dermdoc said:
Mary Grace's funeral was standing room only. Police did a cool thing by having pink bows on the back of their motorcycles and lined up as an honor guard. Pray for the parents.
Hey Nav said:
The councilman in the video is a former Marine. I think he is speaking accurately.
Btw, the City Manager of Kerrville, Dalton Rice, was also onboard. (He's the guy in the ball cap speaking a lot at all the press conferences.) For those that may have wondered why Dalton was out on the river walk in Kerrville at 3am of the tragic morning, it's because it was his habit to be up at that time for his morning run. He is a 13 year Army Special Forces veteran ( you know, a real Green Beret).
As I mentioned on day one, he is sharp and we're lucky we've had him involved in this small town.
SUag said:
There will likely be a strong viable mass of return campers to places like La Junta regardless of location, but how can you think the new camper family pool will not be dramatically shrunk if kept where it is? First level research will go from one isolated child abuse story 20+ years ago to biblical death flood in the area as recent as it could be.
Personally, if I were a camp owner, I would move the camp to a non-flood risk lake front asap and try to get as much support from the alumni to help fund it and otherwise transition.
aptexas said:
Anyone have perspective on why the camps along the North fork received less damage? Is the elevation significantly different there?
Sending you guys prayers and love. I don't know you guys but I am absolutely heartbroken and hate it for you.dermdoc said:
Mary Grace's funeral was standing room only. Police did a cool thing by having pink bows on the back of their motorcycles and lined up as an honor guard. Pray for the parents.
aptexas said:
Anyone have perspective on why the camps along the North fork received less damage? Is the elevation significantly different there?
mcsatx said:aptexas said:
Anyone have perspective on why the camps along the North fork received less damage? Is the elevation significantly different there?
More rain along the south fork. I put together some additional information here: pxl.to/mystic-analysis
These camps aren't going anywhere. They will rebuild. I don't think most people understand the amount of wealth at camps like Mystic. Mystic families will not let this be the end of a camp that has given girls and families such joy for 100 years.skinny2001 said:SUag said:
There will likely be a strong viable mass of return campers to places like La Junta regardless of location, but how can you think the new camper family pool will not be dramatically shrunk if kept where it is? First level research will go from one isolated child abuse story 20+ years ago to biblical death flood in the area as recent as it could be.
Personally, if I were a camp owner, I would move the camp to a non-flood risk lake front asap and try to get as much support from the alumni to help fund it and otherwise transition.
I think that's the only way they can continue. I imagine any of these camps couldn't renew their GL until all of the litigation works itself out.
And I'm not sure they could operate until the litigation without having to fight through some sort of injunction. I'm not an attorney (I'm sure it's obvious after you reading this)
But I bet the camps don't have the liquid assets to cover the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in legal fees needed to get through to the other side. Moving locations or drastically improving the locations in order for an insurance company to be satisfied I think will be the only way.
La junta and mystic have a very wealthy, connected and motivated alumni base so, who knows.
Camps are needed - but the world has changed and unfortunately this is another event that proves that point. It's just sad all around.
71 jock said:skinny2001 said:SUag said:
There will likely be a strong viable mass of return campers to places like La Junta regardless of location, but how can you think the new camper family pool will not be dramatically shrunk if kept where it is? First level research will go from one isolated child abuse story 20+ years ago to biblical death flood in the area as recent as it could be.
Personally, if I were a camp owner, I would move the camp to a non-flood risk lake front asap and try to get as much support from the alumni to help fund it and otherwise transition.
I think that's the only way they can continue. I imagine any of these camps couldn't renew their GL until all of the litigation works itself out.
And I'm not sure they could operate until the litigation without having to fight through some sort of injunction. I'm not an attorney (I'm sure it's obvious after you reading this)
But I bet the camps don't have the liquid assets to cover the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in legal fees needed to get through to the other side. Moving locations or drastically improving the locations in order for an insurance company to be satisfied I think will be the only way.
La junta and mystic have a very wealthy, connected and motivated alumni base so, who knows.
Camps are needed - but the world has changed and unfortunately this is another event that proves that point. It's just sad all around.
These camps aren't going anywhere. They will rebuild. I don't think most people understand the amount of wealth at camps like Mystic. Mystic families will not let this be the end of a camp that has given girls and families such joy for 100 years.
Complete Idiot said:71 jock said:skinny2001 said:SUag said:
There will likely be a strong viable mass of return campers to places like La Junta regardless of location, but how can you think the new camper family pool will not be dramatically shrunk if kept where it is? First level research will go from one isolated child abuse story 20+ years ago to biblical death flood in the area as recent as it could be.
Personally, if I were a camp owner, I would move the camp to a non-flood risk lake front asap and try to get as much support from the alumni to help fund it and otherwise transition.
I think that's the only way they can continue. I imagine any of these camps couldn't renew their GL until all of the litigation works itself out.
And I'm not sure they could operate until the litigation without having to fight through some sort of injunction. I'm not an attorney (I'm sure it's obvious after you reading this)
But I bet the camps don't have the liquid assets to cover the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in legal fees needed to get through to the other side. Moving locations or drastically improving the locations in order for an insurance company to be satisfied I think will be the only way.
La junta and mystic have a very wealthy, connected and motivated alumni base so, who knows.
Camps are needed - but the world has changed and unfortunately this is another event that proves that point. It's just sad all around.
These camps aren't going anywhere. They will rebuild. I don't think most people understand the amount of wealth at camps like Mystic. Mystic families will not let this be the end of a camp that has given girls and families such joy for 100 years.
Is the joy at these camps predicated on the elevation the dwelling units are built?
I agree they will, and should, be rebuilt. Mystic, and hopefully the other camps, own land that is out of the flood plain. Rebuilding higher means a bit further from the river, but I don't think that will impact what makes the camp special in any way.
aptexas said:
I was wondering the same, particularly about camps located along the North fork. Anyone have insight on why they received less damage? Is the elevation significantly different?
ReelAg6 said:Sending you guys prayers and love. I don't know you guys but I am absolutely heartbroken and hate it for you.dermdoc said:
Mary Grace's funeral was standing room only. Police did a cool thing by having pink bows on the back of their motorcycles and lined up as an honor guard. Pray for the parents.
aptexas said:
To be transparent, my daughter attends Waldemar and I am wondering if the North fork typically floods less (because of elevation or other factors), or were they just lucky this time?
aptexas said:
To be transparent, my daughter attends Waldemar and I am wondering if the North fork typically floods less (because of elevation or other factors), or were they just lucky this time?
Burdizzo said:
What is that well-maintained property to the SE of Camp Mystic on Moore Road, and why would USACOE allow 4 dams along Cypress Creek there?
