IrishAg said:

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Falcons’ statement on the involvement of defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich’s son, Jax, in the draft weekend prank call to Shedeur Sanders: pic.twitter.com/PgSxURroaY

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 27, 2025

Well, that's not gonna be a fun time for the Falcon's DC

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LOL

Hornbeck said:

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As a guy who works in tech, I totally get it.

But its still funny.

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Oh, agree completely

Sanders family about to be getting paid by 2 separate teams

Wasn't it a phone that the league gives out to potential draftees? Doesn't seem like it would be a legal issue to me. But I'm far from an expert.

Kiper going all in giving the Browns an A+ draft grade with the steal of a century pick with Sanders. The dude is going all in after his meltdown over the weekend. https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/44792146/2025-nfl-draft-grades-32-teams-kiper-winners-losers-steals-sleepers-favorite-picks-classes


just curious if anyone has seen anybody calling him out on his **** draft grades over the years after he declared all the GM's morons?

He once said he'd retire if Jimmy Clausen didn't work out in the NFL. He's a clown.

The Falcons should really fire that DC for the breach of confidential data.

It happened to Cooper DeJean last year too, but everyone just laughed.

If nothing else, the NFL should fine the Falcons by taking away a 6th rd draft pick or something, with the understanding that the next violation by any team will be a third round pick.

It's just a bad look for the falcons, the DC, and the league overall.

Eh.

As I understand it, the kid got the number from his dad's iPad at their house. I mean, I guess you can argue that the guy should never leave any electronic device unlocked, even at his home, unless he's physically sitting in front of it but that seems draconian to me. I don't see any reason to take it out on the dad or the Falcons.

It was in poor taste and glad the kid apologized but I don't see some crime of the century here. Just a kid that did a dumb thing.

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JCA1 said:

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Eh.

As I understand it, the kid got the number from his dad's iPad at their house. I mean, I guess you can argue that the guy should never leave any electronic device unlocked, even at his home, unless he's physically sitting in front of it but that seems draconian to me. I don't see any reason to take it out on the dad or the Falcons.

It was in poor taste and glad the kid apologized but I don't see some crime of the century here. Just a kid that did a dumb thing.

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21-year olds ALWAYS make good decisions, right?

It was a bad prank, but it was even dumber to do it on his iPhone (traceable) and have a friend video the call. It sure didn't take long for the video to get all over the internet.

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That part is wild considering his dad's job. I guess he thought people would laugh it off? Nothing else really makes sense for what he was thinking.

Ag_07 said:

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chris1515 said:

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If nothing else, the NFL should fine the Falcons by taking away a 6th rd draft pick or something, with the understanding that the next violation by any team will be a third round pick.

It's just a bad look for the falcons, the DC, and the league overall.

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Stop...It was a prank.

No one was in danger, no rules or laws were broken, and no competitive advantage was gained.

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Not saying I agree w/ taking away draft picks...

But I'd wager rules were broken around confidentiality and access. I mean even my job has rules around that and require certain parameters in order to sign into work accounts and download work apps on our phones (such as time out restrictions, minimum password requirements, password protected apps, etc.)

wangus12 said:

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Sanders family about to be getting paid by 2 separate teams

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No sure if serious

I mean, like others have said, the Falcons/DC could absolutely be liable for a breach of confidentiality and access.

Ag_07 said:

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It's a phone number

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And it wasn't even Sanders' phone. It was a phone the league gave him. Yeah, the NFL has a gripe with the Falcons, but that's an internal thing.

Sanders isn't owed anything aside from an apology.

Ag_07 said:

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It's a phone number

This isn't some HIPPA violation where his medical records were blasted out to someone's contact list.

Hell I'm sure Shadeur has given the same phone number to who knows how many random cleat chaser he meets at club on any given weekend.

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LOL, PII data isn't HIPPA (which has stricter laws), but for businesses it's almost as regulated. Anything that is 2 forms of personal identification is PII data (so a name and phone number), and in this day and age there are strict rules on the handling of PII data for a corporation (which all NFL teams are) in addition to laws in place (different state and federal laws). Not saying there is a lot Deion can do, but he can make things damn annoying for them and could probably sue for data breach since it was targeted (which is a whole other issue outside of data breach).

All that said, trust me when I say the NFL will probably have to address this with the different teams and have to put in strict measures to make sure PII data is properly secured to make sure they stay within compliance for at least cyber insurance. So it's gonna be annoying.

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wangus12 said:

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I mean, like others have said, the Falcons/DC could absolutely be liable for a breach of confidentiality and access.

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Can you cite the law that makes someone not protecting your phone number an actionable lawsuit? What duty did the Falcons have to keep this number secret?

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Privacy laws that protect PII data, if the team was given his name and phone number in confidence then as a company it's their responsibility to make sure the information is stored and accessed securely. If you work in corporate America this relates to all of those stupid trainings that talk about personal information and why it needs to be handled correctly. When it comes down to it, for frame of reference, this is the same as a sales person leaving the laptop open and someone taking customer information to do something malicious. Not saying there is going to be a huge lawsuit or anything, but depending on how much lawyer fees he wants to pay, it's a **** ton of leverage for Deion to really annoy the **** out of the NFL.

IrishAg said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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wangus12 said:

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I mean, like others have said, the Falcons/DC could absolutely be liable for a breach of confidentiality and access.

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Can you cite the law that makes someone not protecting your phone number an actionable lawsuit? What duty did the Falcons have to keep this number secret?

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Privacy laws that protect PII data, if the team was given his name and phone number in confidence then as a company it's their responsibility to make sure the information is stored and accessed securely. If you work in corporate America this relates to all of those stupid trainings that talk about personal information and why it needs to be handled correctly. When it comes down to it, for frame of reference, this is the same as a sales person leaving the laptop open and someone taking customer information to do something malicious. Not saying there is going to be a huge lawsuit or anything, but depending on how much lawyer fees he wants to pay, it's a **** ton of leverage for Deion to really annoy the **** out of the NFL.

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So what's reasonable? A guy can't go take a leak in his own house with his laptop open for fear that his own family may take private info? I guess you also can't do any work with a family member in the same room because they could potentially look over your shoulder. Because that's pretty much what you're proposing. I don't think very many people will find that reasonable.

Kid shouldn't have done it and it'll probably be a learning experience for many. But I don't see some big data breach angle.

Cite the law that requires a company to keep your telephone number secret that gave them to call you without any agreement to keep it secret that results in that company being financially liable if they don't.

A phone number is not PII in Texas.

JCA1 said:

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IrishAg said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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wangus12 said:

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I mean, like others have said, the Falcons/DC could absolutely be liable for a breach of confidentiality and access.

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Can you cite the law that makes someone not protecting your phone number an actionable lawsuit? What duty did the Falcons have to keep this number secret?

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Privacy laws that protect PII data, if the team was given his name and phone number in confidence then as a company it's their responsibility to make sure the information is stored and accessed securely. If you work in corporate America this relates to all of those stupid trainings that talk about personal information and why it needs to be handled correctly. When it comes down to it, for frame of reference, this is the same as a sales person leaving the laptop open and someone taking customer information to do something malicious. Not saying there is going to be a huge lawsuit or anything, but depending on how much lawyer fees he wants to pay, it's a **** ton of leverage for Deion to really annoy the **** out of the NFL.

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So what's reasonable? A guy can't go take a leak in his own house with his laptop open for fear that his own family may take private info? I guess you also can't do any work with a family member in the same room because they could potentially look over your shoulder. Because that's pretty much what you're proposing. I don't think very many people will find that reasonable.

Kid shouldn't have done it and it'll probably be a learning experience for many. But I don't see some big data breach angle.

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I don't know....but I know my company has a training that states (and we have to sign off to acknowledge) we are to lock our computers anytime we leave it, even in our office or our home.

Again, I'm absolutely not saying he broke the law or anything. I'm just stating that I know companies have policies stating you "can't go take a leak in your own house with your laptop open." Do I follow that....that's another story

That I believe. Much of HR exists to cover a company's ass (even though everyone knows no one follows it). But that's different from a basis for civil liability.

Right. I know others have made legal claims. Not sure about that and really don't know enough to have an opinion one way or the other. I do think it's absolutely feasible they broke internal nfl policies/rules, though.

BMX Bandit said:

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Cite the law that requires a company to keep your telephone number secret that gave them to call you without any agreement to keep it secret that results in that company being financially liable if they don't.

A phone number is not PII in Texas.

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There's a couple of things here, first A phone number is not PII anywhere, PII represents a combination of personal identifiable information that can identify someone, and to represent PII data that needs to be protected it's 2 identifiers. I know this because I have to deal with the stupidity of it all the time in information security. And secondly, while there is not a single federal law that establishes PII for the United States like there is in Europe, there are a crap ton of laws and regulations that PII falls under at both the state and federal level. Which is why I said, don't expect any large public lawsuits, but if Deion wanted to he can make life annoying as **** for the NFL and Falcons because of all of the random pieces out there.

My point was while this was funny as hell, there will be some real ramifications for the NFL and the Falcons that the public never will know about. I again know that because I see the internal outcome of a lot of corporate data breaches (big and small). I guess I should have led with the fact that I'm talking about this stuff from a professional experience.

I didn't realize I would be starting up a debate on what PII is and what everyone thinks it should be, but just wanted to follow up as I realized that the DCs idiot son has probably cost his dad and the falcons a **** ton of professional pressure outside of what most people in the public would realize.

htxag09 said:

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Right. I know others have made legal claims. Not sure about that and really don't know enough to have an opinion one way or the other. I do think it's absolutely feasible they broke internal nfl policies/rules, though.

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They 100% did, and if they didn't then that would probably be even worse for the nfl/falcons as a lot of compliance regulation requires PII handling to be in place for companies that have a lot of personal data on employees (which the NFL does as they have full health profiles on players). I

BMX Bandit said:

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There won't be any lawsuits because it's not a legitimate cause of action to let someone see a phone number that results in a prank call.

The falcons had no obligation under the law to keep that number secret.


I am very familiar with the corporate laws on PII disclosure in Texas and federally. There is none that would support a lawsuit here. Some law may exist somewhere else, that's why I asked for a citation.


Plus:

prank calling NFL prospects who are guaranteed to get drafted is not this big an issue and everyone virtue signaling engagement bait needs to chill out pic.twitter.com/LLIXcOaZd9

— kev mahserejian (@RotoSurgeon) April 27, 2025

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Cool, i think the tracking of pii is way over the top ( the EU adding IP addresses in it was a pain in my ass for an entire year) but I have to deal with the lunacy of it all the time and there is crazy **** that companies deal with and usually end up spending millions trying to remedy all the time in each industry vertical.

Still funny though, and I see he worked on helping shed that entitlement view point

https://www.tmz.com/2025/04/27/shedeur-sanders-nfl-draft-party-kodak-black-yung-miami/

Falcons fined $250K
Ulbrich personally fined $100K by the NFL

Sends a message. Not overly painful.