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AggieEP
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Smeghead4761 said:

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Thinking about HOFers....how many World Series champions that didn't have a HOFer on the roster?

Starting in '00 and going backwards, most have at least two.

1997 Marlins - 0 - but could make the case Sheffield should be but isn't because of steroids

The 1988 Dodgers barely with 43 year old Don Sutton on the roster

1981 Dodgers - 0

The Dodgera are saved by Don Sutton again in 1978....but he was at least a contributor on that squad

That's all I see going back to the 50s
A couple of years more recent that your search, but there weren't any on the 2002 Angels. Actually, at the current time, neither team in that Series has a HoF player. I would guess that Dusty Baker will get in eventually as a manager.

Probably a bit recent to for the 2015 Royals to be really looked at.

With the 2010-2012-2014 Giants, I really only see one - Buster Posey.


MadBum might get a look for the postseason dominance, but agreed that Posey is the most likely from those squads.

Re: the 2015 Royals, all main contributors from that roster are out of baseball except for Salvy. He's the only possible HOF from that team, and I tend to think that he likely gets in with another good year or two.

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AggieEP said:

Smeghead4761 said:

AgRyan04 said:

Thinking about HOFers....how many World Series champions that didn't have a HOFer on the roster?

Starting in '00 and going backwards, most have at least two.

1997 Marlins - 0 - but could make the case Sheffield should be but isn't because of steroids

The 1988 Dodgers barely with 43 year old Don Sutton on the roster

1981 Dodgers - 0

The Dodgera are saved by Don Sutton again in 1978....but he was at least a contributor on that squad

That's all I see going back to the 50s
A couple of years more recent that your search, but there weren't any on the 2002 Angels. Actually, at the current time, neither team in that Series has a HoF player. I would guess that Dusty Baker will get in eventually as a manager.

Probably a bit recent to for the 2015 Royals to be really looked at.

With the 2010-2012-2014 Giants, I really only see one - Buster Posey.


MadBum might get a look for the postseason dominance, but agreed that Posey is the most likely from those squads.

Re: the 2015 Royals, all main contributors from that roster are out of baseball except for Salvy. He's the only possible HOF from that team, and I tend to think that he likely gets in with another good year or two.


Would you count Bruce Bochy, who I think has a very good chance to go in as a manager, especially after guiding the Rangers to a title as well?
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AgRyan04 said:

Thinking about HOFers....how many World Series champions that didn't have a HOFer on the roster?

Starting in '00 and going backwards, most have at least two.

1997 Marlins - 0 - but could make the case Sheffield should be but isn't because of steroids

The 1988 Dodgers barely with 43 year old Don Sutton on the roster

1981 Dodgers - 0

The Dodgera are saved by Don Sutton again in 1978....but he was at least a contributor on that squad

That's all I see going back to the 50s
I think that Kevin Brown should be in and will eventually. You could make the case for Orel Hershiser and Kevin Appier with some of the garbage that has gotten in recent years.
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AggieEP said:

I can see the 2015 Royals team maybe finishing with no HOFs, the only guy with any sort of chance is Salvador Perez.

ETA that Salvy will be an interesting HOF case because of an extremely low career WAR matched with a likable guy with lots of accolades.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that Perez gets the vote. He was the best catcher of the 2010's. He'll have at least 9 all star selections and 5 gold gloves.
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hawk1689 said:

AgRyan04 said:

Thinking about HOFers....how many World Series champions that didn't have a HOFer on the roster?

Starting in '00 and going backwards, most have at least two.

1997 Marlins - 0 - but could make the case Sheffield should be but isn't because of steroids

The 1988 Dodgers barely with 43 year old Don Sutton on the roster

1981 Dodgers - 0

The Dodgera are saved by Don Sutton again in 1978....but he was at least a contributor on that squad

That's all I see going back to the 50s
I think that Kevin Brown should be in and will eventually. You could make the case for Orel Hershiser and Kevin Appier with some of the garbage that has gotten in recent years.


There are a SLEW of guys in that next tier that are licking their chops thanks to Jack Morris and Sabathia.

Just off the top of my head....
Luis Tiant
Kevin Brown
Oral Hershiser
Kevin Appier
Rick Sutcliffe
Bret Saberhagen
David Cone
Doc Gooden
Fernando Valenzuela
Andy Pettite
Dave Stewart
Roy Oswalt
Carlos Zambrano
Johan Santana
Yu Darvish
Mike Hampton
Tim Lincecum
Barry Zito
Jon Lester
Corey Kluber
Jacob deGrom
Blake Snell
David Price
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AgRyan04 said:

hawk1689 said:

AgRyan04 said:

Thinking about HOFers....how many World Series champions that didn't have a HOFer on the roster?

Starting in '00 and going backwards, most have at least two.

1997 Marlins - 0 - but could make the case Sheffield should be but isn't because of steroids

The 1988 Dodgers barely with 43 year old Don Sutton on the roster

1981 Dodgers - 0

The Dodgera are saved by Don Sutton again in 1978....but he was at least a contributor on that squad

That's all I see going back to the 50s
I think that Kevin Brown should be in and will eventually. You could make the case for Orel Hershiser and Kevin Appier with some of the garbage that has gotten in recent years.


There are a SLEW of guys in that next tier that are licking their chops thanks to Jack Morris and Sabathia.

Just off the top of my head....
Luis Tiant
Kevin Brown
Oral Hershiser
Kevin Appier
Rick Sutcliffe
Bret Saberhagen
David Cone
Doc Gooden
Fernando Valenzuela
Andy Pettite
Dave Stewart
Roy Oswalt
Carlos Zambrano
Johan Santana
Yu Darvish
Mike Hampton
Tim Lincecum
Barry Zito
Jon Lester
Corey Kluber
Jacob deGrom
Blake Snell
David Price
Can't argue that...except maybe Sutcliffe, Zambrano, and Zito!

I think Schilling needs to go in ahead of all of them.
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This is tedious…

In 1980 Texas Rangers outfielder Al Oliver led the league in games played with 163. He played for no other team that season. The Rangers went 76-85. 161 games total. Why the discrepancy? It appears to be related to a June 2nd game at Comiskey that was called (suspended?) in the bottom of the 6th tied 1-1. On July 26th the same box score shows up as game 2 of a doubleheader at Comiskey. Did they double count player stats from that one unfinished game?

June 2
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA198006020.shtml

July 26
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA198007262.shtml

Also, the two teams played yet another doubleheader the following day but this appears to be unrelated to the confounding game counts.
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Wags chimes in.



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Did you know that in 218 Tim Tebow hit .273 with 6 homeruns in 2018 at the double A level
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Really good athlete. Really unique career

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Baseball reference oddity for the stros fans out there. Evan Gattis hit 12 career triples during his time in the big leagues. Of those 12 triples for the big fella, 11 of them came in the 2015 season for the Houston Astros. Hard to believe that Gattis hit 12 triples alone but incredible that 11 of them came in one season.
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Herb Washington

105 career games played. 33 runs scored, 31 stolen bases.

ZERO plate appearances.
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Ron Wright - Made one start for the Seattle Mariners in 2002 against the Texas Rangers. Maybe the craziest stat line this world has ever seen. In his 1 career start he had 3 career plate appearances. He went 0-3. First at bat he struck out. Second at bat he grounded into a triple play. Third at bat he grounded into a double play. Quite the career stat line.
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Smeghead4761 said:

Herb Washington

105 career games played. 33 runs scored, 31 stolen bases.

ZERO plate appearances.
Charlie Finley. the A's owner at the time, advocated for a "special pinch-runner" type rule that was somewhat similar to what we see in softball today.
agsalaska
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Smeghead4761 said:

Herb Washington

105 career games played. 33 runs scored, 31 stolen bases.

ZERO plate appearances.
That is a mike drop stat right there.
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AgRyan04
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Dave Kingman played for FOUR teams (NYM, SDP, CAL, NYY) in 1977 and signed with a fifth (CHC) before the calendar year ended
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AgRyan04
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Kirk Gibson and Tigers World Series teammate, Dave Rozema, were brother-in-laws after marrying sisters
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In 1963 manager Alvin Dark said "There would be a man on the moon before Gaylord Perry hits a home run."

On July 20, 1969 Neil Armstrong ending up beating Perry by only one hour.
AggieEP
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And look how many times he was caught stealing. Wasn't even that great at his one skill.
agsalaska
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Noticed that.
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AgRyan04
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I learned today that Dave Winfield never played a game in the minor leagues
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AgRyan04 said:

I learned today that Dave Winfield never played a game in the minor leagues
He also got drafted in the NBA and NFL drafts, even though he never played football at all in college.
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I remember this "historic" performance in 1986:

On September 19 of that same year, [Joe] Cowley pitched a 7-1 no-hitter against the California Angels at Anaheim Stadium. After the eighth inning, with Cowley just three outs away, approximately one-third of the 28,647 fans in attendance left the stadium, in keeping with the perception that sports fans in Southern California are more concerned with avoiding traffic than watching games. The no-hitter was also memorable because Cowley threw as many balls as he did strikes (69), walking seven men and surrendering one earned run. After the game, Angels first baseman Wally Joyner said: "Not to put Joe Cowley down, but it wasn't impressive."

Cowley did not win again in 1986, and after four winless starts in 1987, was released by the Phillies. Cowley thus became the only pitcher in MLB history never to win another game after pitching a no-hitter.
AgRyan04
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disregard....already brought up on page 9
The Original Houston 1836
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In 1984, the AL batting crown came down not only to the last game of the season, but the last at-bat of the season for teammates Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield.

Going into the final 4 games of the season, against eventual WS champion Detroit, it was Mattingly at .342 and Winfield at .342.

With one game to go, Winfield was at .341 and Mattingly was at .339. On the last day of the year, Mattingly went 4 for 5 to finish at .343, while Winfield was 1 for 4 to finish at .340.

It was Mattingly's only batting title, mostly because of Wade Boggs. Mattingly hit .352 in 1986, but Boggs hit .357.
Winfield only hit over .300 once for the rest of his career, .322 in 1988, his last full year with the Yankees.




Smeghead4761
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In 2004, Barry Bonds went hitless in 54 games. In those games, he was 0-for-100, and reached base 104 times.

That's an OBP of .510 (0.5098).

The overall OBP for the majors in 2004 was .335.
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In 94 career at bats, Tony Gwynn hit .415 against Greg Maddux with zero strikeouts.
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In 1965, Bob Uecker hit .400 off of Sandy Koufax : 6 for 15 with a double, a homer, and 2 RBI a 1.104 OPS.

Against everyone else in 1965, Uecker hit .208 with 1 homer and 7 RBI in 130 at-bats.

Overall, Koufax was 26-8 with a 2.04 ERA, 27 complete games, 8 shutouts and 382 strikeouts in 1965.

AgRyan04
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McInnis said:

In 94 career at bats, Tony Gwynn hit .415 against Greg Maddux with zero strikeouts.

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AgRyan04
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Mr. Bobby Shantz

I stumbled upon him as he was on the first Colts team back in 1962. His career was pretty amazing!

Broke into the big leagues in 1949
Played for the Philadelphia A's and won the AL MVP in 1952
Won a World Series with the Yankees in 1958
Played with his brother in both Philadelphia and New York
Was traded by Cardinals to the Cubs for Lou Brock

The guy played for 16 years and got to play with:

Nellie Fox
Mickey Mantle
Yogi Berra
Whitey Ford
Enos Slaughter
Bill Mazeroski
Dick Groat
Roberto Clemente
Vern Law
Stan Musial
Curt Flood
Red Schoendienst
Bob Gibson
Curt Simmons
Ernie Banks
Ron Santo
Billy Williams
Dick Allen
Jim Bunning

He will turn 100 years old in September. I would love to sit down and hear some of his stories!
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That would be a great listen.
AgRyan04
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I've been thinking about this a lot since my last post.

There is a similar story for Bob Aspromonte - the list of guys he played with is just nuts - not quite as nuts as Shantz, but very, very notable. Those are just the first two guys from one expansion team team I've even dug into.

In 50 years will we look back on some of the guys playing now and think the same thing? Or do those players from the Golden Era just have a special magical auora about them? I mean, I look back on the 70s and 80s and don't get that same feeling.
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Smeghead4761 said:

In 2004, Barry Bonds went hitless in 54 games. In those games, he was 0-for-100, and reached base 104 times.

That's an OBP of .510 (0.5098).

The overall OBP for the majors in 2004 was .335.
There are some Bonds stats that are just hard to believe. I hated Bonds back then; I was just a kid and there's no way I was going to support a "cheater". Looking back now, I wish I'd had more appreciation for his game and enjoyed that run more.
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I saw this on YouTube, not from my own deep dive into BR, but

On September 7, 2008, the Dodgers hosted the Diamondbacks. The announced pitching matchup was supposed to be Randy Johnson vs. Greg Maddux.

Both future HOFers were scratched for injuries. This led Arizona to start 24-year-old Max Scherzer making his MLB debut. The Dodgers countered with 20-year-old Clayton Kershaw in his third start ever.

 
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