Trump Shutting Down USAID

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Logos Stick
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barrett and roberts sided with the libs

amercer
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Everything on Trumps agenda could be done legally, which would put it beyond challenge and make it more permanent.

But he'd have to work with Congress, the courts, and follow the administrative rules.

Instead it's just chaos that will be held up and reversed.
Who?mikejones!
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I agree with the dissent.....but, congress needs to get going and make legislative change to codifiy trumps actions for the long term.

Republicans have all three branches and i have zero doubt they will **** it up
Ellis Wyatt
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amercer said:

Everything on Trumps agenda could be done legally, which would put it beyond challenge and make it more permanent.

But he'd have to work with Congress, the courts, and follow the administrative rules.
Where have you been? He is trying to stop the bleeding first. Biden did a lot of bad **** that needs to be undone. Some people voted for our money to be stolen by democrats.

We need to lock the door before we can put in the alarm system.
Who?mikejones!
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It wasn't just Biden. Practically every politician before trump v2 fostered spending like usaid
JFABNRGR
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So back to nothing is going to change.
CDUB98
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This decision will have devastating impacts.
amercer
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Ellis Wyatt said:

amercer said:

Everything on Trumps agenda could be done legally, which would put it beyond challenge and make it more permanent.

But he'd have to work with Congress, the courts, and follow the administrative rules.
Where have you been? He is trying to stop the bleeding first. Biden did a lot of bad **** that needs to be undone. Some people voted for our money to be stolen by democrats.

We need to lock the door before we can put in the alarm system.


Republicans have both houses of congress. They could have passed a budget weeks ago with any and all cuts Trump/Elon want.

The answer isn't an imperial presidency. One, that will get held up by the courts. Two, it's pretty likely we will have a democratic president again some day…
Who?mikejones!
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Yep- congress should have to line items spending. Hell, the chevron over turning practically demands it.

The absurdity that the executive branch cannot rule the executive branch is odd. This ruling appears to give more weight to both the legislative and judicial branches.

Either way, Republicans need to pass legislation change the rules for such spending TODAY
CDUB98
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Republicans cannot get anything done in Congress that would actually do some some good.

In the Senate, they'll never overcome the filibuster to get 60 votes needed.

In the House, there are still too many GOP-E Repubs that will balk at any bill that would actually shrink gov't power and control, especially since their friends and business partners directly benefit from the waste and corruption. So, with a one vote margin, just a handful can block anything.

There's a reason Trump was going after as much as he could through Executive means, and now SCOTUS has just killed any and all ability to make things happen.
Who?mikejones!
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The one caveat with this specific order is that it has to do with paying for allegedly already completed work.

I can see why the court would be inclined to force that payment

Ianal- i think that's what this specific order is about. I dont believe it has to do with all contracts or payments for future work ornus aid funding
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Who?mikejones! said:

The one caveat with this specific order is that it has to do with paying for allegedly already completed work.

I can see why the court would be inclined to force that payment

Ianal- i think that's what this specific order is about. I dont believe it has to do with all contracts or payments for future work ornus aid funding
That is a damages claim not an equitable relief one. As I have said, procedurally these cases are garbage because a federal judge cannot issue a mandatory injunction, call it a TRO (so it won't be immediately appealable) if they were following accepted procedures.

So this interim SCOTUS decision looks bad (because the court had an an opportunity to reverse and remand it back to the judge for further proceedings on damages) which would have had a ripple effect upon all of the other questionable TROs being issued. But even this case will be appealed again and soon is my guess.
Who?mikejones!
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But it has to do with non payment for services performed, correct?

Not with promised payments for work yet to be performed?
aggiehawg
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Who?mikejones! said:

But it has to do with non payment for services performed, correct?

Not with promised payments for work yet to be performed?
That's the allegation. Is that in fact true? Hell if I know.

And that is the problem with how these cases are being handled inappropriately.
gbaby23
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We asked the judiciary if we should limit the power of the judiciary and they said NO????? Who could have seen this coming???
Who?mikejones!
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I get it, i think. This ruling sets a bad precedent on the proper handling of these such cases and the jurisdiction in which to handle them.

But, it might not effect the long term impacts of doge cuts.

I think that's where it stands
No Spin Ag
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amercer said:

Everything on Trumps agenda could be done legally, which would put it beyond challenge and make it more permanent.

But he'd have to work with Congress, the courts, and follow the administrative rules.

Instead it's just chaos that will be held up and reversed.


It seems like this is the way the system was designed to work back when the FF put this all together.

Signing EOs takes no effort, and as we've just seen, take just as little to throw away as it it never happened, but if Trump and congress can work together, lasting legislation that wouldn't have SC interference, could be done. To quote Trump, "Wouldn't that be nice." I know I'd like to see that.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
aggiehawg
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Who?mikejones! said:

I get it, i think. This ruling sets a bad precedent on the proper handling of these such case and the jurisdiction in which to handle them.

But, it might not effect the long term impacts of doge cuts.

I think that's where it stands
Pretty much.

It is a shame that the Court declined to clarify this procedural crap resulting in a continuing waste of judicial resources.
nortex97
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Yes. This is really just a pimple on the legal radar's butt right now. And SCOTUS is trying (unfortunately) not to break with procedure per the majority, for now. But it's best understood by the layman as an interim holding, where the court isn't breaking major precedent…yet.

That's really, about it. SCOTUS is a pain to project/predict because there's a high probability at least 2 of the 'conservatives' will chicken out on a procedural off-ramp on any given case. I personally think in this case jurisdiction was poorly 'handled' (aka ignored) by the district court but they decided it was easier to not address that.
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amercer said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

amercer said:

Everything on Trumps agenda could be done legally, which would put it beyond challenge and make it more permanent.

But he'd have to work with Congress, the courts, and follow the administrative rules.
Where have you been? He is trying to stop the bleeding first. Biden did a lot of bad **** that needs to be undone. Some people voted for our money to be stolen by democrats.

We need to lock the door before we can put in the alarm system.


Republicans have both houses of congress. They could have passed a budget weeks ago with any and all cuts Trump/Elon want.

The answer isn't an imperial presidency. One, that will get held up by the courts. Two, it's pretty likely we will have a democratic president again some day…
Republicans aren't like Democrats.

They don't vote in lockstep.
Logos Stick
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aggiehawg said:

Who?mikejones! said:

I get it, i think. This ruling sets a bad precedent on the proper handling of these such case and the jurisdiction in which to handle them.

But, it might not effect the long term impacts of doge cuts.

I think that's where it stands
Pretty much.

It is a shame that the Court declined to clarify this procedural crap resulting in a continuing waste of judicial resources.

So this is not precedent setting?!

Quote:

"Does a single district-court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the Government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic "No," but a majority of this Court apparently thinks otherwise. I am stunned.
aggiehawg
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So this is not precedent setting?!
Not yet because this case will come back up to them soon.
IndividualFreedom
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We literally do not have the money. We will have to print it. So the only option, if SCOTUS demands payment, is to sell something. I think the Dept. of Education should cover it.
Stat Monitor Repairman
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The one caveat with this specific order is that it has to do with paying for allegedly already completed work.
Order an audit the likes of we've never seen before to verify that work was completed.
aggiehawg
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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The one caveat with this specific order is that it has to do with paying for allegedly already completed work.
Order an audit the likes of we've never seen before to verify that work was completed.
If the case had been properly brought, as a claim for damages, that would have been done during discovery. They would have to prove up their damages.

That is what is so frustrating here. There is a proper way for courts to address these claims with legal remedies available. But that is not what is happening.
JFABNRGR
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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The one caveat with this specific order is that it has to do with paying for allegedly already completed work.
Order an audit the likes of we've never seen before to verify that work was completed.


Wonder if I will finally get paid for work complete on border wall cancelled in Jan 2020.
Logos Stick
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JFABNRGR
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Sounds like DOGE and Data Republican need to focus on the finding corruption ties to the bad judges.
RED AG 98
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thoughts?

MostlyHarmless
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JFABNRGR said:

Sounds like DOGE and Data Republican need to focus on the finding corruption ties to the bad judges.

Stat Monitor Repairman
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Legislative branch has the power of the purse strings and the executive branch has the authority to enter contracts on behalf of the United States but somehow the judicial branch has authority to compel that $2 billion be paid out of the US treasury for 'foreign assistance / international development.'

Also will note that the USSC sat on their hands from 2020-2024 failing to deal with fundamental constitutional issues in timely manner but renders a decision at lighting speed the moment deep state interests are threatened.
aggiehawg
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RED AG 98 said:

thoughts?


These judges have thrown out the federal rules of procedure. Just awful.

ETA: BTW, those TROs are not actually in effect until the bond is posted, IIRC.
Stat Monitor Repairman
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Name an instance in modern history that made its way through the courts faster than this USAID business.

The OSHA vaccine mandate was issued on November 5, 2021. The Supreme Court didn't issue a decision striking down the mandate until January 13, 2022.

Keep in mind that this USAID ruling was about sending taxpayer money to foreign organizations, where the vaccine mandate was about compelling taxpayers to inject an experimental drug into their bodies or lose their livelihood (and ability to pay taxes).

An unbelievable course of events.
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