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schmendeler said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.

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No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.

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You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.

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Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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schmendeler said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.

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No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.

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You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.

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Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.

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I haven't said anything to that effect, but it is clear many on this thread don't need a smoking gun to spread lies that this is government censorship of free speech. Look in a mirror.

Not sure this applies as I've done very little research.

Thomas Sowell- When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.

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schmendeler said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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schmendeler said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.

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No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.

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You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.

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Don't pretend you need a smoking gun because you wouldn't believe it either.

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I haven't said anything to that effect, but it is clear many on this thread don't need a smoking gun to spread lies that this is government censorship of free speech. Look in a mirror.

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We have been looking in a mirror. We see ourselves getting banned, censored, debanked, deplatformed, called names (REPEATEDLY), doxxed, lied to and lied about all the time.

And since when did the government censor anything here? Talk about another lie/misinformation. If ABC thought they were in the right and had nothing to fear from the FCC they could have fought it in court. But no - instead ABC took action by themselves and the government didn't censor anything.

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So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.

I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.

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"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.

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You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?

This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.

As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.

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So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?

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the Federally employed left literally had backdoor access and people working at X and Facebook moderating content.

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So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.

I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.

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"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.

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You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?

This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.

As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.

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So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?

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the Federally employed left literally had backdoor access and people working at X and Facebook moderating content.

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Oh stop that - you know the leftists don't like admitting when they had their hand in the cookie jar!

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.

It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.

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No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.

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You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.

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If your boss says, "don't do this or you might be fired," or a cop says,"If you do this we're going to have to investigate you," is that just harmlessly stating an opinion with nothing behind it?

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said that people like me were greatest threat to national security the country faced. Was that just a harmless opinion?

I forget that he said this👇 https://t.co/s6EPkoFnea

— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) September 19, 2025

Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

If you are a follower and have not seen this reported today:

Too late to dig out links to the info, but tomorrow should provide much info that Kimmel getting canceled was because -- without regard to the FCC -- Disney told Kimmel he needed to apologize on Wednesday night's show,…

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) September 19, 2025

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Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said that people like me were greatest threat to national security the country faced. Was that just a harmless opinion?

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Do you deny the results of the 2020 election? Did you participate in the Jan 6 riot that sought to stop the peaceful transfer of power and ensure Trump remained in power?

No? Then he wasn't talking about you.
Yes? Well, then you are.

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Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

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Claiming "Gina Caron had the most popular show on streaming" as if she had literally anything to do with it is like me saying the most dominant NBA team ever belonged to "Harrison Barnes' 72 win Warriors Team."

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Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

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The difference is, the FCC didn't publicly threaten anyone to make ether of those firings.

I don't know how many more times we have to say this, but...

NO. ONE. HERE. IS. MAD. THAT. KIMMEL. GOT. SUSPENDED. BY. DISNEY.

For the umpteenth time, that's not the issue.

It's that the FCC and Trump are publicly threatening to silence speech they don't like, and that the affiliates likely capitulated to them due to the fact they need the FCC to approve an unprecedented merger.

This isn't rocket science.

I've now agreed with/supported both Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz in this thread. That's how messed up this whole situation is...

“If the government gets in the business of saying ‘We don’t like what you, the media have said, we’re going to ban you from the airwaves if you don’t say what we like,’ that will end up bad for conservatives,” Cruz said on his Friday podcast. https://t.co/YFaTbP4G6L

— Jake Tapper 🦅 (@jaketapper) September 19, 2025

If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so. But be honest about what happened:

The triggering event -- the central fact -- is FCC Chair Brendan Carr explicitly threatened stations with state reprisals if they continue to air Kimmel: pic.twitter.com/sWvn6A6zmF

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 19, 2025

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If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so. But be honest about what happened:

The triggering event -- the central fact -- is FCC Chair Brendan Carr explicitly threatened stations with state reprisals if they continue to air Kimmel: pic.twitter.com/sWvn6A6zmF

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 19, 2025

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So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.

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If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so. But be honest about what happened:

The triggering event -- the central fact -- is FCC Chair Brendan Carr explicitly threatened stations with state reprisals if they continue to air Kimmel: pic.twitter.com/sWvn6A6zmF

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 19, 2025

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So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.

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I seriously worry about some of y'all's basic reading comprehension skills sometimes...

"If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so."

... which clearly means that ABC's actions in firing Kimmel can be justified, implying that Kimmel was in the wrong, etc, etc.

The point he's making is that this whole situation might have unfolded differently if Carr didn't first make public threats.

I swear, it will never not be insane to me how some of you are bending over backwards to excuse government threats/censorship just because you hate a comedian.

Jimmy Kimmel can suck AND the FCC/Trump can be in the wrong here.

Both things can be true at once!

It's okay to admit that. No one's going to come after your F16 bonafides if you do.

I don't really care what happened, my sole point is that Clay Travis is an idiot. If you want to debate that point, fine. All of the "gotcha' responses are going over my head because I don't know who the other people are.

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If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so. But be honest about what happened:

The triggering event -- the central fact -- is FCC Chair Brendan Carr explicitly threatened stations with state reprisals if they continue to air Kimmel: pic.twitter.com/sWvn6A6zmF

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 19, 2025

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So according to this gentleman, Kimmel has no responsibility in the event? Seems a bit odd.

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I seriously worry about some of y'all's basic reading comprehension skills sometimes...

"If you want to defend the events leading to Kimmel's suspension, you can obviously do so."

... which clearly means that ABC's actions in firing Kimmel can be justified, implying that Kimmel was in the wrong, etc, etc.

The point he's making is that this whole situation might have unfolded differently if Carr didn't first make public threats.

I swear, it will never not be insane to me how some of you are bending over backwards to excuse government threats/censorship just because you hate a comedian.

Jimmy Kimmel can suck AND the FCC/Trump can be in the wrong here.

Both things can be true at once!

It's okay to admit that. No one's going to come after your F16 bonafides if you do.

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It's okay to admit that Carr wouldn't have made any public threats if Jimmy Kimmel would not have made idiotic public statements in front of a national TV audience. Your F13 bonifides won't be affected if you admit that.


These kind of statements serve no purpose but to inflame who you are replying to. Do you even see how inflammatory you're being? Is Brandon paying you to keep this thread going?

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Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

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This!!!! And I immediately stopped watching both and couldn't understand why their cast mates or union didn't come to their support. So one sided it's pathetic! I'll just continue to watch old movies on tcm and tubi. F them

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Yeah, they really should have stepped up and defended Roseanne comparing a black person to apes. Some people have no integrity.

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This made me laugh out loud. It's truly blowing my mind, some of the things being said/defended in this thread.

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Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

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This!!!! And I immediately stopped watching both and couldn't understand why their cast mates or union didn't come to their support. So one sided it's pathetic! I'll just continue to watch old movies on tcm and tubi. F them

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Just a reminder that Rosanne compared a black woman to "Planet of the Apes," causing multiple producers to leave and the network on their own to decide to cancel the show. And it wasn't like this was a one-off bad tweet. She had been posting insane **** for awhile before that.

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Roseanne had the highest rated show on television when she made a Twitter joke and was immediately fired by Disney. Gina Carano had the most popular show on streaming when she shared a social post and was immediately fired by Disney. Everyone on the left cheered.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 18, 2025

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This!!!! And I immediately stopped watching both and couldn't understand why their cast mates or union didn't come to their support. So one sided it's pathetic! I'll just continue to watch old movies on tcm and tubi. F them

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Yeah, they really should have stepped up and defended Roseanne comparing a black person to apes. Some people have no integrity.

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I didn't defend what she said. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.

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The poster I was responding to didn't seem to have a problem with it.

But that is not hypocrisy. All things that people say are not the same.

What Kimmel said might have offended you or others or you might just not liked the joke (and as I've mentioned I still don't think he lied as others appear to believe), but he did not make a comment that would be immediately understood as wildly offensive by a majority of people.

I think there's a more valid point on the Carano situation. But again, that's the not the point of contention.

I don't think any of us here have an issue with ABC cancelling the show if it was an independent decision. It's the veiled threats of FCC intervention/interference that are the issue, as well as the fact that the primary ABC partners that took issue with this have upcoming deals that need FCC approval.

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We already covered this earlier in the thread.

So *some* government censorship is okay as long it's not *full* government censorship. Got it. You're essentially arguing that it's okay for the government to threaten free speech in certain instances, as long as they're not threatening all instances.

Please tell me you understand how stupid this sounds.

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There was no government censorship. How thick is your skull?

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We already covered this earlier in the thread.

So *some* government censorship is okay as long it's not *full* government censorship. Got it. You're essentially arguing that it's okay for the government to threaten free speech in certain instances, as long as they're not threatening all instances.

Please tell me you understand how stupid this sounds.

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I'll say this and then I'm done here. The FCC didn't fire Kimmel. They didn't censor Kimmel. ABC wasn't coerced by the FCC. ABC chose to cancel his show after the local affiliate chains told them they were choosing to stop broadcasting his vitriol based on the public's response to Kimmel's own free speech from his program.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want without consequence. Kimmel can still go say whatever he wants, just not on that particular platform. He 100% brought it on himself.

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Tell me you haven't read the full thread without telling me you haven't read the full thread.

Because we've been over this a thousand times already.

The FCC/Carr absolutely threatened the affiliates. That objectively happened, proof of which has been posted here ad nauseam.

To say that they weren't coerced by that threat is a blind hope at best, especially considering THEY NEED THE FCC'S APPROVAL TO PERFORM AN UNPRECEDENTED MERGER.

Of course the FCC didn't fire Kimmel, and of course free speech isn't free of employer consequences. Again, we've all said as much over and over and over in this thread.

But you are being willfully ignorant to the chain of events that happened in this particular instance.

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Sinclair needed nothing. Quit repeating this lie

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Make whatever technical distinguishments you want, but silencing the media is a definitive and historical sign of fascism, full stop, and this would be exactly that.

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More lies

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Trump’s FCC Chair Brendan Carr indicates that Jimmy Kimmel’s suspension is part of Project 2025’s plan to regulate free speech.

Carr helped write Project 2025 last year. pic.twitter.com/fXjOmOYSDR

— People For the American Way (@peoplefor) September 18, 2025

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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The First Amendment says nothing about private companies firing people who say despicable things.

I agree with Sinclair on this, but it's absolutely wrong for the FCC to get involved.https://t.co/AXxRYPNodg

— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) September 18, 2025

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They didn't get involved. HTH