Kimmel Pulled Off Air Indefinitely

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In reply to Sapper Redux • 9:45a
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AGC said:
htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****

The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.

And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.


Maybe, but maybe not. If the FCC is supposed to police such things and didn't, would actual enforcement be bad? We live in the era of Kamala's edited interview and the aftermath. Perhaps this is indicative of the FCC taking its mission or partial mission seriously, and the people who lived most outside the lines now have to be accountable.

I'm not sold on the big bad fcc narrative yet.

Good lord. Yes, let's have the FCC micromanaging the editing of interviews and monologues of talkshow hosts. Funny how it's only cases that benefit Trump that are the problem here.


So what is their purpose again? Just hand out licenses and check out? Or do they do more? Are they capable of doing more than one thing at a time? I'll hang up and listen…
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 9:50a
Sapper Redux said:
javajaws said:
Sapper Redux said:
LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.

I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.

"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.

You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?

This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.

As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.

So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?

The white house calling social media companies and telling them to do things is not social pressure. That's an absurd claim.
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So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 9:54a
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Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.
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In reply to schmendeler • 9:55a
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Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.


You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 9:56a
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Thunderstruck xx said:
schmendeler said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.


You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.


Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.
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In reply to schmendeler • 9:58a
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Thunderstruck xx said:
schmendeler said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.


You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.


Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.


I haven't said anything to that effect, but it is clear many on this thread don't need a smoking gun to spread lies that this is government censorship of free speech. Look in a mirror.
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Not sure this applies as I've done very little research.

Thomas Sowell- When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.

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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 10:18a
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Thunderstruck xx said:
schmendeler said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
schmendeler said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.


You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.


Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.


I haven't said anything to that effect, but it is clear many on this thread don't need a smoking gun to spread lies that this is government censorship of free speech. Look in a mirror.

We have been looking in a mirror. We see ourselves getting banned, censored, debanked, deplatformed, called names (REPEATEDLY), doxxed, lied to and lied about all the time.

And since when did the government censor anything here? Talk about another lie/misinformation. If ABC thought they were in the right and had nothing to fear from the FCC they could have fought it in court. But no - instead ABC took action by themselves and the government didn't censor anything.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:25a
Sapper Redux said:
javajaws said:
Sapper Redux said:
LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.

I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.

"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.

You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?

This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.

As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.

So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?

the Federally employed left literally had backdoor access and people working at X and Facebook moderating content.
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c-jags said:
Sapper Redux said:
javajaws said:
Sapper Redux said:
LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.

I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.

"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.

You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?

This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.

As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.

So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?

the Federally employed left literally had backdoor access and people working at X and Facebook moderating content.

Oh stop that - you know the leftists don't like admitting when they had their hand in the cookie jar!
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 10:54a
Thunderstruck xx said:
schmendeler said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.


No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.


You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.

If your boss says, "don't do this or you might be fired," or a cop says,"If you do this we're going to have to investigate you," is that just harmlessly stating an opinion with nothing behind it?
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Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said that people like me were greatest threat to national security the country faced. Was that just a harmless opinion?

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Urban Ag said:
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said that people like me were greatest threat to national security the country faced. Was that just a harmless opinion?

Do you deny the results of the 2020 election? Did you participate in the Jan 6 riot that sought to stop the peaceful transfer of power and ensure Trump remained in power?

No? Then he wasn't talking about you.
Yes? Well, then you are.
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This!!!! And I immediately stopped watching both and couldn't understand why their cast mates or union didn't come to their support. So one sided it's pathetic! I'll just continue to watch old movies on tcm and tubi. F them



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Claiming "Gina Caron had the most popular show on streaming" as if she had literally anything to do with it is like me saying the most dominant NBA team ever belonged to "Harrison Barnes' 72 win Warriors Team."
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Claiming "Gina Caron had the most popular show on streaming" as if she had literally anything to do with it is like me saying the most dominant NBA team ever belonged to "Harrison Barnes' 72 win Warriors Team."

Reposting anything Clay Travis says should be an automatic 24 hour ban
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The difference is, the FCC didn't publicly threaten anyone to make ether of those firings.

I don't know how many more times we have to say this, but...

NO. ONE. HERE. IS. MAD. THAT. KIMMEL. GOT. SUSPENDED. BY. DISNEY.

For the umpteenth time, that's not the issue.

It's that the FCC and Trump are publicly threatening to silence speech they don't like, and that the affiliates likely capitulated to them due to the fact they need the FCC to approve an unprecedented merger.

This isn't rocket science.
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Reposting anything Jon Stewart says should be an automatic 24 hour ban


FIFY

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I've now agreed with/supported both Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz in this thread. That's how messed up this whole situation is...

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TCTTS said:

So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.
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M.C. Swag said:
Ag87H2O said:

Claiming "Gina Caron had the most popular show on streaming" as if she had literally anything to do with it is like me saying the most dominant NBA team ever belonged to "Harrison Barnes' 72 win Warriors Team."

Reposting anything Clay Travis says should be an automatic 24 hour ban

as opposed to Jake Tapper or Glen Greenwald, paragons of truth?
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TCTTS said:

So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.


I seriously worry about some of y'all's basic reading comprehension skills sometimes...

"If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so."

... which clearly means that ABC's actions in firing Kimmel can be justified, implying that Kimmel was in the wrong, etc, etc.

The point he's making is that this whole situation might have unfolded differently if Carr didn't first make public threats.

I swear, it will never not be insane to me how some of you are bending over backwards to excuse government threats/censorship just because you hate a comedian.

Jimmy Kimmel can suck AND the FCC/Trump can be in the wrong here.

Both things can be true at once!

It's okay to admit that. No one's going to come after your F16 bonafides if you do.
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Drunken Overseas Bettor said:
M.C. Swag said:
Ag87H2O said:

Claiming "Gina Caron had the most popular show on streaming" as if she had literally anything to do with it is like me saying the most dominant NBA team ever belonged to "Harrison Barnes' 72 win Warriors Team."

Reposting anything Clay Travis says should be an automatic 24 hour ban



Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe you'll like this one better.
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I don't really care what happened, my sole point is that Clay Travis is an idiot. If you want to debate that point, fine. All of the "gotcha' responses are going over my head because I don't know who the other people are.
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TCTTS said:
Hagen95 said:
TCTTS said:

So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.


I seriously worry about some of y'all's basic reading comprehension skills sometimes...

"If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so."

... which clearly means that ABC's actions in firing Kimmel can be justified, implying that Kimmel was in the wrong, etc, etc.

The point he's making is that this whole situation might have unfolded differently if Carr didn't first make public threats.

I swear, it will never not be insane to me how some of you are bending over backwards to excuse government threats/censorship just because you hate a comedian.

Jimmy Kimmel can suck AND the FCC/Trump can be in the wrong here.

Both things can be true at once!

It's okay to admit that. No one's going to come after your F16 bonafides if you do.

It's okay to admit that Carr wouldn't have made any public threats if Jimmy Kimmel would not have made idiotic public statements in front of a national TV audience. Your F13 bonifides won't be affected if you admit that.


These kind of statements serve no purpose but to inflame who you are replying to. Do you even see how inflammatory you're being? Is Brandon paying you to keep this thread going?
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I don't really care what happened, my sole point is that Clay Travis is an idiot. If you want to debate that point, fine. All of the "gotcha' responses are going over my head because I don't know who the other people are.

can you show me on the doll where Clay touched you?
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Hagen95 said:
TCTTS said:
Hagen95 said:
TCTTS said:

So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.


I seriously worry about some of y'all's basic reading comprehension skills sometimes...

"If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so."

... which clearly means that ABC's actions in firing Kimmel can be justified, implying that Kimmel was in the wrong, etc, etc.

The point he's making is that this whole situation might have unfolded differently if Carr didn't first make public threats.

I swear, it will never not be insane to me how some of you are bending over backwards to excuse government threats/censorship just because you hate a comedian.

Jimmy Kimmel can suck AND the FCC/Trump can be in the wrong here.

Both things can be true at once!

It's okay to admit that. No one's going to come after your F16 bonafides if you do.

It's okay to admit that Carr wouldn't have made any public threats if Jimmy Kimmel would not have made idiotic public statements in front of a national TV audience. Your F13 bonifides won't be affected if you admit that.


These kind of statements serve no purpose but to inflame who you are replying to. Do you even see how inflammatory you're being? Is Brandon paying you to keep this thread going?


Now you're just showing your ass with a ridiculous "I know you are but what am I?"

The whole point is that the FCC shouldn't be threatening anyone. That's... the entire crux of the issue here. The FCC does not exist to threaten broadcasters/affiliates in the name of stifling free speech. Ha, why on earth would I or anyone who cares about the first amendment admit that that's okay?

Also, if you think I'm being "inflammatory," I don't know what to tell you.
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batchuser said:
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This!!!! And I immediately stopped watching both and couldn't understand why their cast mates or union didn't come to their support. So one sided it's pathetic! I'll just continue to watch old movies on tcm and tubi. F them
Yeah, they really should have stepped up and defended Roseanne comparing a black person to apes. Some people have no integrity.
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