*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)
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Just profound levels of hypocrisy and stupidity from some of the loudest, most obnoxious voices…
lol https://t.co/ccT5UD4jwC pic.twitter.com/hyWo2Kt0IR
— Thanos Angelopoulos (@Th_Angelopoulos) May 16, 2026
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It's not knowingly misleading with an agenda if it's faithfully adapting a source material that is universally praised by both sides of the political aisle. Your opinion is he injected politics because it made you feel a way about Truman that you felt wasn't nuanced but that's the way Oppenheimer felt about Truman…whether he was right or wrong. No one debates that fact. It's not some political slight.
Which brings me back to the Odyssey. Just because one feels a way about Nolan's decisions does not make them politically motivated. Let's see the movie and what he is going for before labeling the film woke or DEI or miscast or whatever. You can hate the movie and the casting once you see the finished product but to assume a level of politics that Nolan has NEVER injected into his films site unseen is absurd to me. The whole thing just feels like tearing down someone just to do it, which we LOVE to do in America so I guess it's right on time.
Which brings me back to the Odyssey. Just because one feels a way about Nolan's decisions does not make them politically motivated. Let's see the movie and what he is going for before labeling the film woke or DEI or miscast or whatever. You can hate the movie and the casting once you see the finished product but to assume a level of politics that Nolan has NEVER injected into his films site unseen is absurd to me. The whole thing just feels like tearing down someone just to do it, which we LOVE to do in America so I guess it's right on time.
Casting Lupita as Helen is more ******edly motivated then
Fair enough, but from my posts on this thread I think it's fairly clear that my intention hasn't been to tear Nolan down. I've admitted to being a fan of most of his movies, even ones I take issue with in certain ways. I wish people didn't have to be so black & white on this forum sometimes. You really can like a movie and critique certain aspects of it, or dislike a movie but still find parts to praise. He's one of the best technical directors in the business, but not above criticism.
TCTTS said:
Just profound levels of hypocrisy and stupidity from some of the loudest, most obnoxious voices…lol https://t.co/ccT5UD4jwC pic.twitter.com/hyWo2Kt0IR
— Thanos Angelopoulos (@Th_Angelopoulos) May 16, 2026
Its funny to me that you're referring to sorbo but this thanos **** seems like a complete ******* in looking at his posting history.
Sean Bean as Odysseus or GTFO
Wouldn't work, Odysseus doesn't die.
Just a little something to watch while waiting. The slow/stop motion at 1:43:30 cannot be beat by modern practical effects or CGI
I have no idea who that thanos guy is, and didn't even look because it's totally irrelevant. The point is the hypocrisy that's hilariously being pointing out, re: a blowhard like Sorbo. Never mind that your response underlines that you clearly have nothing of substance to say to the point itself, so you instead had to go hunting through that guy's posting history so as to find something to critique.
This is the type of response that makes you look thin skinned.
I read through his stuff because I can't figure out what his response to sorbo is even supposed to mean much less why you think it's an example of hypocrisy. The community note at least makes sense as a retort.
I read through his stuff because I can't figure out what his response to sorbo is even supposed to mean much less why you think it's an example of hypocrisy. The community note at least makes sense as a retort.
Like Elon, Sorbo has been complaining on X for days about "DEI" and "historical accuracy," re: Helen. That's what his "DEI is one thing" comment is referring to - all his past *****ing.
He then moves on to yet another grievance, accusing Nolan of "desecrating Greece" for not depicting it as colorful as it is in real life/the image on the left. Only, Sorbo is too dumb to know that Athena shrouds Ithaca in mist so that Odysseus doesn't recognize it upon his return, hence the misty, muddy look of the Damon and Zendaya (Athena) image on the right.
In other words… a perfect microcosm of this entire outrage fest, where the loudest voices have neither the knowledge, context, nor the experience of seeing the movie for themselves yet, before engaging in their endless rants (y'all think I'm bad, both Sorbo and Elon have been tweeting about this obsessively for days).
That Thanos dude is then calling back to Sorbo's DEI/historical complaints by showing Sorbo's popular Hercules character interacting with a black woman… in ancient Greece. Thus highlighting Sorbo's hypocrisy, alongside his stupidity.
He then moves on to yet another grievance, accusing Nolan of "desecrating Greece" for not depicting it as colorful as it is in real life/the image on the left. Only, Sorbo is too dumb to know that Athena shrouds Ithaca in mist so that Odysseus doesn't recognize it upon his return, hence the misty, muddy look of the Damon and Zendaya (Athena) image on the right.
In other words… a perfect microcosm of this entire outrage fest, where the loudest voices have neither the knowledge, context, nor the experience of seeing the movie for themselves yet, before engaging in their endless rants (y'all think I'm bad, both Sorbo and Elon have been tweeting about this obsessively for days).
That Thanos dude is then calling back to Sorbo's DEI/historical complaints by showing Sorbo's popular Hercules character interacting with a black woman… in ancient Greece. Thus highlighting Sorbo's hypocrisy, alongside his stupidity.
I mean, what the **** is happening here lol.
Just to clarify, that's a rhetorical question.
DannyDuberstein said:
Just to clarify, that's a rhetorical question.
Well... I asked Grok to summarize it for you in a single paragraph. Here ya go!
The TexAgs Odyssey thread began as a civilized gathering of Nolan devotees swapping casting fantasies and salivating over IMAX vistas, only to devolve into yet another predictable culture-war coliseum. One camp wails that casting non-European actors in ancient Greek roles constitutes a desecration of Homer's heritage and proof that even Nolan has bowed to the DEI overlords, while the other side preens about "artistic bravery," myth's fluidity, and how anyone complaining is a fragile purist who clearly hates cinema itself. Both factions clutch their rhetorical swords with equal self-importance, hurling accusations of wokeness or racism across dozens of pages, all while demonstrating that nothingnot even Christopher Nolancan adapt a 3,000-year-old epic without triggering a modern food fight over who is allowed to play pretend in togas.
You should ask Grok what rhetorical means
DannyDuberstein said:
You should ask Grok what rhetorical means
and the "Well..." means I reject your rhetorical and present you with an answer.
Lathspell said:DannyDuberstein said:
Just to clarify, that's a rhetorical question.
Well... I asked Grok to summarize it for you in a single paragraph. Here ya go!
The TexAgs Odyssey thread began as a civilized gathering of Nolan devotees swapping casting fantasies and salivating over IMAX vistas, only to devolve into yet another predictable culture-war coliseum. One camp wails that casting non-European actors in ancient Greek roles constitutes a desecration of Homer's heritage and proof that even Nolan has bowed to the DEI overlords, while the other side preens about "artistic bravery," myth's fluidity, and how anyone complaining is a fragile purist who clearly hates cinema itself. Both factions clutch their rhetorical swords with equal self-importance, hurling accusations of wokeness or racism across dozens of pages, all while demonstrating that nothingnot even Christopher Nolancan adapt a 3,000-year-old epic without triggering a modern food fight over who is allowed to play pretend in togas.
Accurate!
One might even say… historically accurate.
Lathspell said:DannyDuberstein said:
Just to clarify, that's a rhetorical question.
Well... I asked Grok to summarize it for you in a single paragraph. Here ya go!
The TexAgs Odyssey thread began as a civilized gathering of Nolan devotees swapping casting fantasies and salivating over IMAX vistas, only to devolve into yet another predictable culture-war coliseum. One camp wails that casting non-European actors in ancient Greek roles constitutes a desecration of Homer's heritage and proof that even Nolan has bowed to the DEI overlords, while the other side preens about "artistic bravery," myth's fluidity, and how anyone complaining is a fragile purist who clearly hates cinema itself. Both factions clutch their rhetorical swords with equal self-importance, hurling accusations of wokeness or racism across dozens of pages, all while demonstrating that nothingnot even Christopher Nolancan adapt a 3,000-year-old epic without triggering a modern food fight over who is allowed to play pretend in togas.
"Wailing" and "Preening". The entire TexAgs website summed up perfectly in two words. AI has been perfected ladies and gentlemen.
Comparing the Odyssey to the tv show Hercules is like comparing the Dodgers to the Savannah Bananas. The Odyssey is a very serious and important artistic form of western and white culture. The tv show was B rated mindless fun that isn't meant to be taken seriously...just pure late night tv slop fun.
Be better in your comparisons. Especially since you are more high brow than us poor plebs that know nothing about culture and art.
Be better in your comparisons. Especially since you are more high brow than us poor plebs that know nothing about culture and art.
The Unforgiven said:
Comparing the Odyssey to the tv show Hercules is like comparing the Dodgers to the Savannah Bananas. The Odyssey is a very serious and important artistic form of western and white culture. The tv show was B rated mindless fun that isn't meant to be taken seriously...just pure late night tv slop fun.
Be better in your comparisons. Especially since you are more high brow than us poor plebs that know nothing about culture and art.
You don't have TCs endurance, nor his self importance and need for validation. Let him win this. He needs this more than you do.
I honestly can't imagine being so devoted to a cause and role as entertainment police as Tc. Seriously, does he ever work? He's on here pretty much 24 hours a day to make sure that everyone knows that he is the supreme source of everything movie and TV related, and everyone needs to know it and stay in their place.
TCTTS said:
That Thanos dude is then calling back to Sorbo's DEI/historical complaints by showing Sorbo's popular Hercules character interacting with a black woman… in ancient Greece. Thus highlighting Sorbo's hypocrisy, alongside his stupidity.
Ok, please correct my ignorance, since I honestly don't know what this is relating to. But did Sorbo cast this actor and determine the person who was chosen to make the race issue relevant to your point?
well we all know that if anyone wanted to white wash a movie based on African Mythology all hell would break out. But black washing an important part of western and white culture, they are all in for that party. White Western culture is bad...we are just a bunch of mayo loving white bread folks in the heartland.
If he wanted a rapper to be a bard in the movie, he could have chosen someone even better than Travis Scott. Let's say, Eminem.
My issue isn't mainly that Lupita is black....she just doesn't fit the character's beauty. I can find 1,000 more beautiful women than her just on A&M's campus...and yes some of them are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. At best Lupita is a slump buster. If the character is considered the most beautiful in the world, well the actress needs to be in the top 5 in real life...at least top 10.
There wasn't a big outrage about Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury because he totally personified Nick Fury with his attitude and actions and he is just a badass.
There wasn't a big outrage about Idris Erba playing Heimdall in Thor. He totally fit the bill. Hell if Nolan really want to race swap a character he could have done it with Idris and Achilles. Some people might have a quick thought about the race issue, but most then would be l can see it because he is a badass.
If he wanted a rapper to be a bard in the movie, he could have chosen someone even better than Travis Scott. Let's say, Eminem.
My issue isn't mainly that Lupita is black....she just doesn't fit the character's beauty. I can find 1,000 more beautiful women than her just on A&M's campus...and yes some of them are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. At best Lupita is a slump buster. If the character is considered the most beautiful in the world, well the actress needs to be in the top 5 in real life...at least top 10.
There wasn't a big outrage about Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury because he totally personified Nick Fury with his attitude and actions and he is just a badass.
There wasn't a big outrage about Idris Erba playing Heimdall in Thor. He totally fit the bill. Hell if Nolan really want to race swap a character he could have done it with Idris and Achilles. Some people might have a quick thought about the race issue, but most then would be l can see it because he is a badass.
The Unforgiven said:
My issue isn't mainly that Lupita is black....she just doesn't fit the character's beauty. I can find 1,000 more beautiful women than her just on A&M's campus...and yes some of them are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. At best Lupita is a slump buster. If the character is considered the most beautiful in the world, well the actress needs to be in the top 5 in real life...at least top 10.
Why are you trying so hard to prove that you're not a racist? It's okay to say that you don't find her attractive. It doesn't make you a racist to say that someone is ugly or not as good looking.
Peter Piper said:The Unforgiven said:
My issue isn't mainly that Lupita is black....she just doesn't fit the character's beauty. I can find 1,000 more beautiful women than her just on A&M's campus...and yes some of them are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. At best Lupita is a slump buster. If the character is considered the most beautiful in the world, well the actress needs to be in the top 5 in real life...at least top 10.
Why are you trying so hard to prove that you're not a racist? It's okay to say that you don't find her attractive. It doesn't make you a racist to say that someone is ugly or not as good looking.
Peter Piper said:The Unforgiven said:
My issue isn't mainly that Lupita is black....she just doesn't fit the character's beauty. I can find 1,000 more beautiful women than her just on A&M's campus...and yes some of them are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. At best Lupita is a slump buster. If the character is considered the most beautiful in the world, well the actress needs to be in the top 5 in real life...at least top 10.
Why are you trying so hard to prove that you're not a racist? It's okay to say that you don't find her attractive. It doesn't make you a racist to say that someone is ugly or not as good looking.
You've read this thread, correct? And apparently every response to any twitter post saying she's miscast?
Because if you have then you'd see that every time someone even hints that she's not attractive enough to play Helen of Troy it's rebutted with some variation of a "you must be racist" response.
There's no room for nuanced discussion in today's world, and throwing out accusations of racism are the quickest way to assume the moral high ground.
I'd like to know what would happen if they made another Black Panther movie and cast Glenn Powell or Ryan Gosling as Black Panther. I'm sure no one would have any issue with that.
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It doesn't make you a racist to say that someone is ugly or not as good looking.
I'll take statements that are both true and false at the same time for $1000, Alex.
Yes, true statement - for anyone who lives in reality.
No, false statement - for leftists and their ilk, the most racist scum known to exist (all while claiming to not be racist).
She's miscast because she is both mid as it gets and black. If she was hot and black, she's still miscast. But mid and black is a double-down. I mean, if they had DJ Qualls play Shaft, no one would be going "well, if he was a lot more cool and imposing, it would work." Nope, she is bad for the role because she is black. She is also bad for the role because she is mid. It's okay to say it.
Just stopped in to say I like Idris Elba.
How about Idris Elba as Odysseus and Sarah Silverman as Helen
Because we've been taught that being called a racist is one of the worst things that can happen to you.
Why isn't everyone more pissed about John Leguizamo being cast as Eumaeus? He's probably got more screen time than Page or N'Yongo, he's from Colombia playing a Greek, and he especially outspoken about his politics.
Is he just not black or trans or female enough to warrant more hate?
Is he just not black or trans or female enough to warrant more hate?
CharleyKerfeld said:
Why isn't everyone more pissed about John Leguizamo being cast as Eumaeus? He's probably got more screen time than Page or N'Yongo, he's from Colombia playing a Greek, and he especially outspoken about his politics.
Is he just not black or trans or female enough to warrant more hate?
Now that you put him in a spotlight, I think by his own standards he should step down from the role and boycott his own movie.
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