*** ALIEN: EARTH *** (FX Series)

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It seems they could have used somebody else but I guess they wanted the plot armor for later.
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zap said:

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Plus the xenos grown in the GI system, which super human robot scientists would have surely noticed when examining bodies on the ship.

Maybe xenos grow in the GI because that's where the face hugger implants them? Kirsh interrupted that process via dissection so little Nemo had a find another way.


As we all know when dealing with stuff like this, life does find a way.
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Dissenting voice here, but I've started to lose interest. The weekly drops make the same setting and action points grow a little stale for me. I'm also starting to get annoyed with the kid synths; I think that was a great idea for a film, but over the course of season? Grating. Will pick back up after all the episodes drop.

It captures the vibe, the music is wonky but kind of works, and I like the gore and the creatures. Hopefully it all ties together by the end.
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Not that dissenting. I get what they are trying to do, but the kid factor is just becoming weird and excessive. "You said **** . You said ***** High five!"
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Them not even scanning their multi-billion $ hybrids after ill-advised contact with not 1, but 5 different alien species, and an enemy cyborg seems unlikely.

What had to be an at least 65 year out of date Terran implant the cyborg slipped in the Indian hybrid as his way into their "secure" facility is a little laughable.

Still having fun although I agree the kid stuff is starting to grate.
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They are overplaying the kid factor just in the two boys. Which it's clear they are doing this, so the cyborg can use the one to help him and play on his immaturity.

Two of the kids are focused on being top performers.

The red head is having trouble with the change.

And Wendy while focusing on her brother could go many paths.

I think they are doing this well bc it emulates life/families by them all having different reactions/personalities/goals.

I thought it was funny the one was using a video camera during the dissection. Don't their eyes record everything already.
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Their eyes record everything and they also record sounds. When the older guy questioned him, he said the only thing he did not hear was what the cyborg whispered to him. So yes they are being inconsistent. They should hear the conversations between the cyborg and hybrid.

It seems they could have figured some way to handle it where they don't have this contradiction.
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Their eyes recording everything wasn't known to them up to that point correct? So maybe the girl still doesn't know that?

I'm ready for the red head to traumatically rip out her eye and release the eyeball squid thing. Seems like it has a bit of a trance on her after their contact. Really like the juxtaposition of her current self and younger self as she was looking in the mirror making it seem like she had four eyes.
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Interesting to see a coffee pot in 2120.
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GoAgs92 said:

Interesting to see a coffee pot in 2120.

Thought the same thing about the cargo containers where the xeno took the brother to. Looked like they were ready to be hauled away by a big truck.
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LB12Diamond said:

Their eyes record everything and they also record sounds. When the older guy questioned him, he said the only thing he did not hear was what the cyborg whispered to him. So yes they are being inconsistent. They should hear the conversations between the cyborg and hybrid.

It seems they could have figured some way to handle it where they don't have this contradiction.


They know the cyborg gripped him which Prodigy would have seen via their visuals, and he apparently slipped the hybrid an at least 65 year old technological implant that Prodigy didn't think to try to detect on their cutting edge children hybrids.

A verbal interrogation of a child doesn't seem like an adequate security response.

I know it's a silly thing to not suspend disbelief on since Yutani needed some way for plot reasons to infiltrate.
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Faustus said:

LB12Diamond said:

Their eyes record everything and they also record sounds. When the older guy questioned him, he said the only thing he did not hear was what the cyborg whispered to him. So yes they are being inconsistent. They should hear the conversations between the cyborg and hybrid.

It seems they could have figured some way to handle it where they don't have this contradiction.


They know the cyborg gripped him which Prodigy would have seen via their visuals, and he apparently slipped the hybrid an at least 65 year old technological implant that Prodigy didn't think to try to detect on their cutting edge children hybrids.

A verbal interrogation of a child doesn't seem like an adequate security response.

I know it's a silly thing to not suspend disbelief on since Yutani needed some way for plot reasons to infiltrate.

That and somehow radio waves are allowed to be sent and received from the bug to a terminal inside the island fortress/lab without any knowledge.
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There are definitely some inconsistencies and anachronisms that are annoying, but the overall direction is still pretty solid.

This episode was a little slow, but like Andor you almost need some of these as filler episodes to move the chess pieces around.

*I like the idea of the "Curly" characters sucking up and wanting to be the favorite. Cool reveal of her downloading stuff into her brain to learn French.
*The Wutani hybrid cyborg "Morrow" trying to infiltrate & steal back stuff is a another cool subplot.
*Not sure where they are going with implanting the xeno in the removed lung. Surely they're going to put it back into him....otherwise why not just use an animal? Wouldn't they realize that Wendy is going to go apesh*t when that happens?
*Guessing this turns into "Xenomorph Park" when this is all done, with all sorts of aliens breaking out and running amok.
*I'm hoping this show mirrors what Andor/Rouge One managed to do in that it connects the back story seamlessly into the original "Alien" and we all go HOLY S___ at the end.
*Boy Kavalier is going to get whacked, not sure who it will be though. Curly, The Redhead, Wendy, an Alien?
*I'm assuming that Wendy's hearing will be addressed soon. Too big of a plot point to go unresolved I would think.
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I just assumed they harvested the lung and will tell him and Wendy they "had to do what they had to do" and turn him into a cyborg in order to keep him alive.
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WeightedWhiskey said:

I just assumed they harvested the lung and will tell him and Wendy they "had to do what they had to do" and turn him into a cyborg in order to keep him alive.

Certainly sounded like they were at a work bench and not a surgery table when they were operating on him.
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Apache said:


*The Wutani hybrid cyborg "Morrow" trying to infiltrate & steal back stuff is a another cool subplot.

*Not sure where they are going with implanting the xeno in the removed lung. Surely they're going to put it back into him....otherwise why not just use an animal? Wouldn't they realize that Wendy is going to go apesh*t when that happens?

*Guessing this turns into "Xenomorph Park" when this is all done, with all sorts of aliens breaking out and running amok.

*Boy Kavalier is going to get whacked, not sure who it will be though. Curly, The Redhead, Wendy, an Alien?


  • Morrow is probably favorite character right now. "When is a machine not a machine?"
  • I feel like Hermit will get an artificial lung. They will keep the other one in the lab for "testing."
  • Just need a storm to cause a power failure and all the critters go on the loose (sounds familiar)
  • Prodigy is not mentioned in any of the other films. This may the reason why. RIP Boy K
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Awesome episode - while they did hit us over the head about the kids being children, it was pretty humorous and really drove the point home.

The scene with Morrow data transferring was a really great visual. Was trying to find a gif or image but couldn't. Really cool shots with the data transfer cables, the computer and him sweating his ass off.

Lol @ the hallway sprayer dude. Don't think he's going to come into play, but just a casual NPC just spraying anti alien stuff on the halls and doorways.

So Wendy / Marcy is clearly connected to the alien hive mind now, right?


Redhead is clearly disassociating - and that Octopus/ Eyeball monster did something to her or at least scared her enough. Another really cool visual of her looking into the mirror with the 3rd eye.

'Curly' #2 wants the adoration of her 'father', Kavalier. While they're extremely intelligent and powerful, these synths are still just KIDS - and Kavalier fed into that by giving her a challenge.

One thing that did confuse me - at the end of the episode. Wendy/Marcy collapses just feet from the 3 of them doing the Alien autopsy. Then immediately Kirsch is taking the alien semen over to Kavalier, and it cuts back to her again on the floor. Did they just not hear her, or step completely over her in that scene? Lol - found that almost humorously strange.

Also - regarding Hermit's lung. I might go back and watch - but one of those X-ray views showed them to have implanted an artificial lung into Hermit and expanding it. They removed his injured lung and fed it to the Xeno semen - I don't believe they'll put it back into brother. That would be incredibly stupid.
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One thing that did confuse me - at the end of the episode. Wendy/Marcy collapses just feet from the 3 of them doing the Alien autopsy. Then immediately Kirsch is taking the alien semen over to Kavalier, and it cuts back to her again on the floor. Did they just not hear her, or step completely over her in that scene? Lol - found that almost humorously strange.

I laughed at that too, but we've had a couple reminders that Kirsh is a very early generation synth. And as we "later" saw with Ash, synths can be glitchy.
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I am loving this show, and agree that it does feel like Prodigy is heading for a self-inflicted disaster screwing around with these alien species.
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djmeen95 said:

I am loving this show, and agree that it does feel like Prodigy is heading for a self-inflicted disaster screwing around with these alien species.

Feels like Prodigy island is headed for the same fate as Jurassic Park.
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We've seen Wendy have some sort of connection to the Aliens and to technology. So she could have had an out of body experience and experienced that autopsy from the face hugger or some technology POV.
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She's basically hardware/software that a live consciousness was imported into. I think when she had the fight with the xeno, something somehow imprinted/imported into her
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She had the connection from the start. Remember when she was walking through the halls and how she acted when around the eggs on the ship?
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To me, this show is meh.

The alien just isn't scary anymore. I'm only 3 episodes in, and I lost count of the number of times that the alien has gone flying into a room and you hear the sound of a bunch of people dying offscreen just to see carnage everywhere afterwards and the alien gone. I guess I never really thought about it, but I assumed throughout the movies, that the alien was gonna eat the victims. That THAT was the reason why it is hunting them down and killing them. But in this show, it seems that the goal is to kill as many people as quickly as possible and move on? And how many times are we going to see the alien is threatening people an inch from their face why they just sit there?

Also, I don't really care about the main character. Especially since she is almost unkillable. I did think they killed off the brother for a moment, and I was pleasantly surprised, but it looks like he's going to be fine. So never mind there.

And I find the kid brain in the adult body thing to be annoying. I wish they would kill all of them off (except the main character) as quickly as possible.
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aTmAg said:

To me, this show is meh.

The alien just isn't scary anymore. I'm only 3 episodes in, and I lost count of the number of times that the alien has gone flying into a room and you hear the sound of a bunch of people dying offscreen just to see carnage everywhere afterwards and the alien gone. I guess I never really thought about it, but I assumed throughout the movies, that the alien was gonna eat the victims. That THAT was the reason why it is hunting them down and killing them. But in this show, it seems that the goal is to kill as many people as quickly as possible and move on? And how many times are we going to see the alien is threatening people an inch from their face why they just sit there?

Also, I don't really care about the main character. Especially since she is almost unkillable. I did think they killed off the brother for a moment, and I was pleasantly surprised, but it looks like he's going to be fine. So never mind there.

And I find the kid brain in the adult body thing to be annoying. I wish they would kill all of them off (except the main character) as quickly as possible.

On the first bolded point, this is not new. Alien is the scariest movie I ever saw. By the time of Aliens, a lot of that scare had disappeared, but it still had some holy crap moments. Same with Alien 3. But by the time of Alien: Resurrection, with two aliens swimming through water in full view, whatever scary factor they had was gone.

On the second bolded point, the alien has never been depicted as eating its victims. Its victims were there to be incubators for more aliens. Mostly they are shown grabbing their victim and hauling them away, from Brett being taken into the airshaft to the superintendent of the prison being pulled into the ceiling. Yes, they've killed their victims, but they have not been depicted as these killing machines as they are in A:E. For me, this aspect of the show is the most flabbergasting.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

aTmAg said:

To me, this show is meh.

The alien just isn't scary anymore. I'm only 3 episodes in, and I lost count of the number of times that the alien has gone flying into a room and you hear the sound of a bunch of people dying offscreen just to see carnage everywhere afterwards and the alien gone. I guess I never really thought about it, but I assumed throughout the movies, that the alien was gonna eat the victims. That THAT was the reason why it is hunting them down and killing them. But in this show, it seems that the goal is to kill as many people as quickly as possible and move on? And how many times are we going to see the alien is threatening people an inch from their face why they just sit there?

Also, I don't really care about the main character. Especially since she is almost unkillable. I did think they killed off the brother for a moment, and I was pleasantly surprised, but it looks like he's going to be fine. So never mind there.

And I find the kid brain in the adult body thing to be annoying. I wish they would kill all of them off (except the main character) as quickly as possible.

On the first bolded point, this is not new. Alien is the scariest movie I ever saw. By the time of Aliens, a lot of that scare had disappeared, but it still had some holy crap moments. Same with Alien 3. But by the time of Alien: Resurrection, with two aliens swimming through water in full view, whatever scary factor they had was gone.

On the second bolded point, the alien has never been depicted as eating its victims. Its victims were there to be incubators for more aliens. Mostly they are shown grabbing their victim and hauling them away, from Brett being taken into the airshaft to the superintendent of the prison being pulled into the ceiling. Yes, they've killed their victims, but they have not been depicted as these killing machines as they are in A:E. For me, this aspect of the show is the most flabbergasting.

I dunno.. I thought Aliens was pretty damned scary too. Like that scene with the alien "radar" and the aliens were climbing in the ceiling was pretty awesome. And the mother alien was pretty damned scary. I remember agreeing with the "nuke it from orbit" comment and was thinking "F THAT" when they dismounted the ship. Maybe it's because I'm an adult now. Haunted houses don't effect me at all either like they did when I was a kid.

But several of the Shyamalan movies got me as an adult. Like in Signs when he revealed the "alien" walking in the home video and the hand under the door... That was scary. He spent the whole movie preparing for that scene. I think the "secret" to fear is the unknown. The alien at the end of that movie wasn't nearly as scary as prior when you had no idea what it was yet.

For example, A:E show should have milked that eyeball alien a lot longer. That was clever. We viewers had no idea about that, but they spoiled it right away. Instead, they should have made the cat seem alive (or injured) for a while. Maybe eventually have several eyeball aliens burst out of it, and then they realize that the cat's eyeball was really an alien in plain sight the whole time. Not knowing is what makes things scary, not things charging at people. That's what makes The Thing so damned good. You had no idea the whole time who was who and what the thing was capable of.
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I was the right age for Alien to scare the crap out of me. 12. By the time of Aliens, I was 18 and was just not as susceptible to scary stuff. Having said that, I thought the sequence with the queen chasing Ripley/Newt to the elevator was pretty frightening.

Signs is a good example. My house at the time had a big window in the master bathroom that looked out at my back yard, and the house behind mine. I went in one night to do some business and happened to glance out the window. What I could see of the neighbor's house was a high pitched roof like the barn in the movie. I half expected to see a reptilian critter perched on that roof.

Back to Alien, Ridley Scott put on a master class on how to present a monster, much like Spielberg had done with Jaws 4 years before. The alien gets roughly 4 minutes of screen time with most coming in the last 20 minutes. You never see it clearly defined until it is 1-1 with Ripley on the escape shuttle. You really don't know what it looks like.

By the time that Aliens came out, audiences knew what it looked like. Cameron was still able to make use of lighting and camera angles to give it a scary appearance - like it running at full speed through the air ducts.
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We still have two more alien species that we don't know much about (the plant and the flying bug.)
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

I was the right age for Alien to scare the crap out of me. 12. By the time of Aliens, I was 18 and was just not as susceptible to scary stuff. Having said that, I thought the sequence with the queen chasing Ripley/Newt to the elevator was pretty frightening.

Signs is a good example. My house at the time had a big window in the master bathroom that looked out at my back yard, and the house behind mine. I went in one night to do some business and happened to glance out the window. What I could see of the neighbor's house was a high pitched roof like the barn in the movie. I half expected to see a reptilian critter perched on that roof.

Back to Alien, Ridley Scott put on a master class on how to present a monster, much like Spielberg had done with Jaws 4 years before. The alien gets roughly 4 minutes of screen time with most coming in the last 20 minutes. You never see it clearly defined until it is 1-1 with Ripley on the escape shuttle. You really don't know what it looks like.

By the time that Aliens came out, audiences knew what it looked like. Cameron was still able to make use of lighting and camera angles to give it a scary appearance - like it running at full speed through the air ducts.

I saw both as a kid. To me, The Thing is the best at it. Throughout the whole movie, you have no idea who is or who isn't a thing.

Another thing I didn't mention before is that the world A:E is basically irredeemable. It's gloomy and whatnot. That makes me sorta root for the aliens.
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aTmAg said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

I was the right age for Alien to scare the crap out of me. 12. By the time of Aliens, I was 18 and was just not as susceptible to scary stuff. Having said that, I thought the sequence with the queen chasing Ripley/Newt to the elevator was pretty frightening.

Signs is a good example. My house at the time had a big window in the master bathroom that looked out at my back yard, and the house behind mine. I went in one night to do some business and happened to glance out the window. What I could see of the neighbor's house was a high pitched roof like the barn in the movie. I half expected to see a reptilian critter perched on that roof.

Back to Alien, Ridley Scott put on a master class on how to present a monster, much like Spielberg had done with Jaws 4 years before. The alien gets roughly 4 minutes of screen time with most coming in the last 20 minutes. You never see it clearly defined until it is 1-1 with Ripley on the escape shuttle. You really don't know what it looks like.

By the time that Aliens came out, audiences knew what it looked like. Cameron was still able to make use of lighting and camera angles to give it a scary appearance - like it running at full speed through the air ducts.

I saw both as a kid. To me, The Thing is the best at it. Throughout the whole movie, you have no idea who is or who isn't a thing.

Another thing I didn't mention before is that the world A:E is basically irredeemable. It's gloomy and whatnot. That makes me sorta root for the aliens.


Still the best horror movie ever made - Carpenters version that is.
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Don't sell the original short. Try being a kid changing the TV channels late one summer night and thinking you were going to get Godzilla vs the Thing (Mothra) and getting The Thing From Another World. Pretty scary even if James Arness was recognizable as the monster. Different movie than Carpenter's classic, though.
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YouBet said:

aTmAg said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

I was the right age for Alien to scare the crap out of me. 12. By the time of Aliens, I was 18 and was just not as susceptible to scary stuff. Having said that, I thought the sequence with the queen chasing Ripley/Newt to the elevator was pretty frightening.

Signs is a good example. My house at the time had a big window in the master bathroom that looked out at my back yard, and the house behind mine. I went in one night to do some business and happened to glance out the window. What I could see of the neighbor's house was a high pitched roof like the barn in the movie. I half expected to see a reptilian critter perched on that roof.

Back to Alien, Ridley Scott put on a master class on how to present a monster, much like Spielberg had done with Jaws 4 years before. The alien gets roughly 4 minutes of screen time with most coming in the last 20 minutes. You never see it clearly defined until it is 1-1 with Ripley on the escape shuttle. You really don't know what it looks like.

By the time that Aliens came out, audiences knew what it looked like. Cameron was still able to make use of lighting and camera angles to give it a scary appearance - like it running at full speed through the air ducts.

I saw both as a kid. To me, The Thing is the best at it. Throughout the whole movie, you have no idea who is or who isn't a thing.

Another thing I didn't mention before is that the world A:E is basically irredeemable. It's gloomy and whatnot. That makes me sorta root for the aliens.


Still the best horror movie ever made - Carpenters version that is.

I'm still pretty sure that seeing that movie too early messed me up for life.
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'Curly' #2 wants the adoration of her 'father', Kavalier. While they're extremely intelligent and powerful, these synths are still just KIDS - and Kavalier fed into that by giving her a challenge.

To this point I was like "why use kids?" but his explanation of prodigies was the perfect exposition. Children have unlimited potential, and he's also hoping to eventually encounter someone who's close to his intellectual equal.

That said it's beyond dumb that Prodigy would send billions of dollar of untrained tech into this situation, but the world of Alien has never been known for its good decisions.
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fig96 said:

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'Curly' #2 wants the adoration of her 'father', Kavalier. While they're extremely intelligent and powerful, these synths are still just KIDS - and Kavalier fed into that by giving her a challenge.

To this point I was like "why use kids?" but his explanation of prodigies was the perfect exposition. Children have unlimited potential, and he's also hoping to eventually encounter someone who's close to his intellectual equal.

That said it's beyond dumb that Prodigy would send billions of dollar of untrained tech into this situation, but the world of Alien has never been known for its good decisions.

I can't remember where I saw it but on the show they had a screen shot that had a bio for Kavalier that was cut off at the end. It said he founded Prodigy after the loss of... and then that's where it cut off. My theory is that he had a twin brother or sister that died and that's who he's hoping to somehow recreate with the hybrids, which is also why they are all kids. He wants to have a conversation with someone who is his equal, who would be more equal to him than his twin? I don't see Prodigy being created due to the loss of a parent, it's got to be a sibling IMO. We'll probably find out about some mommy or daddy issues along the way with him but it just feels like at the heart of his motivations are the loss of a sibling who he wants to bring back. I think it's a twin sister because of how Wendy is the first and his "favorite."
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Wild how close we are to hybrids, synthetics and cyborgs.
 
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