The full 60 Minutes piece is now up. Not super insightful, but definitely worth the watch, and features lots of footage from the prologue…

Samuel Jackson will be returning in his role of Zeus from Die Hard With Vengeance. Odysseus will be forced to wear a "I hate …" sign like Jon McLain did, which is likely to make things awkward with Helen.

IMDB Trivia for Samantha Morton:

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In early 2008, she revealed that she had been "close to death" after suffering a debilitating stroke due to being hit by a piece of 17th-century plaster that fell on her head (damaging her vertebral artery) when filming for Transsiberian (2008) in 2006 causing partial paralysis and loss of vision and was replaced by Emily Mortimer. She was in hospital for three weeks after the incident. She withdrew from the public spotlight and took an 18-month break from film acting to spent time in physical and speech therapy, learning how to walk and remaster her speaking skills. She went straight from therapy into filming Synecdoche, New York (2008). She reports "I still have a slight dis-fluency, sentences are spaced differently, but I was given a clean bill of health.".

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At 14, she was convicted of making threats to kill and sentenced to 18 weeks at an attendance center. She was originally charged with attempted murder. The incident occurred at a children's home in Nottingham during a riot.

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Was homeless for almost a year, sleeping at friends' houses or in bus shelters between the ages 13 - 14.

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She has a reputation for being difficult on set, by her own admission: in an interview given with The Guardian Weekend magazine in 2009, she stated that it was fair enough to tell crew members to shut it if they were chatting away while she was giving it her all - she works hard and expects others to do so, too.

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Urban Ag said:

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At this point I am hoping we see a flashback of Achilles leading the Myrmidons at the beach landing of Troy except that he's Japanese and Myrmidons are kamikaze whalers.

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I would watch this!

Are any of the critics here still otherwise excited for the movie?

I am.

My own criticism ranges from "silly modern Batman armor" (which I recognize I just may like when I see more than a snippet, i.e., when I get the full context I will say to myself, "Oh yeah, that works") to questioning philosophical/ideological/political influence and that of the culture we are immersed in. But, the latter is intertwined in my profession of human understanding, and such questions will always come up for me.

Regardless, I remain excited for this movie. I may not like casting choices, dialogue, or use of what appears to be medieval armor, but Nolan is a master storyteller who is not overly relying on green screens and cgi and my hope is the story, visuals, and score render my own silly complaints just that.

Which goes back to when I first posted on this thread 1 year, 3 months, and 28 pages ago - Just please don't eff it up.

I'm still wanting to see it and I don't think he's going to eff it up. My biggest problem is unless I can get one of my boys to go with me I'll probably have to wait until it's streaming. Oh well.

There are few posters on this thread that take all of this way too seriously, both in critiquing and defending. And then there is a contingent of posters who are thoroughly enjoying reading the banter, don't really care that much, and maybe even troll a little. Maybe.

I'm not a big Nolan guy but then again I'm not a Hollywood Homer either (pun fully intended). I do know enough to know that his works are highly respected, and I love this genre, so yes, still excited.

Maybe I should put this on the Tenet thread but it is buried:



FYI, she has a math error at one point in the video

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I disagree with TC on this particular issue, and do feel like these are rather titanic miscasts. Especially Elliot Page as Achilles, that sounds like an SNL sketch. In fact I have disagreed with him on multiple issues but more often than not I just move on

But some of yall go unhinged on TC and put a lot of words into his mouth that he isn't saying. You can say he does the same but he gets dog piled in a way no one else is on this board and frankly some of you are not as subtle with what you post as you think. You may take issue On his views but I think most would agree TC with his connections in the industry and clear passion for films elevates this board.

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Absolutely despite some absurd casting. He's only made one film that I didn't enjoy (Tenet).

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Funny thing is, I ended up liking Tenet after repeated re-watching and adding the subtitles.

But, I've already made the "people with bad opinions" list on this very thread so . . .

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I need to do this. Maybe that will help. Also, I might have been drinking wine the first time we watched it which certainly would not have helped matters.

After multiple rewatches, I've really come to love Tenet as well.

My one problem isn't with the complexity, which I finally started to wrap my head around, it's with the casting / relationship between John David Washington's character and Elizabeth Debicki's character (the wife of Kenneth Branagh's character). This is my own preference, of course, I just feel like there should have been a romantic spark between them, with Washington's character falling for her, trying to save her from her situation, they sleep together once, etc. The movie was missing that emotional element/chemistry, IMO. I'm not even talking a "love story," just more of a Bond/Bond girl element, at least, with a smidge of heat/sex appeal, with them still going their separate ways in the end.

That, and I would have recast at least one of them, probably Debicki. She's obviously a great actress, and I like her in general, but she's also super dour and like seven feet tall. Her and Washington, who's 5'9", just look so awkward standing side-by-side in their scenes together, they have zero chemistry, etc. I can't help but think if her character was played by someone closer to Washington's height, with a little more... sauce/spark/romantic chemistry, the movie would have been damn near perfect for me. Washington himself is fine, and does a good job, but ideally I would have cast someone else in his role as well. More of a proper movie star.

Then again, I totally get that the main relationship of the movie is the Washington/Pattinson bond, and it's mostly their story. I just feel like there was a way to pull off both.

After watching the movie and seeing how the role was portrayed, pretty big difference between the two situations

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That, and I would have recast at least one of them, probably Debicki. She's obviously a great actress, and I like her in general, but she's also super dour and like seven feet tall. Her and Washington, who's 5'9", just look so awkward standing side-by-side in their scenes together, they have zero chemistry, etc.

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Could flip Pattinson and Washington.

I didn't like Washington in the role at all. After seeing him in more than one movie I just don't really like him as an actor. It's probably not fair to compare him to his father because his father is one of the greatest actors in Hollywood history, but John David doesn't have a tenth of the charisma of his father. He just comes across as a cold fish to me. All the worse because Pattinson, as good as he is, is also pretty dour. I didn't like their chemistry in Tenet.

You know you would be pissed if they casted a white guy as the Black Panther. We all know it. Are you fine with a white actor playing as Black Panther in the next Black Panther movie?

The Unforgiven said:

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You know you would be pissed if they casted a white guy as the Black Panther. We all know it. Are you fine with a white actor playing as Black Panther in the next Black Panther movie?

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I have never met someone who A) uses "casted" - which isn't a word - and also B) makes logical, well-argued points. That streak is still alive.

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your comment once again proves that you think you are better than everyone else. You will never get rid of that stink.

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Then take a big ol' whiff. I could not care less.