Buying physical gold/silver

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TTUArmy
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Any suggestions?
None that haven't already been made.

  • There is no political will by congress to curb spending or adhere to a budget
  • The Fed's mandate is 2% inflation minimum...why not zero?

The fiat game is rigged...as are paper stocks/commodities markets.

The only suggestions I have are to first acknowledge that this fiat system is bad for everyone long term. Second, get your hands on some physical gold and silver. The fiat system is like knowing you have skin cancer but, just kind of hope that the body will somehow heal itself.
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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A friendly reminder to any lurkers: You don't buy Gold to get rich. You buy Gold to stay rich.
jagvocate
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1999 Silver Prices
I bleed maroon
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jagvocate said:

1999 Silver Prices

Also in 1999, the S&P was at 1200, and Bill Clinton was considered an ultra-liberal free-spending politician.

I'll continue to hold my silver and gold coins, but time marches on...
Mas89
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I bleed maroon said:

jagvocate said:

1999 Silver Prices

Also in 1999, the S&P was at 1200, and Bill Clinton was considered an ultra-liberal free-spending politician.

I'll continue to hold my silver and gold coins, but time marches on...
1999 was a good year to buy.
K Bo
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Texas Precious Metals Announces Sponsorship of Texas A&M Rodeo Team
Aggiemike96
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I'm hearing rumors of a silver squeeze on Monday, March 31.
Buck Turgidson
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Aggiemike96 said:

I'm hearing rumors of a silver squeeze on Monday, March 31.
Me too. I'm not clear exactly what that means though. I can tell you the Costco near me sold out of silver bars again (no gold bars either). Not sure if that indicates a boost in demand or just poor inventory management.
TTUArmy
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I heard that yesterday as well. I guess we'll see.
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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People that were always hating on Gold have been real quiet lately
TTUArmy
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LETTUCE PRAY said:

People that were always hating on Gold have been real quiet lately
$3,101 per t/oz.
AgEng06
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Shower thoughts... What do you guys think is a "good" amount of physical silver and gold to have (in ounces)? I'm not asking how much you have (unless you just want to share). But in your stacking, is there an amount you feel is sufficient or a goal you're trying to reach? Or are you just stacking because that's what you do?
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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General consensus will tell you 3-5% of your portfolio in PMs

It's going to be a touch higher among this crowd. Personally? I have about 12% of my net worth in physical metal.
jagvocate
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We're about 12% too. I've always wanted to get my family's weight in silver. Not there but still stacking,
Buck Turgidson
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Its hard to stack enough physical silver for it to add up to much. Gold is getting expensive enough per ounce that you can easily amass several hundred thousand dollars (even a couple million) in physical gold and still fit it in a safe (although, you should consider if that's secure enough). 5% of your portfolio in gold is easy if you have a small portfolio, but it gets harder as you get richer. Imagine a billionaire like Elon Musk or Bill Gates having 5% of his portfolio in physical gold - it would practically require his own mini Fort Knox. If you get to retirement age and you have enough to live 20-30 years off your portfolio and still leave a bunch to your kids, you'll probably be doing good to have 1-2% of your portfolio in physical precious metals.
KingofHazor
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A friend of mine in the commercial insurance business in Dallas told me that the largest policy he'd ever written was to insure the movement of $500 million in gold from one bank to another in Dallas. The gold was owned by an individual. And that was most likely back when gold was around $400/oz or so.
maddiedou
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Buck Turgidson said:

Its hard to stack enough physical silver for it to add up to much. Gold is getting expensive enough per ounce that you can easily amass several hundred thousand dollars (even a couple million) in physical gold and still fit it in a safe (although, you should consider if that's secure enough). 5% of your portfolio in gold is easy if you have a small portfolio, but it gets harder as you get richer. Imagine a billionaire like Elon Musk or Bill Gates having 5% of his portfolio in physical gold - it would practically require his own mini Fort Knox. If you get to retirement age and you have enough to live 20-30 years off your portfolio and still leave a bunch to your kids, you'll probably be doing good to have 1-2% of your portfolio in physical precious metals.


You said it much better than I could

10 percent is alot of physical stuff and its value is only what somebody will pay

maddiedou
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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If I was worth 10 mil I could put 12% of my worth in a single 400oz Gold Delivery Bar.....
Buck Turgidson
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LETTUCE PRAY said:

If I was worth 10 mil I could put 12% of my worth in a single 400oz Gold Delivery Bar.....
I'm guessing you'd have a pretty small pool of potential buyers for that though.
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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It was more a response to the size constraint arguments than anything else.

ETA: I do agree about Silver not being practical when you hit certain numbers
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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Buck Turgidson said:

Imagine a billionaire like Bill Gates having 5% of his portfolio in physical gold - it would practically require his own mini Fort Knox.


Bill Gates' Net Worth is approximately 100 Billion, so obviously 5 Billion is 5%.

The current going rate for Good Delivery Bars is $1,249,963.65 as I type this

5,000,000,000 divided by that rate is approximately 4,000 Gold Bars

I asked Google AI "How much space would 4,000 Good Delivery Bars take up?"

Screenshot of the response:



Bill Gates could fit 5% of his net worth in Gold Bricks in his walk-in closet.
JR Ewing
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TTUArmy said:

I heard that yesterday as well. I guess we'll see.


Guess the silver squeeze had no legs…
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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Retail investors are never going to move the needle in the paper markets.
Fitch
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The poster here is hedging on waiting to see if the number is revised, but the claim would appear to be someone(s) placed an order for ~$14 billion in physical gold for next month.

A bit interesting.
Yukon Cornelius
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That gold being shipped or etf gold
Fitch
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Physical delivery, reportedly.



"My thoughts on this:

Traders looking for speculative exposure in gold futures don't wait until the last days of March to enter the April contract in size like this.

By that point, the April contract is about to enter its delivery window, which begins at the end of the month. Assume speculators would already have rolled out of it into June to avoid getting assigned physical delivery.

What we're seeing here most likely is a massive surge in open interest in April, up more than 45,000 contracts, with relatively modest volume.

That implies a wave of new, purposeful positioning rather than just churn between existing traders.

Because this increase didn't come from March...it's not just a normal roll. It's fresh buying. And because it happened right at the start of the delivery period, it raises a clear possibility: This looks like someone is intentionally positioning themselves to take delivery of a lot of physical gold and did it last minute."




Look very carefully at this chart please.
1) they're only 16,000 lots of open interest increased on the day in the June contract. But look at the volumes. Massive.
2) now look at the block trades. Block trades are large chunk volumes and they usually facilitate spreads. Note that the April and June are very close to overlapping. Not unheard of but significant in this context.
3) now look at the totals. The open interest is up total over 60k contracts.

It would not be unreasonable, pending, forensic confirmation, that someone did a very, very, very large trade rolling contracts that they were long in June to April. This would explain.
1) the muted increase in open interest in June
2) the close to matching block trade volumes
3) the massive June volume translating into very small open interest changes net in June..

Anyway, this isn't a theory this is how it happens. on a day with almost 60,000 lots of open interest increasing, gold actually could be a lot higher..
That's because the open interest was created possibly by someone who was long the June contract or another deferred contract rolling forward into April. Pushing up a deferred long into a spot purchase. Somebody's deadline may have gotten moved.
(This is just a starting point not a conclusion. There are plenty of other potentially reasonable explanations.
But generally speaking, you don't buy 45,000 lots of a contract on first notice day on a declining liquidity contract without destroying the whole market.
It's also possible they bought the June contract. And then by the end of the day they rolled it back into April)
@SemperVigilant1, @EFbullion, and Al otherwise other forensic guys.
@DtDS_WSS
If the April open interest doesn't close very quickly, you actually could see backwardation in gold futures for the first time ever as we approach April 28.

Yukon Cornelius
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So it's just an option contract right?
Fitch
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Believe it is an option contract to take possession and can be revised over the following 28 days, but the purchasing account has to have the full value of the underlying asset in cash on hand to place the option, so someone is holding ~$14B in funds. Seems a tad aggressive of a position to just be fooling around.
Yukon Cornelius
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Maybe Warren buffets group or something
TTUArmy
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April is shaping up to be a very interesting month in the markets.
Aggiemike96
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Are we going to see 100:1 GSR? Gold seems unstoppable!
JR Ewing
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Aggiemike96 said:

Are we going to see 100:1 GSR? Gold seems unstoppable!


Maybe silver isn't going to bounce? I'm shocked it hasn't skyrocketed recently…
Tumble Weed
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Days like today test our thesis on Gold. So far it is holding up nicely.
jagvocate
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Buy when it's scary has been a great strategy over the years
FRESH CLEMENTINES
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Tumble Weed said:

Days like today test our thesis on Gold. So far it is holding up nicely.
It was a nice quarter for Au

 
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