My least favorite thing about high school soccer…

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Mathguy64 said:

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Looks like allegations of one or more players who were playing professionally in Mexico.


Is that against UIL rules if they attend school?
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Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:




Looks like allegations of one or more players who were playing professionally in Mexico.


Is that against UIL rules if they attend school?
Can't take money or anything of value and maintain amateur status in UIL.
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Thanks. Seems archaic.
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Rudyjax said:

Thanks. Seems archaic.


It's HS. It's not like they are pros in college or anything.
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SCHTICK00 said:

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One should be a senior this year and the other a junior. It's crazy how much has changed and the various pathways since we were in school.
Your oldest plays for Angel City, right?
What are your youngest's plans? I doubt I get to ref her in college (if she's signed). I'm just about done with on-field officiating.


Are you officiating any of the semifinals?
No, but I got asked about two games. One was in Bryan. I got assigned to a semi-final on Friday night, but it got moved up to early afternoon, and I couldn't do it, so I had to decline after the time change. My daughter and I ended up going to watch Celina v. Life this evening as paying customers.

I've worked on state semifinals and championship games in my career, so I'm happy for the referees who will get a new experience this weekend.
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Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:




Looks like allegations of one or more players who were playing professionally in Mexico.


Is that against UIL rules if they attend school?


There is a layout of all of the acquisitions on Instagram.

Basically 8-10 of the players were illegally recruited from Mexico and were not true students. The coach falsified their records and the superintendent covered for them.

Their own Athletic Director and Principal were the ones that reported them. It is not the first time they did this. Apparently they even had a house rented for the kids to live at without any adult guardian.

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Adults are the worst.
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fightingfarmer09 said:

Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:




Looks like allegations of one or more players who were playing professionally in Mexico.


Is that against UIL rules if they attend school?


There is a layout of all of the acquisitions on Instagram.

Basically 8-10 of the players were illegally recruited from Mexico and were not true students. The coach falsified their records and the superintendent covered for them.

Their own Athletic Director and Principal were the ones that reported them. It is not the first time they did this. Apparently they even had a house rented for the kids to live at without any adult guardian.




Wow.
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A&M Consolidated girls made it to state finals for the first time and play the winner of Midlothian vs Colleyville Heritage in 5A-D1
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It's really hard for me to fathom that people care enough about any HS sports (let alone 4A soccer) to waste money cheating.

But I suppose it's probably more about the local power trip than the actual sport, which makes perfect (yet lamentable) sense.
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deadbq03 said:

It's really hard for me to fathom that people care enough about any HS sports (let alone 4A soccer) to waste money cheating.

But I suppose it's probably more about the local power trip than the actual sport, which makes perfect (yet lamentable) sense.


Have you seen how much money is being spent in college sports?
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Mexican teenagers living in a house with their friends and with no parents around… just to cheat at soccer at a Texas high school.

Pretty good job if you can get it…
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The coach did the same exact thing at his previous stop Valley View High School… they "enroll" these kids from Mexico in the school district to boost their soccer programs… most of the time these kids are over 18 years old as well, doing this at two different spots is wild though
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Are these kids illegals? Because if they are illegal aliens, then this coach needs to spend time in prison…
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Yeah, hence the need to find homes with US addresses. They'll falsify ages and all kinds of records to enroll them in their school district. While the schools up in DFW and Houston illegally recruit players to play football, in the valley they use people from across the border lol
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fightingfarmer09 said:

Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:




Looks like allegations of one or more players who were playing professionally in Mexico.


Is that against UIL rules if they attend school?


There is a layout of all of the acquisitions on Instagram.

Basically 8-10 of the players were illegally recruited from Mexico and were not true students. The coach falsified their records and the superintendent covered for them.

Their own Athletic Director and Principal were the ones that reported them. It is not the first time they did this. Apparently they even had a house rented for the kids to live at without any adult guardian.




Imagine throwing away a six-figure career to help cheat at HS athletics. Insanity from the super.
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All the official reporting (so far) on Progreso has said that it was a single ineligible player who'd moved back and forth from La Joya during the school year. Maybe more stuff forthcoming but nothing to the level of the earlier accusations yet.
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jeffk said:

All the official reporting (so far) on Progreso has said that it was a single ineligible player who'd moved back and forth from La Joya during the school year. Maybe more stuff forthcoming but nothing to the level of the earlier accusations yet.
My buddy with the UIL finally texted me back and said something similar. He didn't go into full detail, but he confirmed the disqualification was about a player transfer issue. He did say that Progreso did not get disqualified over fielding professional players.
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jessexy said:

jeffk said:

All the official reporting (so far) on Progreso has said that it was a single ineligible player who'd moved back and forth from La Joya during the school year. Maybe more stuff forthcoming but nothing to the level of the earlier accusations yet.
My buddy with the UIL finally texted me back and said something similar. He didn't go into full detail, but he confirmed the disqualification was about a player transfer issue. He did say that Progreso did not get disqualified over fielding professional players.


Where the hell do these rumors come from?

And if does suck that so many people cheat the system disallowing kids from participating.
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Adults and teenagers believing rumors and passing them off as facts?

The number of times I'd get a parent email informing me that a rival team was cheating was… quite high. After humoring the first several rumors, I started just sending them the contact number for the UIL. No need for me to be the middleman here.
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Hey, the first rumor I heard about the Frisco ISD track meet incident was the murder weapon was a plastic fork from the concession stand. And I was told that from a track coach that was present at the stadium but didn't witness the incident. It's wild how quickly things spread and ridiculous how far away from the truth they are.
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jessexy said:

Hey, the first rumor I heard about the Frisco ISD track meet incident was the murder weapon was a plastic fork from the concession stand. And I was told that from a track coach that was present at the stadium but didn't witness the incident. It's wild how quickly things spread and ridiculous how far away from the truth they are.
Did you hear that surfer dude pulled a knife on Mr. Hand?

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Buff6 said:

King Koda said:

Maybe not a perfectly officiated match. Here are images of the kick from spot which was saved but the AR said the goalie left her line early.

Shots were taken from video as the ball was kicked and just after.



Sorry, I'm bringing this back up. We had a tournament where the girl topped the ball and it slow rolled to the goal. Naturally, not even a doubt that ball wasn't going in and they called the GK for leaving the line early. Tape showed she didn't.

So next tournament I have a conversation with officials at tournament on this issue. How can they know, unless it is obvious that the GK left the line early? They say, " we have eyes" and I say, "no way you can have your eyes both places". I honestly thought maybe they do it like outs at first base, watch the bag and listen for the ball to hit the glove, in soccer watch the line and listen for the kick. In the above example, she topped the ball so there is no sound, thus the reason for my question.

Obviously, my daughter is a GK.
Unless the GK is like 5-feet off the line (as in the whole stadium can see it), I won't call it either. Most refs' I've worked with won't call it either. In that post above, warned or not, she is clearly on the line.

Also, took a training class a few weeks back about calling off sides in close timed situations (the attacker is running full speed past a slow moving back or even static 2nd to last defender). You're brain actually will process a guy as OS, but when you watch it on video, it's not even close and the attacker was in fact not OS. The time it takes for your eye to brain to decision actually fools you...it's like a 1/10th of a second or something.

Same situation with the GK. They can look to the eye like they move off the line when in fact they don't.
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agracer said:

Buff6 said:

King Koda said:

Maybe not a perfectly officiated match. Here are images of the kick from spot which was saved but the AR said the goalie left her line early.

Shots were taken from video as the ball was kicked and just after.



Sorry, I'm bringing this back up. We had a tournament where the girl topped the ball and it slow rolled to the goal. Naturally, not even a doubt that ball wasn't going in and they called the GK for leaving the line early. Tape showed she didn't.

So next tournament I have a conversation with officials at tournament on this issue. How can they know, unless it is obvious that the GK left the line early? They say, " we have eyes" and I say, "no way you can have your eyes both places". I honestly thought maybe they do it like outs at first base, watch the bag and listen for the ball to hit the glove, in soccer watch the line and listen for the kick. In the above example, she topped the ball so there is no sound, thus the reason for my question.

Obviously, my daughter is a GK.
Unless the GK is like 5-feet off the line (as in the whole stadium can see it), I won't call it either. Most refs' I've worked with won't call it either. In that post above, warned or not, she is clearly on the line.

Also, took a training class a few weeks back about calling off sides in close timed situations (the attacker is running full speed past a slow moving back or even static 2nd to last defender). You're brain actually will process a guy as OS, but when you watch it on video, it's not even close and the attacker was in fact not OS. The time it takes for your eye to brain to decision actually fools you...it's like a 1/10th of a second or something.

Same situation with the GK. They can look to the eye like they move off the line when in fact they don't.
Flash lag. I've seen alot of those videos too. It's way harder than anyone realizes. The new VAR and SMAO don't help either. ARs are supposed to see centimeters from 30-40 yards away in determining if a player is offside or not while players are running full-speed in opposite directions.
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Flash lag. It's real. And it's harder to deal with than you realize. You are running one way. Players are running opposite directions to each other. Your eyeballs are bouncing. And flash lag happens.

Darren Cann was a very well known and very very good AR in the PL. He just retired yesterday. Corey Rockwell retired here last year. Two outstanding ARs who made those calls every match without technology.
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the_phoenix612 said:

SCHTICK00 said:

I think youth sports officials need thicker skin and to realize it's no different than being a fan at Kyle field or bluebell park. Of course parents protest what they see as a bad call just like any normal fan at a sporting event. Biggest difference is parents are usually 10' off the touchline and may be right behind the AR. I of course don't condone confronting an official, players or coaches and anyone that does should not be allowed back. It's all part of the game of competitive sports and honestly, what makes it more fun. There's nothing worse than a 8-0 beat down with disinterested fans killing the time on their phones
Horrible take. Youth sports should be about competitiveness, yes, but we should be encouraging a culture of competitiveness without negativity.

That's a pipe dream, though.

What parents need to realize is that the vast majority of our youth sports officials are either youths themselves or adults donating their time (or getting paid very little for their time) because they believe in youth sports as a vehicle for developing well-rounded people. And I guarantee you (because I hear it from the kids themselves) the players are embarrassed by your outbursts and would rather you cheer them on instead of getting riled up at the referees.

I hope you feel like a really big man after you shout at a 17 year old because he called a foul on your kid.
I help mentor and train new officials in Kansas. We train ~400 every year. We lose ~100 ever year. #1 reason is of Parent and #2 is coaches.

I even go to games Saturday mornings to mentor the new officials. MOST of them are very receptive and want to get better. It's not easy for a 14yr old to grab a whistle and stand in front of 40+ parents, grandparents and siblings and ref a small sides match, esp. when half the 'fouls' are kids just being clumsy (as in, not a foul). Yet some parents think it OK to yell and complain the whole time and then yell at a 14yr old after the match as they're walking out.
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jessexy said:

agracer said:

Buff6 said:

King Koda said:

Maybe not a perfectly officiated match. Here are images of the kick from spot which was saved but the AR said the goalie left her line early.

Shots were taken from video as the ball was kicked and just after.



Sorry, I'm bringing this back up. We had a tournament where the girl topped the ball and it slow rolled to the goal. Naturally, not even a doubt that ball wasn't going in and they called the GK for leaving the line early. Tape showed she didn't.

So next tournament I have a conversation with officials at tournament on this issue. How can they know, unless it is obvious that the GK left the line early? They say, " we have eyes" and I say, "no way you can have your eyes both places". I honestly thought maybe they do it like outs at first base, watch the bag and listen for the ball to hit the glove, in soccer watch the line and listen for the kick. In the above example, she topped the ball so there is no sound, thus the reason for my question.

Obviously, my daughter is a GK.
Unless the GK is like 5-feet off the line (as in the whole stadium can see it), I won't call it either. Most refs' I've worked with won't call it either. In that post above, warned or not, she is clearly on the line.

Also, took a training class a few weeks back about calling off sides in close timed situations (the attacker is running full speed past a slow moving back or even static 2nd to last defender). You're brain actually will process a guy as OS, but when you watch it on video, it's not even close and the attacker was in fact not OS. The time it takes for your eye to brain to decision actually fools you...it's like a 1/10th of a second or something.

Same situation with the GK. They can look to the eye like they move off the line when in fact they don't.
Flash lag. I've seen alot of those videos too. It's way harder than anyone realizes. The new VAR and SMAO don't help either. ARs are supposed to see centimeters from 30-40 yards away in determining if a player is offside or not while players are running full-speed in opposite directions.
yeah, I couldn't remember what it was called.

someone asked earlier about how we see the field and they can see it better from the stands and I just laughed. The fans are not watching the same thing as the AR. They are watching the ball. Coaches too.

I once called a player OS who was past the midfield and clearly OS (opposing team was all past midfield the other way). Ball got played up and she ran back OS to get the ball. I put the flag up and the stands are going nuts over "how can she be OS on her own half".... which was just so eye rolling b/c I was on the other side with the flag up, not her side!
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Offside is one of the most challenging rules in all sports to determine.

So many factors go into it.

Only time I've gotten out of hand as a parent, yelling too much, when my son as an attacker received a shanked punt from the other teams goal keeper and scored. Yes, he was in an offside position. No he was not offside. I was embarrassed.

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It's not that hard to avoid playing ineligible players.

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One game? So grades? Maybe card accumulation that someone missed?

What a screw up.
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That'll lose someone a job.
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Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Big changes this year with the small school and big school brackets. We have already seen what amounts to 1 v 2 seeds match up in bidistrict. Same with 3 v 4.
Yep, there's going to be a couple of teams that are not even top 15 winning state.


Congrats to the Consol girls for finishing 16th in the State!

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etmydst said:

Rudyjax said:

Mathguy64 said:

Big changes this year with the small school and big school brackets. We have already seen what amounts to 1 v 2 seeds match up in bidistrict. Same with 3 v 4.
Yep, there's going to be a couple of teams that are not even top 15 winning state.


Congrats to the Consol girls for finishing 16th in the State!




Our rival high school just won state. Our district will probably win both 6A titles.
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Cedar Park and Consol both took Dallas to the woodshed. Total domination by both schools
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SCHTICK00 said:

Cedar Park and Consol both took Dallas to the woodshed. Total domination by both schools


And District 5 6A will win 2 state titles in 6A.
 
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