We are now what Vanderbilt used to be.
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Last: 3 mo ago by Lemmys Rickenbacker
If we truly serious about winning, than the time has come for us to cut ties with her. I don't care how many players that did not suit up at the end the body of work is not good. It is time we break hiring less experienced coach's bit go get an experienced coach with playoff history.
Trev Alberts saw every single soccer starter quit on Coach G and let him stay, I'm sure winning in non revenue sports isn't a priority. We finished last in the conference and have so hope that is going to change. There is no hope for this program under its current leadership. No recruits want to play for Joni Taylor. We need to pray she can field a roster next year after the transfer portal comes.
I don't think our veterans want to waste their last year of eligibility fighting for last in the conference again while Joni Taylor refuses to field a full roster or land any recruits. And I'm sure our solid players like Sole Williams and Taliyah Parker are being told to come play for contenders rather than whatever is going on here under Joni… Trev Alberts just wants us to sit back and endure another failed season
This will be the first year without 5th year seniors due to Covid in the portal. My prediction is the portal will not be as good as the last few years. Definitely no grad transfers for immediate impact. Prior to Covid it was ideal to transfer after freshman or sophomore year and those were usually players who didn't get playing time.
Yeah, pretty much the only ones entering the portal will be poached players headed to contenders… the rich will stay rich, it's gonna take a hell of a coach to rebuild their roster through the portal 
who would come here anyway
who would come here anyway
The top conferences are going to have significant NIL "revenue sharing" advantage dollars that are going to make them attractive to transfers. There will be a very active transfer market because of this. Could be $50-70K per player in the big conferences with a steep drop off from there. The range is dependent on the % allocated to WBB. The low end of my range above is at 3% of the pool and the high end is at 5%.
It won't really make a difference. Historically power conference players transfer to other power conference teams. They all have revenue share. So no advantage. The few mid majors that move to power conferences are the ones who will benefit most.
Trev Albert's addressed this and said our athletes are in much better positions than most other schools. NIL is insignificant at this point because Joni and her staff cannot win/coach. Take a look at the website Taylor posted regarding who we've signed. NOBODY wants to play for her. We aren't even in their top 16. Money has nothing to do with that. Again / let's point out golf, tennis, softball, and volleyball. They are ALL working with the same and yet the coaches field highly competitive teams. So tired of the NIL argument.
Soooo- you just pulled those numbers out of your ass on a Sunday, or what?
The old NIL discussion I am tired of too. Coaches were responsible for getting what they wanted to be successful, making it happen by selling their vision to those with the $.
To anyone not understanding the numbers, I can't help you understand the change in landscape occurring post House settlement with the direct payment coming from the school. You are simply to not paying attention to what begins this coming Fall. Allocations are not finalized. And the SEC still has to make a decision on whether each school will determine their own allocation or whether there will be a conference wide determined allocation. There is about $20M that A&M will pay its athletes next year direct from the school. If you listen to those involved, women's basketball will get somewhere between 3-5% of it. Do the math yourself. It isn't hard.
To anyone not understanding the numbers, I can't help you understand the change in landscape occurring post House settlement with the direct payment coming from the school. You are simply to not paying attention to what begins this coming Fall. Allocations are not finalized. And the SEC still has to make a decision on whether each school will determine their own allocation or whether there will be a conference wide determined allocation. There is about $20M that A&M will pay its athletes next year direct from the school. If you listen to those involved, women's basketball will get somewhere between 3-5% of it. Do the math yourself. It isn't hard.
I'm not sure where we disagree.
You just threw more word salad than anything Kamala Harris ever threw.
Which is saying *A LOT*
The House settlement does NOT move the needle for women's basketball whatsoever. And certainly not this program, the way it's been operating.
But please, throw up some laughable "what can be, unburdened by what has been" hands up, and act like the House settlement is gonna change anything in this sport.
Which is saying *A LOT*
The House settlement does NOT move the needle for women's basketball whatsoever. And certainly not this program, the way it's been operating.
But please, throw up some laughable "what can be, unburdened by what has been" hands up, and act like the House settlement is gonna change anything in this sport.
20ag07 said:
The House settlement does NOT move the needle for women's basketball whatsoever. And certainly not this program, the way it's been operating.
I'll ignore the attempted political insult. Or let me know if you want to go that direction and I can attempt a zinger too. Do you want it to be a Biden or maybe a Clinton zinger or maybe even a AOC one?
So, I have quoted the meat of your response. What percentage do you think WBB is going to get? That is a pretty straight forward question and is at the center of my last couple of posts here.
And I'm not making a case that Joni is going to win. Just that there is going to be substantial money associated with the big 2 or big 4 conferences in WBB.
I think there is also some confusion here that I am somehow making a case for the status quo in our program. I started a topic here called 202526 season where I shared that our head coach is going to be back next year (barring some late unexpected change in decision). If the media around Aggie sports was doing their job, you would not be hearing that from me. I'm just sharing what I know and I think that sharing of information is being interpreted as if I'm making a case that she has done a good job. That is not what I'm saying.
It would help if you didn't attempt to make your point by using 100 words of word salad to say nothing.Quote:
If the media around Aggie sports was doing their job, you would not be hearing that from me. I'm just sharing what I know and I think that sharing of information is being interpreted as if I'm making a case that she has done a good job. That is not what I'm saying.
20ag07 said:It would help if you didn't attempt to make your point by using 100 words of word salad to say nothing.Quote:
If the media around Aggie sports was doing their job, you would not be hearing that from me. I'm just sharing what I know and I think that sharing of information is being interpreted as if I'm making a case that she has done a good job. That is not what I'm saying.
Are you going to answer my question?
It seems like you are avoiding it to enable you to say nothing but interpersonal bickering.
Didn't really mean to respond directly about this gap. I just mean in general. Sorry
Your question?
Is what- How much are Women's Basketball players going to get paid by the House Settlement?
An immaterial amount.
And Texas A&M is not going to be any more competitive via the House settlement than South Carolina, or Texas, or LSU, or Baylor, or Stanford, or Notre Dame etc.
Not one drop through that.
Is what- How much are Women's Basketball players going to get paid by the House Settlement?
An immaterial amount.
And Texas A&M is not going to be any more competitive via the House settlement than South Carolina, or Texas, or LSU, or Baylor, or Stanford, or Notre Dame etc.
Not one drop through that.
You still haven't answered. I'll quote my question from above since you are having some difficulty.20ag07 said:
Your question?
Is what- How much are Women's Basketball players going to get paid by the House Settlement?
An immaterial amount.
And Texas A&M is not going to be any more competitive via the House settlement than South Carolina, or Texas, or LSU, or Baylor, or Stanford, or Notre Dame etc.
Not one drop through that.
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What percentage do you think WBB is going to get annually? That is a pretty straight forward question and is at the center of my last couple of posts here.
And this % if you will share your opinion for us will be of approximately $20M annually (I think the most recent number is actually $22.5 annually) and going up by 4% every year.
No one knows that.
And it's irrelevant.
Bc every single one of our competitors will be offering the same.
So I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
But maybe you could offer up a double helping of incoherent word salad to try and explain it.
And it's irrelevant.
Bc every single one of our competitors will be offering the same.
So I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
But maybe you could offer up a double helping of incoherent word salad to try and explain it.
At the end of the day, I don't believe she will be fired before her contract is up because of the upcoming House settlement. Trevor has to pay >$20M to student athletes. Based on that he is not writing a check for $1M+ and her assistants.
Simply, not true.20ag07 said:
No one knows that.
And there is nothing left for us to discuss now.
Let me interject both a little common sense and a bit of school history with this post. The one thing that Gary was always capable of during his time here was getting that one "stud" that had the capability of taking the game "by the throat" and making it theirs, but even he could not pull that off his last few seasons. My firm belief is that Joni can coach, but the question is not only can she recruit locally, but nationally as well, so for her to create a stronger foundation for the program, she needs to find that one player that can be considered both the "face" and the "leader" of the roster. (Danielle, Kelsey and to a lesser extent, Chennedy). If she can somehow pull that off, then I say give her a chance, but my suggestion is to wait until all available players are in the current portal until making rash judgments. If she can grab that one body that could make an immediate difference next season, then stand back and give her room. If that doesn't happen, then you start the analysis of who could be the next in charge…
At the end of the day we'll pick another **** coach. It never fails here. I mean look at baseball. We went from national title contender to laughing stock in one month. Women's basketball is a joke. Football will always be 8-4 or worse no matter who we hire. did I miss anything?
How many years do you give her? Or are you saying this is her last chance?
Volleyball and softball made great hires! Both made the sweet sixteen in year 2 and are expected to have monster year 3's. Softball ranked top 5 right now and volleyball in the fall. The opposite of what's happening right now in women's basketball.
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She hasn't been able to do it to date. Not only that the current roster is in shambles. What makes anyone think this is even a possibility? In the least she's going to have to get some new assistants - which is really hard if you are a lame duck.vinmac300 said:
Let me interject both a little common sense and a bit of school history with this post. The one thing that Gary was always capable of during his time here was getting that one "stud" that had the capability of taking the game "by the throat" and making it theirs, but even he could not pull that off his last few seasons. My firm belief is that Joni can coach, but the question is not only can she recruit locally, but nationally as well, so for her to create a stronger foundation for the program, she needs to find that one player that can be considered both the "face" and the "leader" of the roster. (Danielle, Kelsey and to a lesser extent, Chennedy). If she can somehow pull that off, then I say give her a chance, but my suggestion is to wait until all available players are in the current portal until making rash judgments. If she can grab that one body that could make an immediate difference next season, then stand back and give her room. If that doesn't happen, then you start the analysis of who could be the next in charge…
yeah - agree. the current recruiting is in shambles and the two we did recruit seem so off brand for who they are as coaches. head scratchers for sure. was that because those are the only girls they could recruit and sign? looking at the 2025 and 2026 recruiting lists - year 5 will be just as bad. i know they were attempting to recruit; we saw them on the road. it seems they just have nothing to offer current recruits and who wants to play for this mess?
My concern with her is the teams seem to be getting worse each year. I have patience for coaches where the teams are progressing over time / achieving consistent great results. Buzz Williams is showing signs that this year that he has been getting better almost every year (except the Covid year where everything was a mess).
I thought she was a home run hire when we made it but the results have shown otherwise. It is time to move on.
I thought she was a home run hire when we made it but the results have shown otherwise. It is time to move on.
…. But let's also keep in mind that it is not always going to be about the money, but about the person and the fit that they have inside the program and at the school. Look at men's hoops as a perfect example; for every Shelby and Billy G, there was a Kermit, Tony and Melvin, so sometimes it simply doesn't work out, even with great intentions. The other factor to consider is that unlike most of the other schools in the conference, women's hoops doesn't have the history or the accomplishments as compared to say, Tennessee. That's not to say it can't happen, what's it simply a matter of just having the dice fall your way sometimes. Are the assets and the facilities in place on campus? Yes. Is there a strong desire to make it work and will both the student body and alumni to support the program? Yes. The biggest reason why the entire situation can "go south" much more quickly now than it used to is because we play in the strongest conference in the country. Every meaningful game now is that much more difficult to win simply because of who we are as a university and the desire by every other school in the conference to bash our brains in on a nightly basis, even moreso now with t.u. back in "the fold". Obviously, some of you are correct that we missed an opportunity to grab Vic when it became apparent that Gary was edging closer to calling it a day, but that is water under the bridge and with the momentum he has built where he is right now, I don't think there's a realistic chance in hell that he would ever end up moving again.
Unfortunately, there are things that go on inside the program we will never know. i'd love to know their explanation for how poorly we've done in recruiting. does Trev look at this and think the same - ask those same questions? Is it not a concern of his?
At this point, I'm more inclined to go for someone young and hungry and see if that will work. Someone that will sign a 3 year contract and expect an increase structure based on program success (whatever metrics they agree upon). Offering someone 5 years who had 1 good year at another consistently good program wasn't the brightest of ideas. I'm not sure if they swung and missed elsewhere, or if Joni was always the target. Again, probably things we will never know.
At this point, I'm more inclined to go for someone young and hungry and see if that will work. Someone that will sign a 3 year contract and expect an increase structure based on program success (whatever metrics they agree upon). Offering someone 5 years who had 1 good year at another consistently good program wasn't the brightest of ideas. I'm not sure if they swung and missed elsewhere, or if Joni was always the target. Again, probably things we will never know.
So…anything change yet? Her season is over but they're waiting for the NCAA to make it official?
People defending her seem to be forgetting - she was kinda mid at Georgia. We hired her with the idea that getting her to a place where she could recruit Texas heavily and built off of that talent would elevate her and her program.Kansas Kid said:
My concern with her is the teams seem to be getting worse each year. I have patience for coaches where the teams are progressing over time / achieving consistent great results. Buzz Williams is showing signs that this year that he has been getting better almost every year (except the Covid year where everything was a mess).
I thought she was a home run hire when we made it but the results have shown otherwise. It is time to move on.
Well, recruiting is hot garbage and our program is worse than when she got here.
Someone needs to explain the reasoning behind giving her another year other than well we made the tourney last year (even though we looked like hot garbage when we got there).