Now let's hope that we can trade Walker and save another $10M or so in salary dump and get a pitcher or two on the FA market.
***Official Houston Astros 2025-26 Offseason Thread***
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Frok said:
Ugh, I miss Luhnow and Click
I really miss that Luhnow trade that brought over Fiers and Gomez.
iBrad said:Frok said:
Ugh, I miss Luhnow and Click
I really miss that Luhnow trade that brought over Fiers and Gomez.
Let's not forget Teoscar for Liriano
https://t.co/ej40vzwpQJ pic.twitter.com/zRQjRtq45g
— astrosmemes (@astrosmemes_) November 20, 2025
Parades over prospects, re: Teo.
Man 2017 feels so long ago
Man 2017 feels so long ago
Today the #Braves acquired UT Mauricio Dubón (-$2.3M surplus trade value) from the #Astros in exchange for IF Nick Allen ($2.3M)
— Baseball Trade Values (@BaseballValues) November 20, 2025
The deal is accepted by our model as a moderate overpay by Atlanta.
via @Stathead:
— Céspedes Family BBQ (@CespedesBBQ) November 20, 2025
there have been 34 seasons in MLB history in which a player has appeared in at least 3 games at 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF and RF
2 of them were Mauricio Dubón in 2024 and 2025 https://t.co/JC8y6GT3V9 pic.twitter.com/w3hictWMS1
the surplus value is probably mostly in relation to the team control years. Allen is Arb1 so we have him for three more years.
Allen isn't versatile like Dubon, but he's an elite defensive middle INF. We didn't have anyone in the system to plug in to SS if Pena goes down. It makes sense to add him if you're un loading Dubon's contract.
In a vacuum, I don't love the deal. However, I think we're seeing a very aggressive salary dump (Walker next) because there is going to some big moves coming. I think we add a high dollar starting pitcher and trade for another INF (Donny or Lowe).
In a vacuum, I don't love the deal. However, I think we're seeing a very aggressive salary dump (Walker next) because there is going to some big moves coming. I think we add a high dollar starting pitcher and trade for another INF (Donny or Lowe).
W said:
oh my, Dubon is gone.
but Dana had to do it with Espada remaining as manager
Joe would not stop playing him or starting him in order to give rest to better players
plus Dubon never changed his approach at the plate
Billy Beane did this to Art Howe in Moneyball.
Can't play Pena, Art.
Why?
Because I traded him…
this is where I see things headed too… go to war with the offense we have (less Walker) and try to win with an elite rotation and bullpen.Farmer1906 said:
Allen isn't versatile like Dubon, but he's an elite defensive middle INF. We didn't have anyone in the system to plug in to SS if Pena goes down. It makes sense to add him if you're un loading Dubon's contract.
In a vacuum, I don't love the deal. However, I think we're seeing a very aggressive salary dump (Walker next) because there is going to some big moves coming. I think we add a high dollar starting pitcher and trade for another INF (Donny or Lowe).
W said:
oh my, Dubon is gone.
but Dana had to do it with Espada remaining as manager
Joe would not stop playing him or starting him in order to give rest to better players
plus Dubon never changed his approach at the plate
It's like when Kubiak wouldn't stop putting Matt Schaub back in the game, so they just fired Kubiak.
By designating Urías for assignment and trading Dubón, the Astros freed up money they can spend in their pursuit of pitching
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 20, 2025
“We’re trying to get creative in getting some pitching, and in doing so, pitching is going to cost."https://t.co/J1iRxc8hu7
The Astros have parted ways with Chas McCormick, Luis Garcia, Ramón Urías and Mauricio Dubón this month. @mlbtraderumors projected that quartet to make a combined $15.8 million in arbitration - https://t.co/7IITgvxwD5
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 20, 2025
If we spend all the saved money on just so we can afford to pay and run out a decaying JV, this will be the dumbest off-season ever.
EastCoastAgNc said:
If we spend all the saved money on just so we can afford to pay and run out a decaying JV, this will be the dumbest off-season ever.
If JV gets 15 mil a year someone needs to see what evidence he has on Jim
I called it in July, the minute they traded for Correa, Dubon's HEB commercial days were numbered.
According to FG we're at an estimated $218 M in luxury tax payroll. That means we have 25 M to spend and still be under the tax. If we move half of Walker's deal we'd have 35 M. $35 should be just enough to add a Lowe / Donovan type, major SP, and backup catcher.
Don't forget the twins
Ag_07 said:
Don't forget the twins
Perhaps shes the reason Crane keeps bringing JV back.
BCEDAg said:Ag_07 said:
Don't forget the twins
Perhaps shes the reason Crane keeps bringing JV back.
Source: The Astros are hiring Tim Cossins as catching coach, the position previously held by Michael Collins. Cossins, 55, was the Orioles' Major League field coordinator/catching instructor from 2019-25 and held similar roles with the Cubs (2013-18) and Marlins (2008-12).
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 20, 2025
EastCoastAgNc said:Source: The Astros are hiring Tim Cossins as catching coach, the position previously held by Michael Collins. Cossins, 55, was the Orioles' Major League field coordinator/catching instructor from 2019-25 and held similar roles with the Cubs (2013-18) and Marlins (2008-12).
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 20, 2025
The only prerequisite is that the coach name starts with "Co" then is followed by a double consonant, then ends with "ins"
EastCoastAgNc said:Today the #Braves acquired UT Mauricio Dubón (-$2.3M surplus trade value) from the #Astros in exchange for IF Nick Allen ($2.3M)
— Baseball Trade Values (@BaseballValues) November 20, 2025
The deal is accepted by our model as a moderate overpay by Atlanta.
the Astros media really pumped up Dubon's versatility and defensive value and everything...
but heavily glossed over his woes at the plate
.644 OPS and OPS+ 78 with 12 GiDP's and just 24 walks in 398 plate appearances
Allen is actually worse offensively (quite the accomplishment, must have machete as his hitting coach) but defensively is every bit as good. It's all about the money savings but hopefully it means he is a true utility guy and not getting 400 ABs (or even 200).
Nick Allen is literally sleeping with the enemy. He's married to Brett Boone's daughter. He also looks like he's 12.
CharleyKerfeld said:
Nick Allen is literally sleeping with the enemy. He's married to Brett Boone's daughter. He also looks like he's 12.
You heard it here first…Bret Boone will be the next manager of the Houston Astros
Rome reports the Astros are fielding calls on both Meyers and Sanchez. Meyers's value is as high as it's ever been.
Projected Arb $
40-50 M gets you
Projected Arb $
- Meyers 3.5 M
- Sanchez 6.5 M
40-50 M gets you
- Stud SP: 25 AAV
- Lowe/Donny: 6-11 AAV
- JV: 10 AAV
- Backup C: 4-8 AAV
Farmer1906 said:
Rome reports the Astros are fielding calls on both Meyers and Sanchez. Meyers's value is as high as it's ever been.
Projected Arb $Between these two and Walker, the Astros can move their "cap space" from ~25 M to 40-50 M.
- Meyers 3.5 M
- Sanchez 6.5 M
40-50 M gets you
- Stud SP: 25 AAV
- Lowe/Donny: 6-11 AAV
- JV: 10 AAV
- Backup C: 4-8 AAV
Who is playing CF? Melton? woof. He can play the position defensively but man oh man he just looks like he cannot hit a lick. Thast Jake defensively and Dubon offensively.
Cole? Dezenzo? They are corner guys.
Now you need s CFer.
Mathguy64 said:Farmer1906 said:
Rome reports the Astros are fielding calls on both Meyers and Sanchez. Meyers's value is as high as it's ever been.
Projected Arb $Between these two and Walker, the Astros can move their "cap space" from ~25 M to 40-50 M.
- Meyers 3.5 M
- Sanchez 6.5 M
40-50 M gets you
- Stud SP: 25 AAV
- Lowe/Donny: 6-11 AAV
- JV: 10 AAV
- Backup C: 4-8 AAV
Who is playing CF? Melton? woof. He can play the position defensively but man oh man he just looks like he cannot hit a lick. Thast Jake defensively and Dubon offensively.
Cole? Dezenzo? They are corner guys.
Now you need s CFer.
A few options
Cole has played plenty of CF in the minors, so he would be an option. Melton as well. You could also go outside the org. Signing one for more money probably isn't the play. Maybe you can land Nootbar and Donny from the Cards. I wouldn't hate that. Make Belly your big FA signing?
Altuve in CF, Parades in RF, Yordan in LF.
Hit the ball out of the infield, get an instant triple.
Hit the ball out of the infield, get an instant triple.
CharleyKerfeld said:
Altuve in CF, Parades in RF, Yordan in LF.
Hit the ball out of the infield, get an instant triple.
Biggio 2.0
2025 PitchingNinja Psycho Reliever of the Year. 🏆
— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) November 20, 2025
Winner: Tyler Phillips pic.twitter.com/wpwhkgArZy
Missed a golden opportunity to name the award after Ken Giles
Farmer1906 said:Mathguy64 said:Farmer1906 said:
Rome reports the Astros are fielding calls on both Meyers and Sanchez. Meyers's value is as high as it's ever been.
Projected Arb $Between these two and Walker, the Astros can move their "cap space" from ~25 M to 40-50 M.
- Meyers 3.5 M
- Sanchez 6.5 M
40-50 M gets you
- Stud SP: 25 AAV
- Lowe/Donny: 6-11 AAV
- JV: 10 AAV
- Backup C: 4-8 AAV
Who is playing CF? Melton? woof. He can play the position defensively but man oh man he just looks like he cannot hit a lick. Thast Jake defensively and Dubon offensively.
Cole? Dezenzo? They are corner guys.
Now you need s CFer.
A few options
Cole has played plenty of CF in the minors, so he would be an option. Melton as well. You could also go outside the org. Signing one for more money probably isn't the play. Maybe you can land Nootbar and Donny from the Cards. I wouldn't hate that. Make Belly your big FA signing?
Also ignoring the news from the beginning of the season…that Dana was pushing Smith to learn to play CF…that could be the solution with good up side potential for power from the position.
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