensions before too long.

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Sochan has 1 year left on rookie deal, Wemby 2 years, Castle 3 years, and Harper 4 years.

If Castle+Harper hit how we hope, I think we trade Fox in 3 years when he is 30 and has two years left on his contract. Then Castle's extension hits that year and Harper's the next.

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I think it makes a lot of sense for the Rockets because they need that key go to scorer, but I think that Durant's extension demands are too high for anyone except Golden State to meet, but they already gave that max extension to Jimmay.

No one in their right mind wants to guarantee 3y175M to Durant right now. That's how much he wants total including the upcoming year.

I honestly don't think even the 1y rental of Durant is worth Devin, Barnes, and 14. I don't think clearing those salaries will give us max cap space anyway with Harper/Wemby/Fox/Keldon/Castle/Sochan still on next year. If you could somehow do that and sign JJJ as a FA next summer, that would be amazing. But even so, we would have an insane cap problem the following year when Wemby's extension hits.

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You're the cap expert, so I'll ask you. Can you ballpark what our cap situation looks like if we were to give KD the 2 year max? I'm just not sure on everyone's contract timelines.

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This upcoming year 25-26 we would be fine and in 26-27, only Sochan's extension hits, and we would be fine.

In the 27-28 year, Wemby's extension would hit and we would owe about 94% of the cap to 39yo Durant+Wemby+Fox, assuming Wemby stays healthy.

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I know Fox is going to sign an extension soon. Sochan's rookie contract is about to be up and his possible extension. Wemby and Castle are both still on rookie deals, but will be eligible for extensions before too long.

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Sochan has 1 year left on rookie deal, Wemby 2 years, Castle 3 years, and Harper 4 years.

If Castle+Harper hit how we hope, I think we trade Fox in 3 years when he is 30 and has two years left on his contract. Then Castle's extension hits that year and Harper's the next.

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So if I'm understanding correctly, 27-28 we'd have very little maneuverability for the roster. But KD would be on the last year of his deal and the rest of the roster would still be intact for the most part. After that season, Durant's contract would come off the books and open things back up, so really only 1 season where we're stuck?

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I think it makes a lot of sense for the Rockets because they need that key go to scorer, but I think that Durant's extension demands are too high for anyone except Golden State to meet, but they already gave that max extension to Jimmay.

No one in their right mind wants to guarantee 3y175M to Durant right now. That's how much he wants total including the upcoming year.

I honestly don't think even the 1y rental of Durant is worth Devin, Barnes, and 14. I don't think clearing those salaries will give us max cap space anyway with Harper/Wemby/Fox/Keldon/Castle/Sochan still on next year. If you could somehow do that and sign JJJ as a FA next summer, that would be amazing. But even so, we would have an insane cap problem the following year when Wemby's extension hits.

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You're the cap expert, so I'll ask you. Can you ballpark what our cap situation looks like if we were to give KD the 2 year max? I'm just not sure on everyone's contract timelines.

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This upcoming year 25-26 we would be fine and in 26-27, only Sochan's extension hits, and we would be fine.

In the 27-28 year, Wemby's extension would hit and we would owe about 94% of the cap to 39yo Durant+Wemby+Fox, assuming Wemby stays healthy.

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I know Fox is going to sign an extension soon. Sochan's rookie contract is about to be up and his possible extension. Wemby and Castle are both still on rookie deals, but will be eligible for extensions before too long.

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Sochan has 1 year left on rookie deal, Wemby 2 years, Castle 3 years, and Harper 4 years.

If Castle+Harper hit how we hope, I think we trade Fox in 3 years when he is 30 and has two years left on his contract. Then Castle's extension hits that year and Harper's the next.

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So if I'm understanding correctly, 27-28 we'd have very little maneuverability for the roster. But KD would be on the last year of his deal and the rest of the roster would still be intact for the most part. After that season, Durant's contract would come off the books and open things back up, so really only 1 season where we're stuck?

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We would be a 2nd apron team paying a ton of tax and it would limit our ability to acquire players, trade, etc.

Durant would come off the books, but it wouldn't open up money per se, it would just get out of the aprons.

And we are talking about like $65M for a 39yo Durant. He missed 20 games this year including all of April as a 36yo and has averaged 54games/year for the last 6 seasons. How much do you want to trust him to be the highest paid player in the league when he is 39?

The other thing is - who is going to be a better mentor? Durant who has made a toxic situation every single place he has ever played, even GSW, or Harrison Barnes the iron man? What if Durant doesn't like Mitch Johnson? He's had like 7 coaches fired in his career.

I just don't trust Durant to:
1. Not be toxic
2. be healthy

It's been brought up in tons of posts, but Durant's age is a huge concern. Beyond the increased risk of injury, almost every player in the history of the NBA has declined in their mid to late 30s. Sometimes these declines have come so fast that players went from stars to out of the league in 1-2 years.

Durant's height and shooting ability should keep him more viable than most, but you pay 50 million for prime KD, not declining KD. Sure, if he wanted to play for what Barnes makes, he's a huge upgrade even as he ages, but at 50+ that's a recipe for disaster.

Remember when the idiot Nets were excited to acquire KG and Paul Pierce? They gave away multiple high draft picks, paid those guys a ton of money and didn't win *****

Thanks soup. Didn't realize it would make us a 2nd apron team.

"I think the Spurs feel really good about that number 2 pick & Dylan Harper has already met with them..

The Spurs have interest in Kevin Durant & they have talked to the Suns..

If another players hits the market they have the assets to make a deal" ~ @ShamsCharania #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/NtkHgOPvEG

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) June 19, 2025

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Thanks soup. Didn't realize it would make us a 2nd apron team.

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It would not be set in stone, but I don't see a way around it.