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Hoosegow
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Rows and chinups are great for back work. Too many times the back is overlooked. You want a big bench, you need a big back. Want a big squat, need a big back. Body building -asthetically, newbs ignore the importance of a big back. Health wise - a strong back/core will help your out

Rows... just do them and mix it up. I always thought of rows as important as bench on bench days. As I have said before, I think Kroc rows are the best and if you watched Kroc while he was still a he, he was a monster in both powerlifting and body building. But t-bar rows, chest supported rows, dumbell/barbell etc are all compound lifts and so to keep with consistancy - I prefer all of those to cable rows. Nothing wrong with working in a cycle with cable rows, just wouldn't make it my back "bread and butter" excercise.

So normally when I trained, we trained for powerlifting...
Bench day - do my main bench exercise (be it chains, 531, heavy singles, etc.) I would then do heavy rows. Excessories after that. Always tried to include dips.
Shoulder press day - do my main OHP exercise (dumbbell/barbell seated or military press), then I would do chinups. Followed by speed work for bench and more accessories.

Pick a row that fits what your equipment allows you to do. Don't be afraid to go heavy. Change it up every cycle. And if you are having a bad day, screw it, go do machine rows or cable rows. Just don't neglect your back.
CC09LawAg
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Kroc rows have been something I'm interested in - is it really as simple as leaning against something for support and just going balls to the wall with them to the point that you can't even cheat the weight up?

The strength standards that Wendler lays out for them seem crazy to me, based on how much I can normally dumbbell row - but that should probably be my sign that my back is weak AF and needs major work.

Would you do kroc row over barbell row if you're going purely for powerlifting/strength? And did you just do one all out set of them when you programmed it in?

ETA: In the event you max out your dumbbells at home, could a landmine single arm row replace a kroc row for the most part?
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This is great advice on how to think about programming. Thank you. I'll stay away from the cables for now. Stick with T-bar (and will then cycle in straight up Barbell Row in some variation after a few months).

Im not training to be a bodybuilder, but I'm not training to be a powerlifter either. I don't know. Just want to be both stronger and athletic looking. Nothing major in any one direction.

CC09LawAg
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I think T bar row is a great compromise and is easy to work into your programming. I'd give it a go for 3 months or so and see if you like the results.

You can't go hard on everything all the time or you'll burn out. T bar is probably a good way to make decent gains without it having carryover fatigue to the major lifts.
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I'm a fan of Kroc rows myself. Some good info here.

https://t-nation.com/t/kroc-rows-101/284491
10andBOUNCE
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Bigger back = illusion of a more trim waistline
ttha_aggie_09
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And most girls don't realize this
Hoosegow
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1. Pretty much - there are tons of videos out there on technique that can explain it better than I can. Flat bench, knee on bench. Hand on bench and row.

2. Well Wendler is stong af and the standards are based on experienced powerlifters. Get to rowing with decent technique and you will get stronger.

3. I wouldn't necessarily say Kroc rows over barbell rows. For sure I would regularly program both in as my main row. I would generally try to hit 8-10 reps for 3 sets.

4. The dumbell is superrior since there is 0 leverage. However, certainly a landmine single arm row performed similarly would be beneficial. Heck, this can even be programmed in as your main row. It does seem like it might be a touch difficult to set up.
Hoosegow
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t-nation? 2012?

That was back wihen that website was legit. I spent a lot of time there back in the day. I haven't been there in years.
CC09LawAg
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Much appreciated - probably mental masturbation as my dumbbells go up to 90 pounds and I don't think I'll be blasting those for 30 reps anytime soon.

I have been doing a lat pulldown variation but I think I'll sub in kroc rows for that and see how it goes.
CC09LawAg
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Hit 382.5 for 5 today on my top set for my heavy squat week. Goal was 3 reps so I was very happy.

Two weeks ago I did 362.5 for 3 and it wiped me out. The knee sleeves have been pretty amazing so far. I got them on and off much easier today and felt like I got them higher up on my leg so they were way more comfortable.

I will probably not use them on my light week just so I don't get too spoiled by them, but they're definitely making a difference.
Tex117
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Those knee sleeves are freaking magic.

Man, just stopping in to complain about macros. Im trying to get my weight to drift up (after my 47 pound cut), and the more I add, I'm just staying +/- 3 pounds or so.

I know the answer is to "eat more" (and I'm not going to do it dirty, or with too much fat, that's what put too much fat on me last time, along with terrible blood work), but damn.

What do yall do for easy (and healthy) carb sources? Protein too, but Im getting enough protein, even if its through shakes).
CC09LawAg
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I'm not much help here as dieting and macros are my kryptonite, but an easy to control carb that I've added is Dave's Killer Bread.

It's got a decent amount of protein and I will either make toast with it, use it for sandwiches on my snacks, etc. Just something I throw in when I feel like my carb intake is under where it should be.
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Carbs - lots of fresh fruit. I eat about a cumulative pound of fruit a day between watermelon, mango and strawberries. I also eat dried fruit before and after workouts (prunes and cranberries). If I'm looking for simple carbs at the end of the day to try and create balance with my protein intake without trying to get full I will eat my kids Welchs Fruit Snacks or HEB Fruit Strips.

Protein - Greek yogurt. Meat sticks.

Good balance between carbs and protein - Catalina Crunch Cereal w/ mootopia. Egg whites and premier protein pancakes. Fat Free Hebrew National Hot Dogs and Natures Own Keto Buns. Legendary Pop Tarts. Kirkland Protien Bars.
jtraggie99
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I, like most, don't have issues getting enough carbs . More limiting them on some days, more than anything lol. Most of my carbs come from oatmeal, fruit, tortillas (yes I eat tortillas), rice, bread (although a lot of it these days is low carb, high fiber), beans, occasionally potatoes, and the periodic sweets.

Protein is mostly shakes, eggs, chicken, salmon, beef (lean ground beef and leaner steaks (top sirloin), milk, greek yogurt, beef jerky, and cheese. Some bacon / sausage / chorizo and other pork from time to time.
CC09LawAg
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This may be a dumb question, but what are some good, low rep/strength focused ab exercises?

I got to thinking about it and almost everything I've ever done is high rep work. Is there any kind of loadable ab exercise that is more focused on doing work in the 5-10 rep range?
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CC09LawAg said:

This may be a dumb question, but what are some good, low rep/strength focused ab exercises?

I got to thinking about it and almost everything I've ever done is high rep work. Is there any kind of loadable ab exercise that is more focused on doing work in the 5-10 rep range?


Squats
ttha_aggie_09
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I eat Canes on my squat days. Its not healthy but its a lot of carbs
ttha_aggie_09
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Not sure exactly what you mean by loadable but I really like hanging leg raises.

Depending on what your squat rack setup looks like, if you have a pull up bar or handles above it, set the bar at squat height or slightly below. Grab and hang from the pull up bar and just do leg raises as high as you can and then controlled eccentric all the way down.

I usually just pair those with crunch machine or with tricep rope for crunches on cable. The rest of my core work is done with squats or things like suitcase carries or suitcase deadlifts.
CC09LawAg
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Yes, yes, but I'm trying to finally be disciplined and work in an ab exercise every workout.

I want to be able to be 250 but still have abs. Baby steps.
CC09LawAg
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Cable crunches may be the move - I'm just trying to think of something I can do for 5-10 reps instead of the usual repetitive ab exercise. I have plenty of those type of things.

I've messed around with hanging leg raises before but couldn't ever find a setup I liked. I may need to give them another shot.
jtraggie99
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I've started doing weighted sit-ups on the GHR machine. I just use a plate for 10-15 rep sets. Also suitcase carries and twists on a cable machine from time to time. I also have some ankle straps to connect to cables and do weighted leg raises.
ttha_aggie_09
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This is the only setup I'll actually do them. Try it out
Tex117
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I know you know this, but reminding you that there are not enough ab exercises in the world that will give you a six pack.

Your abs squatting over 380 are plenty big to show a six pack. You are going to have to . . . gasp . . . go on a cut.

Thanks for the carb tips. I just have to get in more of them throughout the day. I suppose I just have to every time I have a protein focused snack (or shake), have some healthy carbs to go along with it.
CC09LawAg
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ttha_aggie_09
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Quote:

Your abs squatting over 380 are plenty big to show a six pack. You are going to have to . . . gasp . . . go on a cut.



But seriously, this is true. If I wanted to get my BF down to 10-12 it would look a lot better but I want to squat and bench as much as I can and the more I weigh, the stronger I usually am. Hard for me to be around 250 and that lean…
Tex117
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Tex117
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Its the one of the oldest questions in fitness...

To be strong, or to be lean, that is the question.

CC09LawAg
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I am going to flag this video for bullying.

But this is exactly what I'm talking about - I want to find some stuff I can progressively overload with weight vs. just doing planks for 30 extra seconds or having to keep adding on dozens of reps of crunches.
texag06ish
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Have you thought about shifting your macro mix?

I've been in the same boat as you, eating a lot (3,200 calories per day). I've been adding body fat and muscle mass but more fat than muscle. This month I've shifted my focus to increasing my carb intake and lowering my protein.

I'm thinking I was eating too much protein. I was averaging 3250 calories, 345 g protein and 321 grams of carbs. This month I'm averaging 3250 calories, 298 g of protein and 384 carbs. I'm hoping my body didn't have enough carbs to help process the protein but enough to survive so my body decided to store the excess protein as fat.
CC09LawAg
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texag06ish said:

345 g protein
This is so inspiring to me.
Tex117
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LOL!

I went through your analysis about two weeks ago seeing if I should add some Ab exercises. I just decided against it. Maybe, if I trip over an ab wheel on the way out of the gym, I'll do some, but otherwise, I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze.

Want abs? Put the fork down and watch your PRs vanish. Such is The Way of Iron.
Tex117
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We aren't too terribly far apart here.

Im about 280- grams of protein give or take. About 250-300 grams of carbs. My fat is pretty low.

Even with this, I'm still maintaining. Which is fine in some ways. I'm just going to try and slowly increase carbs until I get that easy drift upwards. Nothing crazy. Not any "one pound a week" but maybe closer to .5 lb a week...nice easy drift.
ttha_aggie_09
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"to beef or not to beef"
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