I posted the article because of how hilarious the South Park behind-the-scenes stuff was - in hopes that it would lighten the mood around here and we could all share a laugh - and also because it offered a birds-eye-view of the entire deal-making process. The Colbert thing was literally only one sentence in the entire article. But nice try.
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TCTTS said:
How many times do I and others have to say that Colbert's show was cancelled primarily for financial reasons, that late night talk shows are a dying format, that the writing was already on the wall, etc. I've repeated those things over and over and over again in this thread. No where did I say it got canceled "for anything but." Again, my only additional point, shared by the vast majority of coverage/reporting, as it pertains to the Skydance/Paramount deal, is simply that the Trump of it all ALSO played a part. That it was a consideration on the part of Ellison & co, in so much as it would likely earn them favor. Alongside their DEI concessions and everything else they just so happen to make public this past week. Countless, trustworthy reporters/insiders/experts have acknowledged this, who have endlessly proven that they have more than "zero idea" what went on behind the scenes. That some of you so easily discount and "lol" at them is just as much of a display of your biases, opposite whatever you claim mine are.
Lol. Hyperbole much?
There are probably a handful of people that actually know what transpired behind the scenes. I personally wouldn't include "countless, trustworthy (lol) reporter/insider/experts in that group. We all know that the main stream media, and particularly west coast, entertainment reporters are as pure as the wind driven snow and don't have any political bias at all.
As I said, the show lost tons of money and it got cancelled. That is squarely on Colbert and his producers - and the network gave them far more rope than most people would have gotten had they failed that miserably at their job.
You're just underlining my point yet again. You don't agree with them, therefore they can't be legit, haven't proven themselves through their past reporting, etc. You're being just as bias/one-sided as you're claiming I'm being.
How one can say it was definitely a factor when they literally just ran the exact same decision-making playbook on Late Late Show, which is the same outdated money pit dinosaur, is funny. This show's tombstone got prepped in 2022. The rest has just been waiting out contracts
TCTTS said:
How many times do I and others have to say that Colbert's show was cancelled primarily for financial reasons, that late night talk shows are a dying format, that the writing was already on the wall, etc. I've repeated those things over and over and over again in this thread. No where did I say it got canceled "for anything but." Again, my only additional point, shared by the vast majority of coverage/reporting, as it pertains to the Skydance/Paramount deal, is simply that the Trump of it all ALSO played a part. That it was a consideration on the part of Ellison & co, in so much as it would likely earn them favor, alongside their DEI concessions and everything else they just so happen to make public this past week. Countless, trustworthy reporters/insiders/experts have acknowledged this, who have endlessly proven that they have more than "zero idea" what went on behind the scenes. That some of you so easily discount and "lol" at them is just as much of a display of your biases, opposite whatever you claim mine are.
I agree with you with a slight difference.
Anyone with any critical thinking skills knows this decision was a financial decision based on poor macro trends with this format that was exacerbated by an overly one-sided slant to the left side of aisle. I think we can all agree on this point.
I also agree Trump played a part but in the following differing manner: Trump's lawsuit and expected social media crowing gave these guys the perfect cover story to end a show they had already planned on ending. This is classic "never let a crisis go to waste" strategy. We already know they had planned on cancelling this show before Trump's lawsuit.
They had already started cleaning house with this format with Cordan's show before Trump even came along. The writing has been on the wall for a relatively long time. Then this Trump fight falls right into their lap and gives them cover for pulling the plug they've had their hand on for months. They don't have to say much or anything. They can just let the fans and pro-Colbert folks (Democrats) think and blame this on Trump and corporate kowtowing to Trump while making the bottom-line improvement they've been wanting to make for a while but were scared to because they knew their primary constituents would lose their ***** This way they can use Trump as boogeyman while doing it.
Some will say this is conspiracy theory and I will reply with...look at everything that has happened since 2016 that were called conspiracy theories that have since been proven true. What I have posted here is perfectly reasonable and a feasible strategy. Hell, take Trump out of this. Business decisions like this have been made a million times over the years using some secondary event as cover for making an unpopular financial decision. It's happening right this minute with AI and companies laying off people and not hiring because of AI.
It's literally the majority opinion among those reporting on the story as it relates to the deal. You can argue that they're wrong, but you can't argue that it's not the majority. Simply go look for yourself. I know that would require actual research and effort, and not relying on your own "expertise"/predisposed opinions, but it's the truth.
They are wrong. There was no chance Colbert's contract was getting renewed. None. Actual research and effort = understanding the logic behind the Late Late strategy and how it's obvious they set their future strategy for these shows back then. The answer can't be both if that was the strategy. It was set.
TCTTS said:
I posted the article because of how hilarious the South Park behind-the-scenes stuff was - in hopes that it would lighten the mood around here and we could all share a laugh - and also because it offered a birds-eye-view of the entire deal-making process. The Colbert thing was literally only one sentence in the entire article. But nice try.
Hey, lightening the mood and bringing us together for what's truly important was my idea when I posted that picture of Sydney Sweeney. But, people blue starred it and went right back to arguing.
TCTTS said:
You're just underlining my point yet again. You don't agree with them, therefore they can't be legit, haven't proven themselves through their past reporting, etc. You're being just as bias/one-sided as you're claiming I'm being.
Kind of how like you, and other like minded folks like Cher, Joy Reid, and Rachel Maddow are all so filled with hatred for Trump, he can't possibly ever say or do anything right. Cept he's far more honest (for all his faults) than those people, or any of the media "experts" being referenced.
I'm going to say exactly what you guys have been saying to me. "You can't possible know that. You don't know what went on behind the scenes." In fact, had the Skydance deal not been in the works, there is absolutely a world in which the show could have been renewed for another season. Why draw the line now? Again, the show was 100% going to be cancelled regardless in the next three years or so. I've said that numerous times. But whether it was this season or next almost assuredly played into the Skydance deal, which gave it the perfect cover.
Oh good lord don't do the lazy, cliched thing and lump me in with those people, none of whom I agree with. I've given Trump credit for the good things he's done plenty of times. That doesn't mean I still can't think he's a bully and an ******* and has a long history of shady, litigious behavior.
TCTTS said:
I've given Trump credit for the good things he's done plenty of times.
Been enjoying that lighter LA traffic these last few weeks?
He signed a 5 year deal followed by two 3 year deals which were both done a year ahead of his existing deal expiring. CBS choosing to offer another 3 year extension this summer makes no sense because it drags this money pit out 4 years, which to avoid that, you have to assume Colbert would be good dropping to a 1-2 year extension that screams "we have no long-term faith in you; we are likely about to cancel your ass" (fat chance). This was the time to kill it. Actually way past time; they really shouldn't have done the last 3 year deal.
Maybe these fancypants journalists should do some research of their own along with applying a scintilla of logic
Maybe these fancypants journalists should do some research of their own along with applying a scintilla of logic
I dunno my man. The only way I could see Trump being any "part" of this decision to fire Colbert is that he won the election in the manner he did. That may very well have played a part in top brass realizing Colbert is the sad sack of money losing trash that he is, but him being on the air, dancing around and writing ridiculous songs like a buffoon while being completely deranged was good for business for Trump.
This, imo is as simple as a network realizing how stupid they've been for so long and not wasting an opportunity to shed a ton of dead weight.
This, imo is as simple as a network realizing how stupid they've been for so long and not wasting an opportunity to shed a ton of dead weight.
Yeah, that's a myth. Traffic is still as bad as ever. Notice how all of those claims just so happened to coordinate with the week of July 4th, when everyone either leaves town or isn't driving to work as much.
Off the top of my head, though, what I will give Trump credit for is slashing plenty of needless regulations/censorships, combating/killing extreme wokeness, his handling of certain foreign affairs, and admittedly being available to the media more than any other president. The border's no doubt better as well, but hunting down nannies and yard guys is too extreme for my taste, as is that ridiculous Alligator Alcatraz. While the jury's still out on parts of the economy. In many regards it's absolutely better, but in others he hasn't come close to delivering on certain promises yet.
Off the top of my head, though, what I will give Trump credit for is slashing plenty of needless regulations/censorships, combating/killing extreme wokeness, his handling of certain foreign affairs, and admittedly being available to the media more than any other president. The border's no doubt better as well, but hunting down nannies and yard guys is too extreme for my taste, as is that ridiculous Alligator Alcatraz. While the jury's still out on parts of the economy. In many regards it's absolutely better, but in others he hasn't come close to delivering on certain promises yet.
TCTTS said:Sea Speed said:
You can just not respond if you feel like you're making the same argument ad infinitum and the discussion is going in circles. That is definitely a viable option in such scenarios.
Funny how you're not saying the same thing to everyone else who has made the same argument opposite mine, ad infintum. That is definitely a viable option to you.
No one else seems to be complaining about saying the same thing over and over again, over and over again.
DannyDuberstein said:
He signed a 5 year deal followed by two 3 year deals which were both done a year ahead of his existing deal expiring. CBS choosing to offer another 3 year extension this summer makes no sense because it drags this money pit out 4 years, which to avoid that, you have to assume Colbert would be good dropping to a 1-2 year extension that screams "we have no long-term faith in you; we are likely about to cancel your ass" (fat chance). This was the time to kill it. Actually way past time; they really shouldn't have done the last 3 year deal.
Maybe these fancypants journalists should do some research of their own along with applying a scintilla of logic
I'll give you this… this is the first rational rebuttal in this thread backed up with actual, additional stats beyond the basic $100M cost/losing $40M per year stat, that also doesn't read like it's trying to defend Trump as desperately as I'm apparently trying to blame him. I can buy this narrative, up to a point. The exact timing of it all is still far beyond coincidental, given everything else we know, what else transpired the past week, Carr's direct quotes, etc. But this argument at least makes sense, and without sounding like a fervent Trump defender or someone ****ting on an opinion simply because it's coming from me.
It's been seven months. We won't see full effects on the economy that fast.
Being able to apply basic unemotional math and logic = ardent Trump supporter. LOL at that take
These journalists are actually the ones echoing lazy takes.
These journalists are actually the ones echoing lazy takes.
Did you consider the timing of the announcement (given apparently his people knew of it a while back) could have been done to protect him and generate the type of consideration you are now giving him? Softens the beach for him.
DannyDuberstein said:
Being able to apply basic unemotional math and logic = ardent Trump supporter. LOL at that take
These journalists are actually the ones echoing lazy takes.
What? That's not at all what I said. In fact, quite the opposite.
I'm talking about the fact this entire thread my argument has been $40mm annual loss + dinosaur format = canceled. Period.
Bunk Moreland said:
Did you consider the timing of the announcement (given apparently his people knew of it a while back) could have been done to protect him and generate the type of consideration you are now giving him? Softens the beach for him.
I don't know quite what this means. Protect Trump? And softens what how? Genuinely asking.
Either way, as a said earlier, there is absolutely no way Colbert's agent knew about the cancellation and didn't did tell him for weeks. On no planet does that make sense, especially considering Colbert's agent also reps Kimmel, Stewart, and Bill Simmons, to name a few, who would all drop him had he kept that kind of monumental news from a client. You (the collective you, not you specifically) can't believe that one, single report, just because it reinforces your narrative, and treat it as gospel, while simultaneously ignoring/mocking all the reports I've pointed to, which just so happen to disagree with your narrative.
DannyDuberstein said:
I'm talking about the fact this entire thread my argument has been $40mm annual loss + dinosaur format = canceled. Period.
JFC, dude, I was trying to find some common ground, reach out an olive branch, etc.
Soften the beach for Colbert. As in his own employer doing him a favor by dropping the news in the midst of the other muck they're caught up in, giving him something to cling on to.
He means it plays for Colbert to have a boogeyman vs the cold hard reality of his dinosaur money pit show coming to a logical conclusion. Not unlike "I'm going to spend more time with my family" for Corden. Offers some cover. Egos get spared.
I could potentially buy that. It would at least partly explain the insanely coincidental timing.
TCTTS said:
I could potentially buy that. It would at least partly explain the insanely coincidental timing.
Dammit, that's exactly what I said above.
I missed it!
TCTTS said:
You're just underlining my point yet again. You don't agree with them, therefore they can't be legit, haven't proven themselves through their past reporting, etc. You're being just as bias/one-sided as you're claiming I'm being.
Or they have proven time and time again over the past 10 to 15 years across multiple news stories that they are completely unable to be objective and carry a bias. They simply don't have the credibility anymore.
I get that certain mainstream media outlets have lost the public's trust over the last decade or so. But when someone immediately jumps to "they're all liars" or "we can't trust a single word any of them say," I can only roll my eyes, because only paranoid, politically obsessed people talk that way. It's especially telling when, again, the reporting consistently happens to be on the opposite side of that person's opinions/bias.
And an outlet like Puck News, who has been covering the Paramount/Skydance deal in depth, from the jump, and has proven time and again that they're embedded in the proceedings? You can't lump them in with CNN or whatever. Specifically, Matt Belloni is as legit and as plugged in as they come, has zero history of being overly political/liberal, etc.
It's just so lazy and in such bad faith to conveniently paint them all with the same brush.
And an outlet like Puck News, who has been covering the Paramount/Skydance deal in depth, from the jump, and has proven time and again that they're embedded in the proceedings? You can't lump them in with CNN or whatever. Specifically, Matt Belloni is as legit and as plugged in as they come, has zero history of being overly political/liberal, etc.
It's just so lazy and in such bad faith to conveniently paint them all with the same brush.
Cliff.Booth said:TCTTS said:
Countless, trustworthy reporters/insiders/experts have acknowledged this, who have endlessly proven that they have more than "zero idea" what went on behind the scenes.
I dunno bro, I think the only thing that would convince me that these reporters believe this is if you find and post an entire article by one of them here....
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I can only roll my eyes, because only paranoid, politically obsessed people talk that way.
It's not our duty or obligation to believe them. They burnt that, we didn't.
This is why I've pretty much tuned out all media, left or right, and form my own conclusions based on facts and what's most obvious. And why i absolutely loathe conspiracy theories.
TCTTS said:
It's literally the majority opinion among those reporting on the story as it relates to the deal. You can argue that they're wrong, but you can't argue that it's not the majority. Simply go look for yourself. I know that would require actual research and effort, and not relying on your own "expertise"/predisposed opinions, but it's the truth.
The majority opinion of people like this
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