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Ribbed Paultz said:

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Deporting PhD scientists doesn't help our country in any way. HTH

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I disagree. We could use a lot less of these.

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Are you a tick? You love Lyme disease?

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Ribbed Paultz said:

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Deporting PhD scientists doesn't help our country in any way. HTH

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I disagree. We could use a lot less of these.

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Are you a tick? You love Lyme disease?

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Antibotics

GeorgiAg said:

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Ribbed Paultz said:

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Deporting PhD scientists doesn't help our country in any way. HTH

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I disagree. We could use a lot less of these.

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Are you a tick? You love Lyme disease?

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You do realize Lyme disease was probably created by a PhD lab student, right?

KWTX/KBTX are continuing to act like this is breaking news. They're just rabble-rousing. This is not journalism.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/07/31/pending-removal-proceedings-texas-am-student-faces-deportation-2011-minor-drug-charge/

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COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) - Late Thursday afternoon, officials with Customs and Border Protection (CBP) confirmed to KBTX that they plan to remove a Texas A&M doctoral student from the country over a 2011 minor drug possession charge that had previously been sealed.

"If a green card holder is convicted of a drug offense, violating their status, that person is issued a Notice to Appear and CBP coordinates detention space with ICE ERO. This alien is in ICE custody pending removal proceedings," CBP said.

This comes hours after the family and legal team of Tae Heung "Will" Kim, a 40-year-old Ph.D. student in biomedical sciences at Texas A&M University, held a press conference calling for his immediate release, saying his rights have been violated and his detention is unlawful.

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Oh, and his detention is not unlawful. Stop lying.

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GeorgiAg said:

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AgNav93 said:

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Ribbed Paultz said:

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Deporting PhD scientists doesn't help our country in any way. HTH

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I disagree. We could use a lot less of these.

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Are you a tick? You love Lyme disease?

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You do realize Lyme disease was probably created by a PhD lab student, right?

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What is your basis for that?

I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

German scientists who developed atomic weapons
Elon Musk
etc...

I've known people who had Lyme disease and there can be some devastating side effects even with antibiotic treatment.

Justin Timberlake to host concert for ICE detained Aggie?

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/justin-timberlake-diagnosed-lyme-disease-rcna222291

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

German scientists who developed atomic weapons
Elon Musk
etc...

I've known people who had Lyme disease and there can be some devastating side effects even with antibiotic treatment.

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Smart people follow immigration law and do not break laws in countries they are visiting, even visiting for a long period of time.

We do indeed have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Hell, they are even printed in multiple languages. If you can read in English or your native language, you have no excuse for not following our laws and policies, particularly regarding immigration.

I agree. I was just disagreeing with people attacking PhDs and scientists.

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Story/article has been updated. Not sure the formatting and content lends to definitively saying the guy's GC wasn't expired, but it seems more likely than not to me based off the CBP statement given.

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How people invent these things in their head is amazing. It specifically, unambiguously says that ICE is using his 2011 weed charge as a reason to cancel his green card and send him packing.

This is the statement from Customs and Border Protection in the article:

"If a green card holder is convicted of a drug offense, violating their status, that person is issued a Notice to Appear and CBP coordinates detention space with ICE ERO. This alien is in ICE custody pending removal proceedings,"

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

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Therein lies the rub. We have a process. He apparently chose not to do his part. Does that make him smart or not?

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

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Therein lies the rub. We have a process. He apparently chose not to do his part. Does that make him smart or not?

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Sounds like he broke the law, and it is being enforced as written. So that's that.

I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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Story/article has been updated. Not sure the formatting and content lends to definitively saying the guy's GC wasn't expired, but it seems more likely than not to me based off the CBP statement given.

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How people invent these things in their head is amazing. It specifically, unambiguously says that ICE is using his 2011 weed charge as a reason to cancel his green card and send him packing.

This is the statement from Customs and Border Protection in the article:

"If a green card holder is convicted of a drug offense, violating their status, that person is issued a Notice to Appear and CBP coordinates detention space with ICE ERO. This alien is in ICE custody pending removal proceedings,"

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So what are the chances that after the drug conviction, either he did not appear as required or did not do his renewal because he knew it might cause trouble with the renewal? There seem to be a lot of gray areas in the story being told by the family, and the journalists are willfully ignoring them so that they can push a narrative. A few quick questions by any of the journalists covering the story could clear up the issues.

1. If he got his green card in 2011, he would have been required to renew in 2021. Did he apply for renewal?
2. If he did apply to renew in 2021, did he disclose the drug charge?
3. Did ICE ever issue a Notice to Appear in relation to the drug charge, and if so, did he appear for an ICE interview/hearing?
4. If he applied for renewal was it approved or is his green card expired?

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I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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Well, we don't know the whole story.

And ICE is acting as they are because democrats have flooded the country with all manner of people who do not belong here and created massive problems for real Americans.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

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Therein lies the rub. We have a process. He apparently chose not to do his part. Does that make him smart or not?

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Sounds like he broke the law, and it is being enforced as written. So that's that.

I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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You liberals had super majorities the first two years of Barry Obama's presidency and y'all pissed it away, ruining our healthcare system and bailing out banks. Back when you had super majorities and we're unstoppable y'all didn't give a damn about immigrants remember?

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I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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Well, we don't know the whole story.

And ICE is acting as they are because democrats have flooded the country with all manner of people who do not belong here and created massive problems for real Americans.

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I agree, we don't have the whole story. But this guy should have known better.

If I went to a foreign country and got some kinda similar status, I'd know to keep my nose clean or I could get kicked out or worse. Hell in Russia, this guy would have been in jail for years.

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I agree. I was just disagreeing with people attacking PhDs and scientists.

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I'd love to hear about your experience in the matter, as well as the numbers of PH.D. canidates and postdocs you've trained/worked with.

There are postdocs on the A&M campus who cannot be trusted with basic lab tasks much less actual research. And those are just the incompetent ones from crappy overseas universities who have friends here and not the outright foreign national research thieves.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

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Therein lies the rub. We have a process. He apparently chose not to do his part. Does that make him smart or not?

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Sounds like he broke the law, and it is being enforced as written. So that's that.

I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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You liberals had super majorities the first two years of Barry Obama's presidency and y'all pissed it away, ruining our healthcare system and bailing out banks. Back when you had super majorities and we're unstoppable y'all didn't give a damn about immigrants remember?

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I'm happy with Trump fixing immigration. It was a mess.

An unusual story like this hits the front page of the news. Meanwhile there are 1,000s of really bad dudes getting kicked out. I'm all for it.

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I agree. I was just disagreeing with people attacking PhDs and scientists.

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I'd love to hear about your experience in the matter, as well as the numbers of PH.D. canidates and postdocs you've trained/worked with.

There are postdocs on the A&M campus who cannot be trusted with basic lab tasks much less actual research. And those are just the incompetent ones from crappy overseas universities who have friends here and not the outright foreign national research thieves.

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My only experience is back from the late 80s/90s as a biochem/genetics major. I had labs with some of them. Half of them could barely speak English. All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell. But I have limited exposure.

One semester I only had one America prof. All of the other profs and TAs were foreign.

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I'm all for enforcing the immigration laws as written. And I'm still curious about why this guy didn't go for citizenship being here this long.

But we should have favorable immigration policies for smart people. Part of the success of our country is due to us brain draining other countries smart people.

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Therein lies the rub. We have a process. He apparently chose not to do his part. Does that make him smart or not?

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Sounds like he broke the law, and it is being enforced as written. So that's that.

I think we ought to revisit the law if we are deporting hard working smart green card holders over something as dumb as an old minor weed charge.

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You liberals had super majorities the first two years of Barry Obama's presidency and y'all pissed it away, ruining our healthcare system and bailing out banks. Back when you had super majorities and we're unstoppable y'all didn't give a damn about immigrants remember?

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I'm happy with Trump fixing immigration. It was a mess.

An unusual story like this hits the front page of the news. Meanwhile there are 1,000s of really bad dudes getting kicked out. I'm all for it.

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Front page of KBTX it's not a whole lot of attention. It's gonna take more than Rusty pole smoker and Donny, rub and tug pushing a narrative on a local affiliate to make much a dent.

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I agree. I was just disagreeing with people attacking PhDs and scientists.

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I'd love to hear about your experience in the matter, as well as the numbers of PH.D. canidates and postdocs you've trained/worked with.

There are postdocs on the A&M campus who cannot be trusted with basic lab tasks much less actual research. And those are just the incompetent ones from crappy overseas universities who have friends here and not the outright foreign national research thieves.

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My only experience is back from the late 80s/90s as a biochem/genetics major. I had labs with some of them. Half of them could barely speak English. All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell. But I have limited exposure.

One semester I only had one America prof. All of the other profs and TAs were foreign.

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I had a poly sci prof at A&M that came over from Korea in the 50s as a kid when his uncle was being trained at Ft Benning during the Korean war. He learned to speak english in Georgia with Korean pronunciations and a Georgia drawl. Took me about two classes before I figured out the cadence of his voice and his accent. After that he was hilarious and a great prof, but for those first 2 classes or so, I couldn't tell if he was lecturing or singing.

Maybe green cards should have a time limit, or maybe a requirement that you must be seeking citizenship to obtain or maintain a green card. Failure to obtain citizenship in x amount of years means you gotta go home.

I dunno. Its an either **** or get off the pot kinda situation.

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I agree. I was just disagreeing with people attacking PhDs and scientists.

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I'd love to hear about your experience in the matter, as well as the numbers of PH.D. canidates and postdocs you've trained/worked with.

There are postdocs on the A&M campus who cannot be trusted with basic lab tasks much less actual research. And those are just the incompetent ones from crappy overseas universities who have friends here and not the outright foreign national research thieves.

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My only experience is back from the late 80s/90s as a biochem/genetics major. I had labs with some of them. Half of them could barely speak English. All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell. But I have limited exposure.

One semester I only had one America prof. All of the other profs and TAs were foreign.

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I'm not talking about BS and MS students. A&M does a fantastic job of preparing those so inclined for research work. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer of them every year.

I'm talking about the ridiculous number of postdocs, especially in Biotech and Engineering, who attended undergrad and grad school at foreign "Universities" few have ever heard of, where academic rigor is far down the list of things that matter. Institutions producing people who are for the most part unable to handle the basics of labratory research (I mean 18 year-old student worker basics) unsupervised but who really only want to add a major American research university lab to their CV.

The idea that having a PH.D. is in and of itself meaningful isn't based in reality, and isn't a basis for an automatic pass.

That's what I was pushing back on.

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I had a poly sci prof at A&M that came over from Korea in the 50s as a kid when his uncle was being trained at Ft Benning during the Korean war. He learned to speak english in Georgia with Korean pronunciations and a Georgia drawl.

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Henry Cho is American-born, and his Tennessee accent is thick. Hilarious guy! No hints of Korean pronunciations.

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I had a poly sci prof at A&M that came over from Korea in the 50s as a kid when his uncle was being trained at Ft Benning during the Korean war. He learned to speak english in Georgia with Korean pronunciations and a Georgia drawl.

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Henry Cho is American-born, and his Tennessee accent is thick. Hilarious guy! No hints of Korean pronunciations.

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This guy was hilarious too, but his delivery was very singsongish because he would say things with a Korea accent and inflection, but draw the words out due to the drawl so that they all kind of ran together. It would cause some people to zone out a bit when listening to his lectures. To counter that, in the middle of the lecture he would slip in little asides to what he was talking about to see who was paying attention.

During a discussion of supreme court cases about development of "community based standards", he started talking about how the SCOTUS definition of pornography used to be "material that aroused prurient interest". He said "So what is 'prurient interest'? Say if a guy goes into 7-11 and buys a Hustler magazine and after reading it, becomes so aroused that he attacks and rapes a woman passing by. That magazine has 'aroused prurient interest'. Now material like this is very hard to find these days, right? So if you find any, bring it by my office, I would like to see this!"

Half the class had no idea what he just said, and the other half died laughing.

Where's all the Democrats lined up to beg for this guy? Use his status as some kind of political leverage where are they? Something seems a little funny about that cause I'll tell you. Just because he's not from El Salvador anywhere in Central America he doesn't count so they're letting him sit.

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I have a family member who is an American citizen, but a permanent resident of another country. Her children are citizens of that country. They are often detained when traveling into America. Sometimes, for hours.

Such is life.

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Yes and sounds like they chose that lifestyle as well.

This really seems like some ambiguous / choice wording to embellish the situation:

A Korean-born researcher and longtime U.S. legal permanent resident has spent the past week detained by immigration officials at the San Francisco International Airport without explanation and has been denied access to an attorney, according to his lawyer.https://t.co/kU2Wi6zYoV

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 29, 2025

"Without explanation" ... to whom? To Lee? Or to the WaPo?

And how can you seriously write "he has been denied access to an attorney, according to his lawyer"?

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I have a family member who is an American citizen, but a permanent resident of another country. Her children are citizens of that country. They are often detained when traveling into America. Sometimes, for hours.

Such is life.

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Yes and sounds like they chose that lifestyle as well.

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True. They did find it a little wild that illegals were just walking in and out at will, but they understood their own circumstances.

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This really seems like some ambiguous / choice wording to embellish the situation:

A Korean-born researcher and longtime U.S. legal permanent resident has spent the past week detained by immigration officials at the San Francisco International Airport without explanation and has been denied access to an attorney, according to his lawyer.https://t.co/kU2Wi6zYoV

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 29, 2025

With explanation ... to whom? To Lee? Or to the WaPo?

And how can you seriously write "he has been denied access to an attorney, according to his lawyer"?

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Every article/report on this story is designed to be as anti-ICE as possible and designed to gin up support against deportations of illegals, or non-citizens who break the law.

KBTX has been nauseating about it, devoting the first 5+ minutes of multiple newscasts to it.

There are generally two routes for this person. 212(h) waiver or cancellation of removal. A crimmigration expert could probably think of something else but those are the two most obvious.

He must go back

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All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell.

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Don't worry we believe you. LOL. And your attempts to correct your Obama / Biden voter mistakes continue to fail with your squishy commentary.

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All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell.

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Don't worry we believe you. LOL. And your attempts to correct your Obama / Biden voter mistakes continue to fail with your squishy commentary.

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I posted my limited experience and said I don't know but you're going to assume this guy was some DEI hire? What basis do you have for that?

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All of the ones I dealt with were very smartj as far as I could tell.

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Don't worry we believe you. LOL. And your attempts to correct your Obama / Biden voter mistakes continue to fail with your squishy commentary.

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I posted my limited experience and said I don't know but you're going to assume this guy was some DEI hire? What basis do you have for that?

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Never said he was a DEI hire. LOL.