Buying physical gold/silver

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" In 1971, the federal minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, while gold was priced at about $44.60 per ounce. This meant a minimum wage worker could earn enough in a 40-hour week to buy nearly 1.5 to almost 1.8 ounces of golda significant amount by any historical standard.

Fast forward to today: with gold trading at roughly $3,399 per ounce, even a well-paid average worker making $25 per hour would need to work about 136 hoursover three full-time weeksjust to afford a single ounce of gold. This stands in stark contrast to 1971, when a minimum wage earner could purchase that ounce with less than a week of labor."

Gold protects purchasing power that our Federal Reserve destroys.

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jagvocate said:

" In 1971, the federal minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, while gold was priced at about $44.60 per ounce. This meant a minimum wage worker could earn enough in a 40-hour week to buy nearly 1.5 to almost 1.8 ounces of golda significant amount by any historical standard.

Fast forward to today: with gold trading at roughly $3,399 per ounce, even a well-paid average worker making $25 per hour would need to work about 136 hoursover three full-time weeksjust to afford a single ounce of gold. This stands in stark contrast to 1971, when a minimum wage earner could purchase that ounce with less than a week of labor."

Gold protects purchasing power that our Federal Reserve destroys.


With centuries of history as proof.

But it also shows that the economy has been a mirage since 2000 when risk assets topped against gold. Since then, the cycle of issuing debt to fuel growth kicked off full steam. We're now at the point where we are issuing debt to MAINTAIN declining growth. Next up is issuing debt to not grow at all and likely even generate negative growth (meaning the debt stops providing ANY value and starts subtracting value). That's when the fireworks start.
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That silver dough
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The SLV/SPX relationship chart is showing a strong bullish setup for silver outperformance. Doesn't mean it will follow-through, just that the setup is there. I know most of don't study EW or understand the Fibonacci relationships between moves, but you don't have to. This is what a "standard" nested setup SHOULD look like. All it needs is breakout confirmation.

But remember, this chart is comparing SLV to SPX and relies on price action of both. It can play out in multiple ways..

1. Silver strongly bullish and SPX less bullish
2. Silver bullish with SPX flat
3. Silver moderately bullish with declining SPX
4. Silver flat with declining SPX
5. Silver declining with SPX declining strongly
6. Silver strongly negative with SPX more bearish.

And it could totally fail. But as long as circle wave [ii] 61.8% retracement area holds, this has potential to widen the outperformance. I'll post updates if anything meaningful happens. Right now, it's signaling patience as it might be trying to nest one more time before truly starting the breakout.

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Anyone believe the US Treasury will re-value the gold on it's books?
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TTUArmy said:

Anyone believe the US Treasury will re-value the gold on it's books?

We've done it before! And I believe it is a tool that we'll turn to again ... the $64k question is WHEN

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Heineken-Ashi said:

jagvocate said:

" In 1971, the federal minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, while gold was priced at about $44.60 per ounce. This meant a minimum wage worker could earn enough in a 40-hour week to buy nearly 1.5 to almost 1.8 ounces of golda significant amount by any historical standard.

Fast forward to today: with gold trading at roughly $3,399 per ounce, even a well-paid average worker making $25 per hour would need to work about 136 hoursover three full-time weeksjust to afford a single ounce of gold. This stands in stark contrast to 1971, when a minimum wage earner could purchase that ounce with less than a week of labor."

Gold protects purchasing power that our Federal Reserve destroys.


With centuries of history as proof.

But it also shows that the economy has been a mirage since 2000 when risk assets topped against gold. Since then, the cycle of issuing debt to fuel growth kicked off full steam. We're now at the point where we are issuing debt to MAINTAIN declining growth. Next up is issuing debt to not grow at all and likely even generate negative growth (meaning the debt stops providing ANY value and starts subtracting value). That's when the fireworks start.

Great analysis in a single paragraph. What's different is that the world has suddenly realized the debt shell game we are playing. Yes, the world's money is still invested in our equities market. But many have been adding other investments- metals and crypto. This is putting pressure on bonds and eventually equities. It's just a matter of time.

in round numbers, gold is up 70 percent from Jan.1, 2024- 2,000 to 3,400. And silver is up 70 plus percent in the same time.
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I don't think this tweet is an accident ... $GOLD


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Mas89 said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

jagvocate said:

" In 1971, the federal minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, while gold was priced at about $44.60 per ounce. This meant a minimum wage worker could earn enough in a 40-hour week to buy nearly 1.5 to almost 1.8 ounces of golda significant amount by any historical standard.

Fast forward to today: with gold trading at roughly $3,399 per ounce, even a well-paid average worker making $25 per hour would need to work about 136 hoursover three full-time weeksjust to afford a single ounce of gold. This stands in stark contrast to 1971, when a minimum wage earner could purchase that ounce with less than a week of labor."

Gold protects purchasing power that our Federal Reserve destroys.


With centuries of history as proof.

But it also shows that the economy has been a mirage since 2000 when risk assets topped against gold. Since then, the cycle of issuing debt to fuel growth kicked off full steam. We're now at the point where we are issuing debt to MAINTAIN declining growth. Next up is issuing debt to not grow at all and likely even generate negative growth (meaning the debt stops providing ANY value and starts subtracting value). That's when the fireworks start.

Great analysis in a single paragraph. What's different is that the world has suddenly realized the debt shell game we are playing. Yes, the world's money is still invested in our equities market. But many have been adding other investments- metals and crypto. This is putting pressure on bonds and eventually equities. It's just a matter of time.

in round numbers, gold is up 70 percent from Jan.1, 2024- 2,000 to 3,400. And silver is up 70 plus percent in the same time.

If your money was in gold since 2000, you have outperformed the S&P. And I don't think that's changing soon.
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Might get a bit of an extended pullback in silver and a nice buying opportunity this week.
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TTUArmy said:

Might get a bit of an extended pullback in silver and a nice buying opportunity this week.

This have to do with tariffs, or the lack thereof?
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I went ahead and bought a lot of silver. I have a feeling I could have bought a lot more after this week. oh well, you can't time the market.
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Silver @ $36.91. Recent silver run was pushing up my DCA. Does my heart good to see it head down for a bit.



Copper took a big ol' dump yesterday...-22%.
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Palladium: 30x more rare than Gold. That's substantial.

It's currently trading at a spot price that is 65% lower than the current Au spot price.

I feel like it has the most upside potential of any of the Precious Metals when it comes to a long hold play. It's a base logic move.

Palladium is 15x more rare than Platinum.
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Nice contribution.
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Fed Issues Article Re: Gold Revaluation to Support Debt Load

Weiss, Colin R. (2025). "Official Reserve Revaluations: The International Experience," FEDS Notes. Washington: Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, August 1, 2025"

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/official-reserve-revaluations-the-international-experience-20250801.html

I think they'll let gold run to $5k and then revalue it to $10k at some point



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If Gold gets revalued to $10k/troy ounce then all of the other precious metals would track. Then it's just a matter of percentage increase.

I like Palladium as a spec play. I hope it dips more in the short term.
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Rankest said:

If Gold gets revalued to $10k/troy ounce then all of the other precious metals would track. Then it's just a matter of percentage increase.

I like Palladium as a spec play. I hope it dips more in the short term.

The only reason many of us hang on to gold and silver is due their historical use as monetary metals. Though the other metals, like platinum and palladium are rare, they are generally perceived as industrial use metals. These days, silver has a foot in that category as well. Granted, there are mints that use platinum and palladium to make bullion coins. And, there's a very small segment of retail investors that like to buy them. Kind of an expensive novelty, much like numismatics, but that's just me. If that floats your boat, then carry on and have fun with it! Beware of people pushing this stuff called "crystalline osmium". Even though it is a rare element, those people are f-ing bananas.
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What the rookie doesn't realize is that a lot of us here know each other in real life, have business ties, kids grew up together or are growing up together, etc, so the crazy accusations hit a little closer to home. Like the poster above said, probably a good idea to think about a new username and give some thought to humility and respect going forward.
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I paid my parents' mortgage off when I was ten by trading junk silver (thank you hunt brothers)

This, as a case study in money arbitrage, needs to be taught in business schools

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jagvocate said:

I paid my parents' mortgage off when I was ten by trading junk silver (thank you hunt brothers)

This, as a case study in money arbitrage, needs to be taught in business schools

LOL.....I wish it was some brilliant move...but alas just a lot of sweat and some FANTASTIC luck. Here's how it happened:

- Texas was a unitary banking state back then...so not a lot of rolls going from bank to bank. Our town was a suburb and had two large, community banks and one large savings and loan. In the mornings I would ride my bike to one bank and get $100 in rolls of dimes, quarters, and half dollars. I would ride back home and search through the rolls and pull our any 90% and 40% Kennedy's. Usually there might be $1 to $2 face...worth about 3 times face so, I'd make about $4 a search. Sometimes though, you'd get a jackpot. Then in the afternoon, I'd take the re-wrapped rolls to a second bank (after of course replacing the coins taken out) and get cash and then go to the third bank and get new rolls. Then I'd go through those and start the whole process over.

- I saved every coin I took out, but occasionally had to go to the coin shop on weekends and cash in a roll in order to fund the replacement coins. I always sold the 40%.

- So about the time the Hunt brother's tried to corner the silver market, I had accumulated about $500 face value of 90% junk silver. When the price of silver skyrocketed to about $45/ounce...the dealers were only paying 22 times face...as the smelters had huge backlogs of coins waiting to be smelted....and passed that problem along to the dealers.

- Anyway, I sold my stash for about $12,000 and gave the money to my parents to payoff their mortgage. They'd only paid $15,000 for the house about ten years earlier. We were very poor as my dad was on serious disability and my mom had to stay home and take care of him. He died a few years later. But paying off their mortgage was a tremendous gift....they both couldn't hardly believe it.

- Downside though.....that's when everyone started looking through their change for silver coins and the effort to resume my process wasn't worthwhile. While in college, I was a bank teller for a few summers at one of those banks. I'd check every teller's coin tray at least once a day...and you might see two or three 40% half dollars during the week.

- Final note....however, there have been a few times in my life I have heard the ring of 90% silver when a store clerk threw someone's change in the till. I'd ask them to let me look at their quarters or dimes and sure enough would find the 90% piece. When you've sorted through so much change, it's easy to pick the silver out just by its distinctive ring to your ears.

Thanks for indulging me down memory lane.
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I have read that story many times and always thought how smart you were at that age.
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What got me started was a relative that gave me an 1847 liberty-seated dime...EF with a beautiful, original grey patina. I sold that dime to a coin dealer for $26...which was lot of money to me. I asked him about the junk silver in his case and he explained to me that if I found any pre-1965 coins, he'd pay me three-to-one. So I bought some rolls and started searching and was amazed at what I was able to find. This is also what caused me to later specialize in liberty-seated dimes as a collector.

So, being naturally lazy and living in a capitalist society...I quit pushing my mower for hours in the sun to earn maybe $8 a day and started that routine. It definitely is what got my entrepreneurial juices flowing and allowed me to attend A&M on a banking scholarship.
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I was on a local auction site about 12 years ago and started seeing these morgans 1888 and was like no way that coin can only be worth the high bidder at 30 and I bought for 35. Well as it turned out that coin was only worth 18 and the guy I bought it from Tom Gibbs started teaching me about coins and we became good friends till he died
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10 oz Silver Bars (Varied Condition, Any Mint) - Silver.com
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Are collectible coins still a big niche group or has it dwindled?

Have a friend whose dad owns a shop and it sounded like it's good business but the same ol' buyers day in and day out.
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TheMemeGuy said:

Are collectible coins still a big niche group or has it dwindled?

Have a friend whose dad owns a shop and it sounded like it's good business but the same ol' buyers day in and day out.

I'm a "give me ounces" guy. I have no idea about the collectible side of things but I know some folks who love them.

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While I wait to shoot texture

The reason most collectors like graded coins because they know a close price to what they are actually buying and like me when I take my books can show you what the price of that coin may or may not bring at auction

I am better now but I have overpaid on lots of coins because I did not know how to grade

I bought a 1200 coin from a coin shop and was like this looks to clean to be a graded coin and yep I was right

Pcgs sent back to me cleaned and ungraded (pisser)

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TheMemeGuy said:

Are collectible coins still a big niche group or has it dwindled?

Have a friend whose dad owns a shop and it sounded like it's good business but the same ol' buyers day in and day out.

My strong recommendation. Don't ever buy numismatic material almost soley as an investment. Buy great coins that you love that are in great condition. Those are coins you will come to know and if you appreciate them...others will for the same reasons...and they are more likely to appreciate and be a great investment...without intentionally trying to buy them primarily as an investment. There are some beautiful American coins....especially some of the old commemoratives (pre 1960)....collect them for their beauty. Or, create a neat "type set" of quality coins.

And then one day, you may fall in love with a series and start developing expertise. I collect liberty seated dimes...they aren't ugly but they are far from beautiful. I love them because they were the working man's dollar between 1836 and 1891. When I see these dimes...I just think of all the interesting people who once held them and used them to conduct their lives. That's neat to me and so I bought books and started collecting them.

ALWAYS buy the book before the coin. You can become a decent expert on a series. For example, one day about 15 years ago..I'm perusing the liberty seated dimes on Ebay. Ebay is almost always the same either unextraordinary stuff...or its way overpriced. Well, I see a dime that I immediately recognize as a pretty rare variation of the date....the mint mark was converted from one letter to another and it shows. It's highly collectible in the liberty seated dime department. Clearly, the seller (who is a coin dealer) doesn't know liberty seated dimes very well. I paid $40 for the coin and sent it off to be graded. It came back as authentic and almost uncirculated. I took it to the Grapevine coin show a couple of weeks later and sold it for $2,500.

Again....love the coin and then buy it....the investment side will take care of itself if it is a loveable coin.
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I love the history of the coins and what they represented, but I'd never buy some. I was texting with Maddie a while back about some Viking/English coins I was given in hopes to sell em. Wasn't able to figure them out really but if anyone's interested give me a shout (). I try to keep my eyes peeled for older Pennie's and silver coins but other then that I don't buy. More of a trip down memory lane for me.

The shop owner friend (Cleins coin shop - Augusta) gave my dad a biblical coin in an olive box. Thought that was a really cool gift.
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TheMemeGuy said:



The shop owner friend (Cleins coin shop - Augusta) gave my dad a biblical coin in an olive box. Thought that was a really cool gift.

The "widow's mite" is a popular one.
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Silver futures - busy chart. Three colors to watch and what to look for. If you aren't trading futures or SLV, ignore this. It's in the weeds. If you are interested in what the short-term could bring, see below for three distinct possibilities I'm watching. Blue is primary. The other two are alts.



While I don't like the duration of blue (iv) in relation to blue (ii), it does fit a basic rule of alternation (that says if a 2nd wave is shallow and short in time, the 4th should be deeper and longer in time, and vice versa). I'm not going to fight it if it wants to hold as a low. Signs of that happening would be a clear 3-wave decline to a higher low from either current level or a higher level that holds below last week's high, retracing 38.2%-61.8% of the move up off the July 31 low, and then a 5-wave move back to the upside that threatens breakout. Orange would likely indicate the recent high was the 1st wave of a large diagonal, with a deeper move down being all of the second wave or possibly even just the first move of an even deeper 2nd wave that holds abvoe the April low. Yellow would indicate the impulsive structure stays intact and we get a wider wave (iv) that finishes more or less as a flat to last weeks low. The yellow line running across my chart connects the Feb 2021 high with the Oct 2024 high, a line that was surpassed in the recent months, seemingly confirming new breakout, and that we have been re-testing as support.
 
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