Buying physical gold/silver

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Time for silver from $20-$30: 145 days

Time for silver from $30-$40: 145 days

Time for silver from $40-$50: 39 days

Time for silver from $50-$60: 12 days

Time for silver from $60-$70: __ days

Outdoorag011
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Demand is high and supply is low. To me, they are the best looking government-minted coins. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the total amount minted every year is the lowest out of all relelevant government mints.


The early version "Onza" coins are beautiful! Those are in my permanent stack that I'll never sell.
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I wanted to highlight this scam that has destroyed people's lives when they are trying to invest their IRA in precious metals. Be careful out there!

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$61
Buck Turgidson
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TTUArmy said:

AgPrognosticator said:

TTUArmy said:

Where do you stack up?

Please don't answer this...just food for thought.

Top 1% Gold Stackers = 165 oz
Top 5% Gold Stackers = 51 oz
Top 20% Gold Stackers = 15 oz

Top 1% Silver Stackers = 490 to 640 oz
Top 5% Silver Stackers = 150 to 195 oz
Top 20% Silver Stackers = 45 to 60 oz

Uhhh…..500 oz of silver is nothing….

Most Americans don't have a $1K to cover an emergency. Stacking PMs is pretty low on the list of things people would consider spending a small portion of their earnings on. People that do stack, usually start small by buying 2-3 coins a month. At that rate, stacking a monster box of silver would take some time and discipline.

And, 500 oz of silver is way more than "nothing" these days.

APMEX - ASE monster box

The premiums on Silver Eagles are just stupid. $8.19 and up per coin in that link.
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Buck Turgidson said:

TTUArmy said:

AgPrognosticator said:

TTUArmy said:

Where do you stack up?

Please don't answer this...just food for thought.

Top 1% Gold Stackers = 165 oz
Top 5% Gold Stackers = 51 oz
Top 20% Gold Stackers = 15 oz

Top 1% Silver Stackers = 490 to 640 oz
Top 5% Silver Stackers = 150 to 195 oz
Top 20% Silver Stackers = 45 to 60 oz

Uhhh…..500 oz of silver is nothing….

Most Americans don't have a $1K to cover an emergency. Stacking PMs is pretty low on the list of things people would consider spending a small portion of their earnings on. People that do stack, usually start small by buying 2-3 coins a month. At that rate, stacking a monster box of silver would take some time and discipline.

And, 500 oz of silver is way more than "nothing" these days.

APMEX - ASE monster box

The premiums on Silver Eagles are just stupid. $8.19 and up per coin in that link.

This is why we need pull backs and periods of consolidation; time to put in those floors and ceilings. Dealers have no idea how violent the swings can be from day to day or week to week. They have to pad the spreads or risk getting caught holding the bag and put out of business. At times, it can feel like were trading 3rd world currency pairs on the Forex. I think stackers experienced premiums near $20 on the last run up. That's pretty stiff.
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lobopride said:

$61

Asian markets currently keeping silver above $61.

"...but they, while their companions slept, were toiling upward in the night." - Wadsworth

Question:

PMs going up or down after the Fed confirms they're turning on the money printer?

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Feels good.
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TTUArmy said:

lobopride said:

$61

Asian markets currently keeping silver above $61.

"...but they, while their companions slept, were toiling upward in the night." - Wadsworth

Question:

PMs going up or down after the Fed confirms they're turning on the money printer?




I don't see much movement. I expect Powell to say no future cuts or something like that.
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You guys still buying? I'd sell some ases for $65
Also got a bunch of 90% half dollars
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Buck Turgidson said:

TTUArmy said:

AgPrognosticator said:

TTUArmy said:

Where do you stack up?

Please don't answer this...just food for thought.

Top 1% Gold Stackers = 165 oz
Top 5% Gold Stackers = 51 oz
Top 20% Gold Stackers = 15 oz

Top 1% Silver Stackers = 490 to 640 oz
Top 5% Silver Stackers = 150 to 195 oz
Top 20% Silver Stackers = 45 to 60 oz

Uhhh…..500 oz of silver is nothing….

Most Americans don't have a $1K to cover an emergency. Stacking PMs is pretty low on the list of things people would consider spending a small portion of their earnings on. People that do stack, usually start small by buying 2-3 coins a month. At that rate, stacking a monster box of silver would take some time and discipline.

And, 500 oz of silver is way more than "nothing" these days.

APMEX - ASE monster box

The premiums on Silver Eagles are just stupid. $8.19 and up per coin in that link.

I have several hundred silver rounds that I'd sell for $3 over spot (ASEs) and $2 over spot (Maple Leafs). Send me a private message if interested, and willing to exchange in Austin.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Don't know if this has been discussed earlier, but when I look at gold and silver 1 oz coins, Mexican Libertads are always at a pretty serious premium (so I never buy them). Anybody know why they are so much more expensive? I always see Austrian Philharmonics and Krugerrands at the low end of the price spectrum. Whats the difference?

Everyone likes a nice looking pair of Tits. Even on a coin. Got the 1,2, and 5 ounce ones a couple years ago but have always wanted the same in the Kilo Libertad coin.
ETA sd bullion seems to have the best selection of the libertads and the 32 ounce kilo coins.
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James is a great precious metals analyst and there's a bonus

If you close your eyes and listen it sometimes sounds like Coach Elko is talking gold and silver

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62….
TTUArmy
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63....

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$65 looks to be serious resistance.

Obviously, the move lower I was looking for never came. So I'm sidelined in the trading accounts mostly. Significantly above $65 and I'll be convinced we are blowing off the top.

Months ago (maybe a long) I mentioned how the gold/silver ratio chart breaking below $40 would tell me silver is close to topping. It's at 67.5 right now and falling. It might not get to that 40 level. That level mostly lined up with the 2011 fractal as a signal that the bull end was imminent. But I've got a cluster of targets in the low 50's. The blue one is measuring the 2020-2022 fall in the ratio chart and looking for 100% the size of that move from the April 2025 top in the ratio chart. The red one is a 61.8% retracement of the move up in the ratio chart from 2011-2020.



That 2011-2020 move was preceded and followed by the only two similar parabolic moves in the last quarter century as we are seeing right now in silver. In 2011, that crash signaled the beginning of an equities bull market, and the end of the recession. It was essentially "risk back on", and safe haven assets sold. From 2020 to late 2022, the market was actually going parabolic while silver was in a bear. That silver bear finished after the equities bear joined it in 2022.

Here we are now with silver going parabolic, a year after gold went parabolic, while both have been in structural bull markets since 2022. Yet equities are going up as well. So this time, silver is doing what it does leading into or during an equities bearish period, yet equities are bullish. This is concerning to me, as even in the parabolic metals rise of the 70's, the market was mostly selling in between periods of minor strength. It's concerning because there is simply no historical time where what's happening now has happened. That kind of makes sense, considering there hasn't been a time of such structural sovereign debt issues coupled with parabolic money supply growth across the world.

My current thesis (subject change if silver stretches significantly beyond $65, is that we are likely to see what feels like a crash in silver soon, possibly back into the $30's or $40's, that likely lines up with a significant risk off period for equities. Like 1974 and 2008, I see silver catching support and then engaging another massive rally in the coming years, likely aligning with a large equity selloff. If silver were to go straight up to.. say $80, I would start to consider that the end is near.



As it is now, you can buy a barrel of crude oil with a troy ounce of silver. Historically speaking, this is rare, and usually preceds a pretty large fall in the silver/brent ratio. But the late 1970's says this can move higher. Of course, that can happen with silver rising and brent falling, both rising with silver rising faster, or brent falling and silver going sideways or falling less.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

If silver were to go straight up to.. say $80, I would start to consider that the end is near.

H-A

The institutions that run the PM paper market keep a certain amount of gold, silver, and other metals on hand primarily for the sake of legitimacy and propriety. Most of their customers take their fiat gains or roll into new futures contracts. Most don't actually take physical supply...but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. This facade has become harder to maintain due to structural issues in supply/demand.

Currently, the physical demand side of the equation for PMs has added sovereign nations to the game, with industrials making up the lion's share of those taking physical delivery out of the LBMA and COMEX stocks. Retail is still a small fraction of this market. Also, nothing you don't already know.

Last month, London called in quite a few chits just to shore up a severely depleted free float. I believe they are doing everything they can to keep the market "orderly", but they are allowing PM prices to adjust higher. I don't believe they have much of a choice if they care to remain a legitimate market. Shanghai and the Saudis are acting a bit hostile by creating side PM markets. So, London has a real tiger by the tail right now.

Following you on the nature of market cycles, you somewhat allude to one of these markets missing or skipping their usual reversal into a bear market due to both risk-on and risk-off assets moving upward in tandem. If I had to make a guess, I'd say the market that missed the bear move down is probably equities. I'm sure equities have already baked in the Fed rate cuts...temporary market juice. There will be some capital rotation out of recent risk-off positions back into risk-on for a short time. Perhaps these adjustments provide the impetus for a short pullback in PMs.
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Stolen from F16

TLDR: The EU is threatening monetary warfare if Trump successfully negotiates a peace deal in Ukraine. Bullish for hard monies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/trump-dealt-major-blow-as-europe-threatens-nuclear-option-if-ukraine-deal-goes-left/ar-AA1RuVN5

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The dollar is a melting ice cube. It has lost 97% of its purchasing power since 1913. If it loses another 97% any asset nominated in dollars will look like it is worth a whole lot more. That's why I invest in gold and silver.

The US debt situation is unsolvable politically and the speed at which the debt is increasing is going faster and faster. The Fed is speeding up the money printers and will try to debase the debt. I fully expect the Treasury to revalue gold to current prices (the first of many revaluations). That will provide a floor for gold and silver.
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MRB10 said:

Stolen from F16

TLDR: The EU is threatening monetary warfare if Trump successfully negotiates a peace deal in Ukraine. Bullish for hard monies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/trump-dealt-major-blow-as-europe-threatens-nuclear-option-if-ukraine-deal-goes-left/ar-AA1RuVN5




The EU isn't worried about security risks. They are worried about the war between Russia and Ukraine ending, exposing their stagnant GDP and failing currencies which are currently being propped up by increased government defense spending. Peace in Ukraine is bad for their economy. They care nothing about the Russian or Ukranian men and women dying every day. Every darn war can be tracked back to banks and politicians trying to keep their comfy seats of power. It's disgusting.
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MRB10 said:

Stolen from F16

TLDR: The EU is threatening monetary warfare if Trump successfully negotiates a peace deal in Ukraine. Bullish for hard monies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/trump-dealt-major-blow-as-europe-threatens-nuclear-option-if-ukraine-deal-goes-left/ar-AA1RuVN5




Quote:

It could also plunge the American financial sector into a paralysis more severe than the 2008 crisis. A prominent European economist described the plan to the WSJ as a potential financial backlash that could hit the US harder than any external shock in modern history.


I think this would hit Europe even harder. It would be a case of cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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There are few issues (with the caveat that it's coming from a rank amateur):

1. The national debt is wholly out of control.

2. The fed keeps lowering rates despite rates probably needing to be in the 30% range to bring any semblance of reason to the financial markets.

3. They keep printing worthless paper money.

4. The banks have written untold amounts of paper silver with no relationship to actual physical on hand. People are shorting this and there are so many other side bets going on…just like 2008. But unlike 2008, I don't this can be bailed out. We are talking hard assets that the entire system is ultimately based upon, not BS Wall Street paper.

5. The gold-silver ratio is completely out of whack.

6. Silver is not like gold in the sense that is largely a store of wealth, it is also used in industry (and in defense such as missiles).

If inflation had not already depleted my dollar, I'd be buying more silver. I really think we are going to look back at $60…I mean $61…I mean $63…I mean $64 as an incredible discount.

Just one moron's view.
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AgPrognosticator said:

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$65 by the end of the day?
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Queso1 said:

$65 by the end of the day?
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techno-ag said:

Queso1 said:

$65 by the end of the day?

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Who would have thought this is what the kids have been telling us all this time?
 
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