Cued up to Bowen talking about Harper. 47m40s

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Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):

6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands pic.twitter.com/uy03UIAIUp

— Jon Chepkevich (@JonChep) June 13, 2025

Wingspan isn't overly impressive because he has pretty narrow shoulders. That' 9'1" standing reach is very impressive. More than Rasheer Fleming (7'6" wingspan), Danny Wolf, Thomas Sorber, and one quarter inch less than Maxime Raynaud.

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If we keep 14 I wouldn't at all be opposed to taking a swing on his potential. 6'10" barefoot and the way he moves up and down the court is incredible.

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Noa Essengue | 6-10 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm

Eastern Conference executive No. 3: He's coming on real strong. They're going to play deep into the playoffs, and he has a really, really good role. He's shooting the ball better. The getting to the rim and stuff like that, he's been good at that. He has some pretty freakish dimensions. He has a bunch of kids that he grew up playing with, and they're all having success. Arguably, he's more talented than them. He's more talented than (Zaccharie) Risacher. If you had those guys in a gym together, Noa's more talented. He does things and you're like, damn, he's like Scottie Pippen. It'll be a team like Washington that's patient and can wait, but in a year or two, people are gonna be like, "He went, what? Nine? Ten?"
He actually has a decent feel. He can attack a closeout and get to the rim, and he can make an open shot. You can hide him as your fifth-best player in a starting lineup. He can guard his yard, and at the other end, you can't not guard him. He'll cut and he'll put it on your head. And if you don't guard him, he can make a catch-and-shoot shot. He's kind of safe in the way that he's not gonna bust. His worst-case scenario, he's a long 3-and-D guy that has a good feel to pass the ball and cut. The upside is, when the ball skills start to come and the defense starts to come … once he puts on weight, he'll be able to guard bigs. … Low key, he was talking s (at Ratiopharm). His buddy (guard Ben Saraf) was struggling. He was, like, let me help you out with this. These kids started coming at him, and he was like, "Nah, you can't get your shot off against me." He's long, he has quick feet. If his mentality is right, he comes over to the NBA and looks around and starts to measure himself and goes, "I'm better than a lot of these MFs." If he has that mentality, be careful with him.

Eastern Conference executive No. 4: He's playing better at home in the playoffs than on the road. Long, athletic, can run. He's been, for lack of a better term, very French over the years, but he's playing with more effort. I've just seen too many times him not impacting the game like he should. Somebody is going to take him and bet on the upside. He can impact the game just by running the floor. I just can't trust that he's going to play hard. All of a sudden, we're two months out from the draft, and he starts playing great.

Western Conference executive No. 3: The wild card of the draft. Long wingspan, high motor. Needs to develop his body. Kid has some (Pippen) in him. He's my wild card in this draft. Can go anywhere from (No.) 5 to 15, I think. Hard worker. Will develop an offensive game eventually because of how dedicated he is.

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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6430848/2025/06/19/nba-draft-confidential-wings-2025/

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The Pelicans’ alleged asking price for Trey Murphy III:

• One veteran who can contribute in the playoffs
• One young prospect with potential
• Multiple first-round picks

(Via @DoingItDodson / h/t @Fullcourtpass ) pic.twitter.com/4OhjZl9ZFT

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) June 13, 2025

Keldon Johnson, Malaki Branham, 14 and the 2029 1st. Done deal.

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I get the feeling that some team will overpay for Trey Murphy the way the Knicks did for Bridges.

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Why I hope Carter Bryant falls to us. I think Bryant could be Trey.

If I am picking right now, I pick Trey over Bridges and the Knicks trade for Bridges was insane then and even more ridiculous now. We paid WAY LESS for Fox, who has been top 20 in scoring for the last 6 years, led the NBA in steals and has been All-NBA.

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Carter Bryant | 6-7 wing | 19 years old | Arizona

College assistant coach No. 6 (his team played Arizona): We go to Arizona, and we got there two hours before, a little earlier than we usually do. I just watched him go through his routine, and I was like, "Oh, this dude's a pro." He's out there, nobody else out there. One-foot hops. He's going through it. I was like, this guy's got a routine to his game. And he was coming off the bench. He plays, whatever, 20 minutes a game. He's big, good shoulders. You can tell. Obviously, he's not getting the volume of shots and everything you want, but probably, for his benefit, if he was, he'd probably have gotten exposed a little bit more. So, it was like, OK, this is my role: I catch and shoot shots, I make 3s. For a freshman, it was ideal as it's gonna get. They didn't give him a ton, so what he got, he made shots. I'd bet he's going to be a good pro. He'll figure it out. He's got a good base to him. But I do remember, specifically, the routine.

Eastern Conference scout No. 1: He's tricky. What we knew about him before the season started didn't change. He's got a great body. They did him a favor because they played him at four, and he didn't have to dribble. He's a good passer, and his rebounding stood out because he had to rebound at the four. But you don't want him to be a four in the NBA. He can shoot 3s, and he's a potentially switchable defender. And, he can pass. Maybe he has to play four at the beginning.
Keegan Murray had been in school for five years. We knew more about him. That might be what Carter's role is. There's intrigue with him, like there was with Peyton Watson. You have to go with what you know. The analytics people say you look at his per 36s, and they're unbelievable. But the more he plays, do his weaknesses become more apparent? College coaches aren't stupid. Some of them may be bad people, but they want to win. If they thought Carter Bryant could help them win, they would play him.

Eastern Conference executive No. 2: More quiet, on the reserved side. But when you watch him play, he does a lot of things that impact winning. Blend player. Not somebody who's going to break you down like Nique Clifford, but he has the potential to do more. Consistency was an issue coming out of high school. Very willing and aware to do what helps the team. You look at the box score and you say, "This kid's a first-round pick?" But then you watch him play. His shot's fluid, especially in spot-up situations. He's not somebody who'll create his own shots, at least his first few years in the league. He's good at relocating to open space. His shot comes out of his hand really well, and the defense is high-level. He moves really well. He's long; he has a frame that's going to be able to hold contact. Everybody can use a guy like him.

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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6430848/2025/06/19/nba-draft-confidential-wings-2025/

Haven't listened yet but have been looking forward to this one.

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Haven't listened yet but have been looking forward to this one.

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I listen to a lot of it and it was kind of disappointing. A lot was how they were all in for Giannis but then they also thought we should go after someone like NAW. Bro we have 4 rotational guards either now, we need size not another 190lb guard

Yea it was pretty underwhelming. The scenario about cornering the Giannis market with a NOLA trade for Milwaukee picks where we would have to give up 14 and a swap for a 27 MIL 1st and 26 swap. No thanks.

Celtics fans might be more delusional than Lakers fans. They're trying to say that Shams reported the Spurs were putting crazy offers like this on the table for Brown

The Spurs are not giving up 3 rotational players and 6 picks for Jaylen Brown…

Also goofy how the trade doesn't even include Boston's pick swap back.

Lol that has to be a troll right.

Make it stop (dumb trade ideas).

That's one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6435925/2025/06/20/nba-draft-confidential-bigs-centers-2025/

Aldridge talks bigs:

Thomas Sorber | 6-9 big | 19 years old | Georgetown

College assistant coach No. 6 (his team played Georgetown): He's not terribly tall. I thought, for a young big guy, his motor was incredible. A lot of times, young big guys don't play quite hard enough. He had a grown man's motor as a freshman. You look at his face, you can tell he was a baby; he has the braces. He's so young. But he plays hard. Great face-up game. But I was impressed with his motor. Against us, we were fronting, he had a catch and finish like, holy s. He's talented. I think he has the touch to kind of extend his range out. He's a pretty good jump shooter. He just shot 15-footers, face-ups and that kind of stuff. I think he's got the touch to be able to extend his range. To be able to play that hard, and if he can shoot it some, I like his progression. That's something he'll have to work on. But I don't think he's far off from what his NBA game, or style should be a hard-playing four who can stretch it.
He's not a center at the next level. He's not a 7-foot monster like some of those guys are. He battles in the post. … He's not a true center. I don't think he can guard a (Nikola) Joki. He can guard Myles Turner, probably. But not the bigger centers. Defensively, he contested shots. He was good in ball screens. They did some zone, they did some switching. The effort was there. His motor was real, his talent was real.

College assistant coach No. 7: He played in, what, 20 games, 23 games, before he got hurt? He's got a chance to be really good. He's really skilled. Thinks the game. But he's got a lot of stuff to work on. … He's a good athlete, but he's not a great athlete. He reminds me of a David West type, eventually. David could pass, he was pretty skilled, smart.

Danny Wolf | 6-11 big | 21 years old | Michigan
Eastern Conference executive No. 2: If you're a fan, you think this is the next Kelly Olynyk. He can think the game, he can pass, he can shoot some. My problem with him is he's (6-11) and he's physical, and he plays like he's 6-6. He does up-and-unders instead of just going over guys. He wants to pass and make plays. It would be one thing if he was a great shooter. He's not a great shooter.
College assistant coach No. 3 (his team played Michigan): What they want you to do is drop coverage where he and (Vladislav) Golden can do screen and roll at the elbow. Look at his turnovers. He's a very high turnover machine, because he can't go left very well. He can shoot 3s, so that does translate. He can bring it up as a five. He told Michigan I won't come there if you make me play five. He didn't want to guard fives in college. He did, five-10 minutes a game, but they had Golden. In order for him to be a mismatch, he's got to play the five in the NBA. He is a late developer. He's much better than he was two or three years ago.

Joan Beringer | 6-11 big | 18 years old | Cedevita
Eastern Conference executive No. 3: Very, very new to the game. Big (kid). Light on his feet. Shot blocker. High motor. The offensive part is gonna be a wait. Right now, he's a vertical spacer, lob catcher. Just dunks everything around the rim. He's only been competitively playing the last five years. …It's been good for him to leave France and get away from that sort of thing, and now he's in Slovenia. Perfect work conditions. Lives two or three blocks from the gym. Someone might (take) him in the teens. Really, his talent level, he's supposed to be a late 20s guy, maybe mid-20s guy, just with his inexperience. But a big body, live body. You're going to hear from him. Offensively, he's a ways away. But he does have decent instincts.
Eastern Conference executive No. 2: Saw him last year at the Under-18s in Finland. Still very raw. But he's come a long way from where he was last year. If you think about Jarrett Allen in college, and just how raw he was, that's what he reminds me of. If you're a fan of his, that's how you have to project him. Just started playing two or three years ago. Good pick and roll defense. There's not a lot there (offensively). You throw it at the rim and he catches it.
Western Conference executive No. 2: Raw, young, rim protector and rebounding will keep him around. Solid motor. That kid is a dog, man. He's a horse. He just works all the time. He's just starting to play. Whoever gets him is going to have rim protection, rebounder. And he asks questions. Very smart kid. His hands aren't really the greatest, but he can catch the ball in the dunker's spot.

Ryan Kalkbrenner | 7-1 big | 23 years old | Creighton

College assistant coach No. 7 (his team played Creighton): I like him. It's tough, because defensively, and I know he kept winning Defensive Player of the Year, but he never left the paint. He changed shots around the basket. I think his offensive game got better. I don't think he's the athlete, mobility guy, that Zach Edey is. But it's legit size. You just can't bypass that. Their system now maybe, he can do more than he was able to show, based on how they utilized him in their system. He was basically a screen roll guy. But you never really were able to see what he had in his bag. Edey has a little edge to him. I'm not sure Ryan has that.

Western Conference scout No. 1: He's big as s, long as f. Standing reach over nine feet. His interview was spectacular in Chicago. Really bright dude; really smart man. It's hard not to like him. And he's a five-year guy. He's a drop coverage guy, which is fine. But he's a Jakob Poeltl type. He's got some bulk. Three blocks a game this year and three blocks a game last year. Sometimes, you just need competence. You don't need another star.

Maxime Raynaud | 7-0 center | 22 years old | Stanford
Western Conference scout No. 2: Somebody's gonna get a star in him. Got better each year. A good team is gonna get him, and people are gonna be 'How did they get him?' He's got to get stronger, but he can post up, he can pass, he's got the jump hooks, both hands. Turnaround J. He can step out and shoot 3s. And he can put it on the floor. (Donovan) Clingan went seven (in last year's draft). Zach Edey went nine. Other than (Edey) being bigger, (Raynaud's) more skilled than both of them put together.
Western Conference scout No. 1: Hates to be touched. In the playoffs, the way they let you play, you've got to get used to a bit of manhandling. Has some talent. He's like Luke Kornet. Could shoot the ball, great hands, but hated to be touched. He had to learn. Took him a while, but now he's a serviceable player. (Raynaud's) better than Kornet, but he's going to have to find somebody who values his finesse.

Rocco Zikarsky | 7-3 big | 18 years old | Brisbane Bullets
Western Conference executive No. 4: There's not a lot to go on. The numbers (in Brisbane) weren't staggering. But his size, and he's young and he blocks shots you're betting on that. These big foreigners, you have to expend a pick on them. You're not getting them in the G League. And you don't lose the value of those guys (if they stay overseas for a year or two after getting drafted) because you keep their rights.
Eastern Conference executive No. 3: He was supposed to be the prize of the class. Even if he keeps his name in, he probably goes late second round. He just hasn't done enough to warrant a first-round pick. And with bigs and injuries, they want to see proof of life. I don't want to see some big guy that's been hurt half the season, and is now pushing himself into the draft.

Jalen Brown isn't even good enough to live up to his current contract. What a farce.

LawHall88 posted Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue above, but here is Cedric Coward:

Cedric Coward | 6-5 wing | 21 years old | Washington State

College head coach No. 3 (his team played Eastern Washington while Coward was there): He was a COVID kid, graduated from high school in 2021. We knew he had already played at Eastern for a year and had modest numbers but made the transition pretty well. I popped on the scout tape, getting ready to play them. First thing I told my staff was, "Guys, this guy might be an NBA player." His measurables, the way he moves were so smooth and fluid. I just loved him. I had such a man crush on his game. We were fortunate when we competed against them. The way we played defense against their system really helped us when we played them. … I was not surprised at all he started climbing up draft boards the last 16 months. Humble kid. Easy to root for.

When he gets on the floor with more good players around him, more spacing and close-out situations, I think a lot of his college basketball was played in these compartments of post-ups and 3-point shots. He doesn't seem like a bad ballhandler. I just think there's a lot more to his game. … He got a lot of layups posting people up with his size. And the turnaround jumper, he's got that kind of natural, old-school MJ fade to his game. And he's really become a consistent 3-point shooter. I didn't think they really featured him like you'd think they'd feature an NBA player. Like Dillon Jones at Weber State, the whole deal ran through him. He had the ball in his hands the whole time. One of the benefits of Cedric being in that system, though, is that he'll know how to fit into a team. That's probably one of the things people value about him. He's a freak in terms of his measurables, and he just fits in with good players.

College assistant coach No. 5 (his team played Eastern Washington while Coward was there): I saw him a ton. We had Dalton Knecht in the league, and Cedric was in the league as a sophomore. He was good. But then that second year, Knecht went to Tennessee. We also had Dillon Jones from Weber State. I think Cedric Coward is better than these guys. … (Coward) can hit you from 3, he can post you up. He worked on his handle and the little things you saw before you played them. They're running 17s before the game. He had a pro mentality from afar. When you look at his measurables, he's got long arms. Kind of plays like a pro. His coach at Washington State, they ran a lot of intricate stuff, and he could really pick it up. He could score at all facets of their offense, which was like a kind of five-out deal. I was like, that's a pro. You could see it. … On the court, he was an SOB. He lets you know about it on the court. When they got in trouble, they put him on the point.

Liam McNeeley:

Liam McNeeley | 6-7 wing | 19 years old | Connecticut
College assistant coach No. 7 (his team played UConn): I'm not as high on him as most people are. I was talking to somebody and one of the scouts came and I was like, "I don't know." He said, "Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying." He's a little heavy-legged. I don't know who he's guarding. He was the guy we went at defensively. We wanted to try and attack him defensively. I like Knueppel better than him. I know he's got great size and is skilled. I just didn't see it like that. He's a good player, but I didn't think he was a lottery pick.
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College assistant coach No. 8 (his team played UConn): His size is terrific. Kind of an old-school senior (type of) player, not afraid to take a shot, make a shot and bark at the bench. For a young kid, he had that more than I anticipated. I expected more of that from a guy like Alex Karaban, who's seasoned, a national champion, all of that stuff. But (McNeeley) had a lot of that pretty early on, and that was impressive.

His size is real. He's tall and long. I was most impressed with the brass … he showed, being so young, so early in his conference season. He was the real deal in that regard. His playmaking ability at his size is terrific. He can see reads and make passes over people. His combination of size, playmaking ability, shooting and bravado for such a young player, I was incredibly impressed with that. Stephon Castle, the year before, he didn't even really have that. We dared Castle to make 3s. He was struggling to shoot it. … McNeeley, it was the complete opposite. He was almost like, this is my s from the jump ball. I was blown away by that.

He was fine (defensively). We tried to pick on him with some off-ball stuff, and he tried. He had some of your normal freshman deficiencies: all the size and length, but he's not terribly strong. He's competitive, so it's not for a lack of trying. He's not shying away from bar fights, but he's not winning many.

Eastern Conference executive No. 2: UConn didn't have a true point guard this year, so they needed him to play in a little more pick-and-roll than he's probably comfortable with. I think it was a challenge for him … playing with four other first-round picks. It was tough in that type of offense they run. He was coming off screens, cutting and then coming off secondary pick-and-rolls. It was an adjustment, but he showed he could run some second-side stuff. Elite 3-point shooter. His 3-point percentage this year (.317) won't show it, but at Montverde, he shot 45 percent from 3. The 3-point percentage you saw at UConn, you might as well throw that out. He's a lot better than what he shot this year.

Rasheer Fleming | 6-8 forward | 20 years old | Saint Joseph's

College head coach No. 6 (his team played Saint Joseph's): Young for his grade. His shooting, it really impressed me not just his shooting, but his movement shooting. If there was any criticism, it's his physicality and the way he looks. He plays like more of a skill guy. If you look at his rebounding and his 30 work numbers, he may have it in him. It's not the way they played, necessarily. They're asking him to do it, but not demanding him to do it. He looks like he belongs on Houston's team, but he doesn't play like that. Bump screens, and he just buried 3s against us. You take his body and his shooting, and the answer's yes.

College head coach No. 7 (his team played Saint Joseph's): Honestly, their guards were our primary concern. Their two guards are just so dynamic. … Fleming's ability at his size to shoot the ball and he has such a big body he was a tough matchup. With the spacing they had, you had to play him one-on-one. Their system allowed the NBA scouts to see what the transition would be like for him. He was able to showcase his ability to shoot. His first year, he really wasn't on the scouting report. You say he's a freshman and he's going to be good, but how good? By the time he became a sophomore and a junior, you knew he was there. Our focus on him was if we could take away the catch-and-shoot, take away the straight line drives, we'd have success. He had games against us when he scored well, but we had success against their team. For me, I think his skill set will translate to the next level. He's big, he's physical, and at his size, he can shoot the ball. I think he'll have to be a better defender, just understanding he's playing against the best players in the world now. He's got the tools to do it; he has to buy into it, though.

I'm not sure this would get it done. We should send Fox too.

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Celtics fans might be more delusional than Lakers fans. They're trying to say that Shams reported the Spurs were putting crazy offers like this on the table for Brown

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I'm not sure this would get it done. We should send Fox too.

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Celtics fans might be more delusional than Lakers fans. They're trying to say that Shams reported the Spurs were putting crazy offers like this on the table for Brown

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**** it Wemby for Al Horford who says no

I haven't been big on Coward but I like this.

Love it whenever a player like Cedric Coward takes pride in their defense. 😈 pic.twitter.com/KpoIbGjUlI

— Duke Central (@duke_central) April 20, 2025

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LawHall88 posted Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue above, but here is Cedric Coward:

Cedric Coward | 6-5 wing | 21 years old | Washington State

… I was not surprised at all he started climbing up draft boards the last 16 months. Humble kid. Easy to root for.

… On the court, he was an SOB. He lets you know about it on the court. When they got in trouble, they put him on the point.

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Gotta love comments like these.

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LawHall88 posted Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue above, but here is Cedric Coward:

Cedric Coward | 6-5 wing | 21 years old | Washington State

… I was not surprised at all he started climbing up draft boards the last 16 months. Humble kid. Easy to root for.

… On the court, he was an SOB. He lets you know about it on the court. When they got in trouble, they put him on the point.

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Yeah, I'm big on Coward. And wings with 7'2 wingpans that can stroke the three like him (.392, .383, .400 in his three college seasons) have a pretty high hit rate.

His move up the boards from unknown to fringe lottery seems a LOT like small school west coast junior Jalen Williams. JDub put up 18/4/4 his junior year at Santa Clara on 51/39/81 shooting. Coward put up 18/7/4 at Wazzu on 57/40/84 shooting.

Watch those interviews and see what the scouts say. He's absolutely a take.

And add to that he was one of the best tested athletes at the combine.

He's about the same size as Castle, but with a 39" vertical, 10" hands and a better wingspan than every non-center this year except Fleming. Even guys like Essengue and Raynaud had smaller wingspans.

Castle's wingspan is 5-6" less than Coward at the same height. Castle's hands were 8.75". His vertical was 37.5"

Lol, I'm still relatively high on Queen (though not as much after his poor athletic testing, but CBS's latest mock has him going to Atlanta.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2025-nba-mock-draft-baylors-vj-edgecombe-makes-late-jump-dukes-kon-knueppel-cracks-top-five/

I can't imagine a worse place for him to land outside of Charlotte or Washington.

Also Tre Johnson to Charlotte, lol again, Ball, Miller and Johnson would all be rushing up court to see who could take the worst shot.

Also to add, at this point, I want 14 to be any one of Essengue, Bryant or Coward and I'll be happy.

I think the odds are highly in our favor that at least one of those guys is still there at 14.

If they are all gone then Fleming would be my next guy, but I think we could move back 5 spots and still grab him.

Tre+Melo+Miller would be hilarious.

Ace falling out of the top 5 seems inevitable.

Egor to the Bulls when they have Giddey makes no sense.

Wolf to us is completely trash. Especially with Fleming and Coward on the board and them being the next two picks. Oh well, at least we got the big white stiff that can't play defense and has a questionable 3pt shot. We were missing that archetype after the Zach Collins trade.


Washington takes a SF shooter at #8 so who do they take at 18? You got it, Liam McNeeley. Seems like a perfect spot for Traore or Sorber to rotate with Sarr with the possibility that Sarr and Sorber fit together really well. PLUS you keep the Georgetown kid in DC. Sorber+Sarr+Bailey+Bilal+Poole actually makes some sense and has a ton of size.

They had Drake Powell at 30 to the Clippers. I would absolutely take him at 38 even if we take a wing like Coward at 14.

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Also to add, at this point, I want 14 to be any one of Essengue, Bryant or Coward and I'll be happy.

I think the odds are highly in our favor that at least one of those guys is still there at 14.

If they are all gone then Fleming would be my next guy, but I think we could move back 5 spots and still grab him.

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I think one of Essengue, Bryant, or Coward will be there. But if not, agree to try to move down to 19 or 21 and pick up an extra pick from BKN or Utah.

I would move to that 19-23 range and take Fleming, Sorber, McNeeley, or even Beringer.

Coward, Bryant, Fleming at 14 is kind of where I'm at. Fleming kind of only makes sense if the Spurs are unsure about Sochan and his long term outlook on the team.

I think Wolf would be a nice fit but don't like the idea of using 14 on him. Moving back to get him would be something I would consider.

Or you can just try to get a Center like Kalbrenner or Yang at 38.

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Coward, Bryant, Fleming at 14 is kind of where I'm at. Fleming kind of only makes sense if the Spurs are unsure about Sochan and his long term outlook on the team.

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I actually think the fit with Fleming and Sochan is perfect. You just use Fleming off ball for screens and spotting up. Fleming is a true PF that rebounds and Sochan really needs to be guarding the perimeter. Then you can go with a really big defense lineup with Wemby, Fleming, Sochan, and then maybe Julian and Castle if you somehow need more size.

I think that the 6'10 240lb with 7'6 PF that shoots 39% from threes and guards inside and outside is the perfect forward mate for Sochan. Sochan guards wings and the other forward has to be able to shoot.

Being able to play Wemby+Fleming+Jeremy should upgrade the rebounding a lot.

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I think Wolf would be a nice fit but don't like the idea of using 14 on him. Moving back to get him would be something I would consider.

Or you can just try to get a Center like Kalbrenner or Yang at 38.

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I just think Wolf is another Collins with better ball skills. I dont believe in his defense at all. I like Kalkbrenner a lot, but think he will go in the 20s.

Most total bench points scored in a single postseason. pic.twitter.com/7tOUuHEXJr

— Todd Whitehead (@CrumpledJumper) June 21, 2025

Man I miss the Beautiful Game Spurs.

More evidence to not consolidate into 3 stars. Depth is so key.

That 14 team had 9 guys that could come in and positively affect the game from their IQ, to shooting, to defense.

I just don't believe in Jeremy's shooting enough to play him anywhere but the 4 so it becomes redundant to me.

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I just don't believe in Jeremy's shooting enough to play him anywhere but the 4 so it becomes redundant to me.

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How is it redundant? On offense, you have Fleming shooting threes and Sochan acting like the PF as a screener/roller.

On defense, you have Fleming guarding the PFs while Jeremy does what he does best as a perimeter defender.

It's the ideal pairing.

I think Fleming can turn into a solid stretch 4 but he's not coming in the league being Doug McDermott from 3. His shot mechanics need work and he's going to have to work on his shot to be reliable from outside. It's not a for sure thing.

I like him for his size, defense and rebounding. All things said about Jeremy when he was taken. He's shown he can shoot a solid percentage in college so his shot should translate better but it still needs work.

No draftee is a sure thing. But the fit of his theoretical archetype is excellent for the Spurs.

I think we end up with Coward if we use it.

I just dont like Sochan at the 3. In fact, I'm not sure if I would extend him at all. This is a big season for him but if his shooting splits don't improve drastically then I'm not sure what his future looks like.

In fact, I would argue Fleming at the 4 and Vassell at the 3 is a better "fit" in today's nba. Especially if Castle is out there to be your POA defender.

Until Sochan can consistently shoot he shouldn't be playing on the perimeter. Makes things way too difficult on offense for everyone else.

Kyle Mann (again on Lowe) said that Sorber is going to the Spurs or OKC. Also said that there's some interest in Beringer.

Interesting that OKC currently has 15 full roster spots with Jwill and Mitchell having team options. Likely going to have those guys fall off if they want to make room for a draft pick this year.

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Kyle Mann (again on Lowe) said that Sorber is going to the Spurs or OKC. Also said that there's some interest in Beringer.

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I've been higher than consensus for a long time, but think I would still take Carter Bryant or Cedric Coward over him.

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Interesting that OKC currently has 15 full roster spots with Jwill and Mitchell having team options. Likely going to have those guys fall off if they want to make room for a draft pick this year.

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And they have the 15th and 24th picks. Obviously some trades going down, but I would absolutely pick up JWill from them.