cb1919 said:

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He's objectively still one of the top players

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Who missed 7 cuts out of the last 12 majors. Top players don't play that shtty.

I guess they do

Jawn Dough said:

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cb1919 said:

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He's objectively still one of the top players

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Who missed 7 cuts out of the last 12 majors. Top players don't play that shtty.

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He's won 1 of the last 16 majors. How many of the 5 picked after him have done the same or better? Cherrypicking stats is fun.

I Am A Critic said:

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Jawn Dough said:

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cb1919 said:

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He's objectively still one of the top players

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Who missed 7 cuts out of the last 12 majors. Top players don't play that shtty.

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He's won 1 of the last 16 majors. How many of the 5 picked after him have done the same or better? Cherrypicking stats is fun.

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I don't know why you keep bringing up the other 5 players. I know this is a thread about the Ryder Cup but I'm not talking about that with JT. He can be overrated and still be better than those other guys.

So just to be clear...Ryder Cup team or not, I think JT is overrated. He ain't what he used to be. It has nothing to do about whether he deserves to be on the team or not.

Are we good now?

And if he's better than them he's likely one of the top players in golf, which you said he wasn't.

So, he's a guy who rose to the top of his sport and gained the popularity commensurate with that who's now slid back to only being a top 15 or so player in the world. Yet, he still has a lot of fans because of his prior success. That . . . sounds like virtually everyone (outside of the total freaks like Jordan, Tiger, Brady) who is in the limelight long enough. Not seeing the groundbreaking insight.

cb1919 said:

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And if he's better than them he's likely one of the top players in golf, which you said he wasn't.

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I'm being facetious but maybe all 6 guys suck and JT just sucks a bit less. That doesn't make him a "top" player.

It's like Boise State being the Mountain West Conference champion. Would you say that they're one of the top teams in the country? I doubt it.

Our definition of what is considered a "top" player is different and I'll just leave it at that.

JCA1 said:

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So, he's a guy who rose to the top of his sport and gained the popularity commensurate with that who's now slid back to only being a top 15 or so player in the world. Yet, he still has a lot of fans because of his prior success. That . . . sounds like virtually everyone (outside of the total freaks like Jordan, Tiger, Brady) who is in the limelight long enough. Not seeing the groundbreaking insight.

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If you consider me offering "groundbreaking insight" by saying that he's overrated, that's on you.

It's just an opinion, man. It's a topic of discussion in every sport.

Jawn Dough said:

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cb1919 said:

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And if he's better than them he's likely one of the top players in golf, which you said he wasn't.

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I'm being facetious but maybe all 6 guys suck and JT just sucks a bit less. That doesn't make him a "top" player.

It's like Boise State being the Mountain West Conference champion. Would you say that they're one of the top teams in the country? I doubt it.

Our definition of what is considered a "top" player is different and I'll just leave it at that.

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That analogy doesn't fly. No one confuses the Mountain West for all of college football.

JT can only be ranked against other real world golfers. I guess people can differ over how many constitute the "top" but whoever are the best amongst those guys are, by definition, the top. Unless you can name a whole bunch of guys you think are better, JT's at the top.

he's currently 5th in OWGR. Has not been great in majors since his last PGA win but worked his self out of his slump and is playing solid. Overrated feels more like Fowler or Speith to me.

I can settle this real quick.

Is JT good? Yes.
Do we want him on the Ryder Cup team? Yes.

The Mountain West example is horrible. The Ryder Cup is always a who's who of the top players in golf.

Bunk Moreland said:

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You'd take JT over Rahm right now? Pass the joint.

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That was my only troll pick. Rahm is better than JT right now for sure. I just like JT.

But for the people *****ing about Cantlay, go watch a tourney in person. I'd wager Keegan takes longer between shots. Cantlay just doesn't practice swing and sits over the ball longer with his waggles.

I think he's below tour average, but it isn't so unbearable if you're there in person. I followed him, JT, and DJ a few years ago at Southern Hills and DJ felt like he took longer overall.

I'm a huge jt fan and I would not have put him on the team. He is a mental trainwreck in crunch time. Most of any success he has had in past Ryder cups has been Spieth carrying him. He has as much talent as anyone on the tour and that is why bones left the security on his NBC job to caddy for jt. He had visions of being like Ted Scott. But he did not sign up for missed cut after missed cut and went back to NBC. I do give it credit for grinding back, though. He is seldom in contention in tournaments anymore. He had the win this year and he was in contention in about 2 others on Sunday. But he is getting to be like Jim furyk who would make a cut but not be in contention then throw a really good Sunday score up and backdoor a decent finish although never in contention. JT has the course record on something like 5 PGA courses and that takes a ton of talent. But where he is now in golf can be summed up by his play at the Players this year. -2 after 7 holes and near the top of the leaderboard. Then puts a ball in the water on 17 (his 8th hole of the day) and shoots +10 over the next 9 holes, hitting 4 balls in the water. Then he goes something like -13 over the next 19 holes, shooting a course record and getting back in contention. But he quickly faded away and finished in the middle of the pack.

I'm fine with him being on the team but his driver will be a liability. He should only play 4 ball and singles. I think he'd be a bad fit for alt shot.

Missed cut after missed cut man

JT could be really good for four ball as long as his partner can pick him up on the bad holes.

It's not about JT being a top 10 golfer. But the Ryder Cup is not a regular tournament. It is a series of high pressure 18 hole matches. Do you trust that JT can handle that. I want someone who can consistently hit clutch shots when the pressure is high. I would not put JT in the top 10 in clutch players at this point of his career. Mentally, he lets bad shots affect him more than a lot of players and I just dont think he is clutch .I hope that wont be the case in this event.

Hes just not the same player he was from 16 - 20. He used to play fearless. Now he is not great off the tee and his putting is not good. His iron play is well above average which sounds good, but it used to be the best. I really enjoyed watching him during his peak years and keep hoping he will get it back. He shows glimpses of getting it back, but I'm still waiting. Part of it is that golf is not his whole life like it used to be but that makes what rory does remarkable. So we will see. I hope he tears it up and can provide some leadership. That would be great.

safety guy said:

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Hes just not the same player he was from 16 - 20. He used to play fearless. Now he is not great off the tee and his putting is not good. His iron play is well above average which sounds good, but it used to be the best. I really enjoyed watching him during his peak years and keep hoping he will get it back. He shows glimpses of getting it back, but I'm still waiting. Part of it is that golf is not his whole life like it used to be but that makes what rory does remarkable. So we will see. I hope he tears it up and can provide some leadership. That would be great.

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Even if he's not the same guy he was 5 years ago, you still have to replace him with a real, live golfer, not some mythical golf savant. You've been real quiet on that. Who did we pass over who meets these standards of yours?

The guys who want to pass on the JT, Cantlay and Morikawa level players never actually compare their alternatives to those guys.
They have these outsized expectations for big name players, and then when an Andrew Novak type has a decent run of weeks they immediately are ready to jump on board.

JT was carried by Spieth is my favorite of that crazy diatribe… so you even watch Rome 2 years ago???

Euro team set now. No surprises from Donald. Harry Hall hardest hit.

Rory McIlroy, Robert MacIntyre, Tommy Fleetwood, Justin Rose, Tyrrell Hatton, Shane Lowry, Sepp Straka, Ludvig Aberg, Viktor Hovland, Matt Fitzpatrick and Jon Rahm.

Is Europe the actual boys club??

JCA1 said:

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Euro team set now. No surprises from Donald. Harry Hall hardest hit.

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Probably not as hard as Matt Wallace. He wasn't that far behind Matt Fitzpatrick but just couldn't close the gap this late.

I wonder what Scottie thought about Viktor and Ludvig LOL-ing on the Zoom call about their 9&7 win in Rome. Hope this is one of those "don't poke the bear" things.

Xander couldn't make time to play in the Napa event?

what's the deadline for him committing? Its next week right?

I think people make way too big a deal about them playing or not playing. They didn't play leading up to blowout win at Whistling. He's one of the best players in the world with a great track record of playing good in big events. He had a rough year coming back from injury, maybe he thinks that his time is better spent getting some things right practicing as opposed to playing.