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BadAggie said:

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F Framber man

Takes the second half of the season off and contributes significantly to losing the division and then decides to get it together when the Astros are on the outside looking in for the last playoff spot

The Astros cannot run that guy off soon enough

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I hear you, but man did he lose ALOT of money with his dismal 2nd half performance. Not to mention the bad look of the Salazar deal.

Something like 7/250 to now something for much less and maybe even a 1 year deal somewhere.

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He took a hit to be sure, but he's still top 7 in innings pitched in MLB with 192, is tied for the league lead on complete games, and is top 7 in HR per 9 innings pitched.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB-leaders.shtml

He's going to get paid, and that last 7 inning gem when we were all but out of reach shows teams he hasn't completely lost the plot.

They can bank on his situation with us having gone sour, which is true.

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Get rid of doesn't imply trading for a good return.

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I meant it as him not being back. I'd assume since he's under team control it would be a trade and you'd get a decent return.

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But he had a bad month. Why would anyone want him?

If you're deliberately trying to be condescending, that's fine.

I said I'd keep him but I'd understand if they don't see him as a part of the future plans given he cost pretty much nothing to acquire (Ryan gusto was the price) and they might seek value elsewhere.

Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

Ag4life80 said:

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Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

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Parades and Sanchez have 2 years left each. Trade Walker instead, i'm ok with burning the money to get someone to take him. He's Abreu 2.0, and we need guys like Isaac who can work counts rather than his like Christian who swing at whatever and can't catch up to fastballs.

Ag4life80 said:

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Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

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I honestly think everybody but Altuve should be available and we should be looking for high quality prospects and Rule 5 draft picks more so than short term replacements. We have a log jam of RHH and 3B and need to get some value out of guys like HB and JP before they leave next season. This season's experience with Tucker vs Framber should have taught us how the future should look. We got 3 quality players for Tucker and may be lucky to get a single draft pick for Framber.

We are not going to compete with LAD/NYM/NYY for the really top end FAs and signing the 3rd tier older guys like Abreu and Walker has clearly not worked out. The logical way to rebuild is the way that got us the dynasty we have enjoyed for the last 8 years...prospects and draft picks. There is no point trying to limp to a wild card spot next season only to watch JP and HB get poached by a big market team willing to overpay. I am in favor of ripping off the bandaid and getting started on a true rebuild now.

I highly doubt Crane is willing to do it, but that is the logical way for us to get back where we want to be as soon as possible.

txags92 said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

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I honestly think everybody but Altuve should be available and we should be looking for high quality prospects and Rule 5 draft picks more so than short term replacements. We have a log jam of RHH and 3B and need to get some value out of guys like HB and JP before they leave next season. This season's experience with Tucker vs Framber should have taught us how the future should look. We got 3 quality players for Tucker and may be lucky to get a single draft pick for Framber.

We are not going to compete with LAD/NYM/NYY for the really top end FAs and signing the 3rd tier older guys like Abreu and Walker has clearly not worked out. The logical way to rebuild is the way that got us the dynasty we have enjoyed for the last 8 years...prospects and draft picks. There is no point trying to limp to a wild card spot next season only to watch JP and HB get poached by a big market team willing to overpay. I am in favor of ripping off the bandaid and getting started on a true rebuild now.

I highly doubt Crane is willing to do it, but that is the logical way for us to get back where we want to be as soon as possible.

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100% agree. But I'd keep CC and Cam as well. Everyone else is on the block for teams that want to send us some good, young talent.

The Arcane Texas Fact of the Day:

Nolan Ryan broke Sandy Koufax's record with his fifth no-hitter 44 years ago today, on Sept. 26, 1981. Nolan was pitching for the Houston Astros when he dominated the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Dick Williams, former manager of the Montreal Expos and… pic.twitter.com/2SPrGHyUxt

— Traces of Texas (@TracesofTexas) September 26, 2025

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The Arcane Texas Fact of the Day:

Nolan Ryan broke Sandy Koufax's record with his fifth no-hitter 44 years ago today, on Sept. 26, 1981. Nolan was pitching for the Houston Astros when he dominated the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Dick Williams, former manager of the Montreal Expos and a future Hall of Famer, knew Nolan Ryan was capable of the feat before Ryan knew it himself.

After the Expos barely avoided two no-hit bids on Aug. 19 and Sept. 4, Williams predicted that Ryan would have his fifth no-hitter in a matter of weeks.

"It's only a matter of time before Nolan Ryan gets another no-hitter," Williams insisted to Associated Press. "When Ryan's curveball is working, he is untouchable. The way he looked today, it's just a matter of time."

It had been six years since Nolan had thrown a no-hitter, and he was unsure he could do it, mostly because he wasn't sure he still had the endurance. It's kind of ironic that Nolan broke Sandy Koufax's record against Sandy's team, the Dodgers.

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The last time we wound up in must win games the last weekend of the season, Jose Abreu (yes, him), stepped up and drove on both runs in a 2-1 win, the only run in a 1-0 win, and then hit a 2-run HR in the 8-1 win to finish the season.

The pitching obviously stepped up big time, as well, giving up two runs over 27 innings of baseball.

Who steps up for us this series? For the glass half empty crowd, "nobody" is an acceptable answer.

I think it's going to be Paredes, with Cole delivering a big HR in one of the games. The pitching will not be as dominant, requiring the offense to show up for all three games.

I love the Astros, and I want to see them succeed. That being said, ya'll might hate this take...but here it is.

If making the playoffs means we keep Joe and the hitting coaches and don't make significant changes to the roster, then I hope the Astros miss the playoffs. I'm afraid a playoff appearance will make folks forget how bad things really are, chalk it up to injuries and "bad luck", and just want to run it back another year.

iBrad said:

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The last time we wound up in must win games the last weekend of the season, Jose Abreu (yes, him), stepped up and drove on both runs in a 2-1 win, the only run in a 1-0 win, and then hit a 2-run HR in the 8-1 win to finish the season.

The pitching obviously stepped up big time, as well, giving up two runs over 27 innings of baseball.

Who steps up for us this series? For the glass half empty crowd, "nobody" is an acceptable answer.

I think it's going to be Paredes, with Cole delivering a big HR in one of the games. The pitching will not be as dominant, requiring the offense to show up for all three games.

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Even if we sweep the odds are that the requisite teams won't drop 2 of 3 or be swept (Red Sox) in turn.

However, it's not over until it's over. Hopefully Altuve continues to get hits. I get the feeling that's going to be one of the prominent rooting points over the next four years.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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I love the Astros, and I want to see them succeed. That being said, ya'll might hate this take...but here it is.

If making the playoffs means we keep Joe and the hitting coaches and don't make significant changes to the roster, then I hope the Astros miss the playoffs. I'm afraid a playoff appearance will make folks forget how bad things really are, chalk it up to injuries and "bad luck", and just want to run it back another year.

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I've thought this as well. Changes are necessary no matter if we squeak in or not. The main one being the manager and coaching staff.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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I love the Astros, and I want to see them succeed. That being said, ya'll might hate this take...but here it is.

If making the playoffs means we keep Joe and the hitting coaches and don't make significant changes to the roster, then I hope the Astros miss the playoffs. I'm afraid a playoff appearance will make folks forget how bad things really are, chalk it up to injuries and "bad luck", and just want to run it back another year.

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If we make the playoffs but get swept again first round he's prolly still gone.

IF we can make a deep run then maybe people will forget

Arizona needs a first baseman.

Man yall couldn't wait until the season was actually over to start blowing it up and trading everyone.?

Sanchez is young and has potential. He's also controllable and cheap. All good reasons to keep him.

jkag89 said:

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The Arcane Texas Fact of the Day:

Nolan Ryan broke Sandy Koufax's record with his fifth no-hitter 44 years ago today, on Sept. 26, 1981. Nolan was pitching for the Houston Astros when he dominated the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Dick Williams, former manager of the Montreal Expos and… pic.twitter.com/2SPrGHyUxt

— Traces of Texas (@TracesofTexas) September 26, 2025

Quote:

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The Arcane Texas Fact of the Day:

Nolan Ryan broke Sandy Koufax's record with his fifth no-hitter 44 years ago today, on Sept. 26, 1981. Nolan was pitching for the Houston Astros when he dominated the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Dick Williams, former manager of the Montreal Expos and a future Hall of Famer, knew Nolan Ryan was capable of the feat before Ryan knew it himself.

After the Expos barely avoided two no-hit bids on Aug. 19 and Sept. 4, Williams predicted that Ryan would have his fifth no-hitter in a matter of weeks.

"It's only a matter of time before Nolan Ryan gets another no-hitter," Williams insisted to Associated Press. "When Ryan's curveball is working, he is untouchable. The way he looked today, it's just a matter of time."

It had been six years since Nolan had thrown a no-hitter, and he was unsure he could do it, mostly because he wasn't sure he still had the endurance. It's kind of ironic that Nolan broke Sandy Koufax's record against Sandy's team, the Dodgers.

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wasn't sure he had the endurance? lol

Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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he's been terrible offensively and he's been terrible defensively

but the Astros need left-handed bats, so he'll get a chance to start next spring

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Man yall couldn't wait until the season was actually over to start blowing it up and trading everyone.?

Sanchez is young and has potential. He's also controllable and cheap. All good reasons to keep him.

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I wouldn't "blow it up and trade everyone" just for nothing. I'd expect to get a very good haul of young talent. I suppose if other teams aren't offering enough, then we keep most everyone and pray for good health and a manager change.

so the Angels...

the Angels have outhomered the Astros 222 to 172 -- difference of 50 home runs

whereas the Astros have out-doubled the Angels 243 to 209 -- positive difference of 34 doubles

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what's interesting...the Angels only hit 165 homers last year. So a large year-over-year increase is possible...which the Astros need for 2026

For a long part of the season we were between 1-5 in BA in the league somewhere around .265

Now we are 12th at .250 for the season. Not slugging or walking we relied on lots of singles. The last 2 months the singles have totally dried up.

If this roster is so bad that it needs to be blown up why would you expect a good haul of young talent in return?

Apparently Sanchez sucks at all it took was Gusto to get him
Walker is old and washed
Diaz is a lazy bad defensive catcher with no plate discipline

Why would they get anything close to a good haul for those guys?

tjack16 said:

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If you're deliberately trying to be condescending, that's fine.

I said I'd keep him but I'd understand if they don't see him as a part of the future plans given he cost pretty much nothing to acquire (Ryan gusto was the price) and they might seek value elsewhere.

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Farmer has admitted to not fully reading posts before responding. Might be the case here.

Ag_07 said:

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If this roster is so bad that it needs to be blown up why would you expect a good haul of young talent in return?

Apparently Sanchez sucks at all it took was Gusto to get him
Walker is old and washed
Diaz is a lazy bad defensive catcher with no plate discipline

Why would they get anything close to a good haul for those guys?

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Because, just like Framber is hoping, it only takes one sucker!

It seems the Americans at the Ryder Cup have adopted the Astros mentality with RISP. They cannot drain a putt to save their lives.

Ag4life80 said:

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Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

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Don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more.

Parades is 26 years old, only getting better and under a team friendly contract. You keep him.

Marvin said:

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It seems the Americans at the Ryder Cup have adopted the Astros mentality with RISP. They cannot drain a putt to save their lives.

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Death, taxes, and Americans getting out putted at a Ryder Cup.

Euros just flat out drain everything.

texasaggie2015 said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Trade Sanchez - not due to his slump, but his fielding sucks too. He still has value
Trade Parades - we're stuck with Walker, Parades has good value and has 1 year left. I like his playing, but he's
a player with no home on the field here. Don't need a pudgy second baseman
Offer around Diaz - a lazy defensive catcher has been an issue. Hustles on offense, but no real DH opportunities
Yordan returning to play 140+ games is a must under any scenario

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Don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more.

Parades is 26 years old, only getting better and under a team friendly contract. You keep him.

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Absolutely let's keep the good players

Dude busted his ass to get back when he could've just been done for the season

jja79 said:

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Arizona needs a first baseman.

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Don't we all.

Ag_07 said:

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Man yall couldn't wait until the season was actually over to start blowing it up and trading everyone.?

Sanchez is young and has potential. He's also controllable and cheap. All good reasons to keep him.

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He had a 1.1 bWAR and a .740 OPS with Miami in just 86 games, and was on pace for his best season by far (by bWAR) before the trade.

He doesn't play first base, so there's no reason he has to continue to be awful for us next season.

Faustus said:

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jja79 said:

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Arizona needs a first baseman.

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Don't we all.

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Granny used to say, "people in Hell want ice water..."

The curse of La Pina is real.

Ok that's it then

F em

Faustus said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Man yall couldn't wait until the season was actually over to start blowing it up and trading everyone.?

Sanchez is young and has potential. He's also controllable and cheap. All good reasons to keep him.

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He had a 1.1 bWAR and a .740 OPS with Miami in just 86 games, and was on pace for his best season by far (by bWAR) before the trade.

He doesn't play first base, so there's no reason he has to continue to be awful for us next season.

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Man, if we are going to ignore all the other stats for every player and only focus on their worst month, we are going to have to get rid of everybody on the current roster including Altuve.

Mathguy64 said:

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For a long part of the season we were between 1-5 in BA in the league somewhere around .265

Now we are 12th at .250 for the season. Not slugging or walking we relied on lots of singles. The last 2 months the singles have totally dried up.

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The 11 run explosion moved us to from 25th to tied for 21st in scoring at 671 (4 runs ahead of the Rangers and 5 ahead of the No. 25 Angels).

No. 27 Cleveland is living right. They've only scored 628 (4 ahead of the White Sox), and have a -4 run differential that translated into 86-73. The Rangers somehow parlayed a +77 run differential and the lowest runs surrendered by far in the league at 590 into 80-79.

https://www.mlb.com/stats/team/runs

I can't quite comprehend what I'm reading on here today.

Sanchez sucks. He's in a horrific slump and he can't field any position. But he still has value and we should get a good haul of talent for him to rebuild.

Paredes is the only player who knows how to work a count and was a key piece to this team before going down. Trade him.

Offseason should be a blast.

txags92 said:

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Faustus said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Man yall couldn't wait until the season was actually over to start blowing it up and trading everyone.?

Sanchez is young and has potential. He's also controllable and cheap. All good reasons to keep him.

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He had a 1.1 bWAR and a .740 OPS with Miami in just 86 games, and was on pace for his best season by far (by bWAR) before the trade.

He doesn't play first base, so there's no reason he has to continue to be awful for us next season.

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Man, if we are going to ignore all the other stats for every player and only focus on their worst month, we are going to have to get rid of everybody on the current roster including Altuve.

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I'm not sure why that's directed at my post.

I was saying he was decent for Miami this season and could be again for us next season because he's not subject to the curse of 1st base.