Bruce Almighty said:
The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.
CharleyKerfeld said:
Well this is concerning.
If Page isn't Achilles, I'm not sure that the 3 people repeatedly posting unflattering pictures of Lupita N'yongo to prove she's too ugly to play Helen of Troy can carry the hate of this thread all the way to the movie's release date.
TCTTS said:
Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.
Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).
Could it end up being true?
Sure, it's possible.
But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.
Bruce Almighty said:
The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.
bonfarr said:
I don't understand the incessant White Knighting this film from a certain poster. If someone says they won't like a film and don't plan to see it WGAF?
Hardcore Greg said:TCTTS said:
Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.
Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).
Could it end up being true?
Sure, it's possible.
But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.
I agree with the first part of the bolded statement. He seems like a Nick Saban type...focused on the product and execution and seems to have zero time or interest in all of the drama/gossip/culture-war stuff.
Re: the latter half...are you claiming that IF Elliot page is actually cast as Achilles, that it won't affect the box office numbers at all? I can tell you that I absolutely will not see it in theaters if she is cast in that role (I don't think she will be). I think there are lots of people who will lose all interest in this movie if that is the choice he makes...even if it's supposed to be a weak and diminished version of Achilles. Tens of millions of people are just s*ck of that stupid kind of sh** and it will absolutely be perceived by many as a ridiculous "hyper woke" choice. My apologies if I am misinterpreting your statement.
Hardcore Greg said:TCTTS said:
Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.
Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).
Could it end up being true?
Sure, it's possible.
But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.
I agree with the first part of the bolded statement. He seems like a Nick Saban type...focused on the product and execution and seems to have zero time or interest in all of the drama/gossip/culture-war stuff.
Re: the latter half...are you claiming that IF Elliot page is actually cast as Achilles, that it won't affect the box office numbers at all? I can tell you that I absolutely will not see it in theaters if she is cast in that role (I don't think she will be). I think there are lots of people who will lose all interest in this movie if that is the choice he makes...even if it's supposed to be a weak and diminished version of Achilles. Tens of millions of people are just s*ck of that stupid kind of sh** and it will absolutely be perceived by many as a ridiculous "hyper woke" choice. My apologies if I am misinterpreting your statement.
CharleyKerfeld said:
So I did the exact same prompt, except using Donnie Most (Ralph from Happy Days) as the actor, and look what happened.
CharleyKerfeld said:
Hardcore Greg said:Bruce Almighty said:
The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.
I get that you are frustrated and trying to fire broad shots/insults....but this could not be further from the truth imo...at least for the vast majority who are criticizing this hypothetical casting selection.
Lathspell said:Hardcore Greg said:Bruce Almighty said:
The ones *****ing the most about the possibility of Page playing Achilles will also be the ones that will be the most disappointed if it turns out to not be true.
I get that you are frustrated and trying to fire broad shots/insults....but this could not be further from the truth imo...at least for the vast majority who are criticizing this hypothetical casting selection.
I was literally going to reply to him with the same idea, but ended up just deleting my post because it would accomplish nothing. These are the types of trolling posts that make me roll my eyes.
Literally, the majority of us who have been critical have qualified our criticisms with some variation of, "We'll see" and "I hope it's good". People like that and TC are just trolls or truly lack the cognitive ability to differentiate nuance in a critique or argument.
I've seen every Nolan film, since Batman Begins, in the theatre, except for Tenet (due to COVID bull****). I, and many others on this thread, have listed Nolan as being in their top directors of all time. Our posts verbalize our desire for a great movie. Then you have trolls post **** like that. This is why these threads devolve into ****-flinging.
TCTTS said:Hardcore Greg said:TCTTS said:
Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.
Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).
Could it end up being true?
Sure, it's possible.
But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.
I agree with the first part of the bolded statement. He seems like a Nick Saban type...focused on the product and execution and seems to have zero time or interest in all of the drama/gossip/culture-war stuff.
Re: the latter half...are you claiming that IF Elliot page is actually cast as Achilles, that it won't affect the box office numbers at all? I can tell you that I absolutely will not see it in theaters if she is cast in that role (I don't think she will be). I think there are lots of people who will lose all interest in this movie if that is the choice he makes...even if it's supposed to be a weak and diminished version of Achilles. Tens of millions of people are just s*ck of that stupid kind of sh** and it will absolutely be perceived by many as a ridiculous "hyper woke" choice. My apologies if I am misinterpreting your statement.
What I'm saying is, if Page-as-Achilles is true (though, yeah, I'm damn near convinced it's not), if the outrage remained at the level it is now - even if you and everyone like you on TexAgs boycotted the movie - no, it wouldn't have an affect. Whether you like it or not, we are the extremely online, and the extremely online doesn't sway the box office. Not on a Christopher Nolan blockbuster with this cast. MAYBE it puts a small dent in the box office, but that's it.
What I then went on to clarify is, if in this hypothetical, Page-as-Achilles "went mainstream" - as in Jesse Waters & co started ranting about it on Fox News and the like - then, yes, I *do* think the news would affect the box office. Not into "bomb" territory or anything like that, it just wouldn't be quite as successful as it otherwise would have been. After all, if Achilles is even in the movie, it's likely ONE scene of him rising from the dirt, covered in dirt, with a few lines of dialogue tops. That's it. And if this movie is indeed Christopher-Nolan-great, word spreads, and it becomes another Oppenheimer like hit, I'm sorry, even people like you aren't staying away because of 30 seconds of Trans Zombie Achilles. And even if you, specifically, do, too many others would be too curious to see what all the incredible buzz is about.
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Have to remember you do not live in normal, mainstream America
CharleyKerfeld said:Quote:
Have to remember you do not live in normal, mainstream America
Dear TC, you are a ****ing psycho living in hell on Earth, please remember this for your future posts.
jenn96 said:
Page is not playing Achilles. I don't have any insider info but there's no evidence that it's true and some circumstantial evidence that it's not (which TC posted above). The only reason this rumor continues to be a thing is because both sides have a vested interest in keeping it going for clicks and outrage.
Hardcore Greg said:CharleyKerfeld said:Quote:
Have to remember you do not live in normal, mainstream America
Dear TC, you are a ****ing psycho living in hell on Earth, please remember this for your future posts.
LOL not saying that at all, but I stand by my statement. Same could be said about most living in NYC. The vast majority of Americans simply do not think AT ALL like the majority in these blue coastal bubbles.
jenn96 said:Hardcore Greg said:CharleyKerfeld said:Quote:
Have to remember you do not live in normal, mainstream America
Dear TC, you are a ****ing psycho living in hell on Earth, please remember this for your future posts.
LOL not saying that at all, but I stand by my statement. Same could be said about most living in NYC. The vast majority of Americans simply do not think AT ALL like the majority in these blue coastal bubbles.
No they don't but they're not going to get all wound up about a 5 minute cameo in a movie based on an ancient Greek poem that 90% of the public cliff-noted in high school.
Lathspell said:
Show me the quote where I said it's the "singular issue".
And yes, I hope that a game studio, who pushes woke bull****, ultimately fails so their shareholders put pressure on them to back away from the woke stuff.
But we aren't talking about the games industry. We are talking about The Odyssey. The post to which both I and Hardcore Greg replied to was specifically about The Odyssey.
I also revel in the complete failure of all the Disney slop because it is so inundated with that culture.
Nolan has never shown to capitulate to the woke/DEI agenda, as far as I've seen. But the unforced error of the Lupita casting was simply stupid. I still hope the movie turns out being great.
Again... lack of nuance.
jenn96 said:
Haha it is and I stand by it.
I just hope it's a good movie that does justice to the source material. And ideally doesn't look like it was filmed through a smog filter at midnight the whole time.
I thought Heath Ledger was a stupid choice to play the Joker too once upon a time.
