Kimmel Pulled Off Air Indefinitely

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Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?

But he didn't say that. Why should he a say he's sorry for something he didn't say?



There is no other reasonable way to understand his comments. If you can't admit that, I can't take you seriously.

You're reading what you want into his comments. That is 100% NOT what he actually said.


Got it. I shouldn't take you seriously.
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fat girlfriend said:

Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?

But he didn't say that. Why should he a say he's sorry for something he didn't say?



There is no other reasonable way to understand his comments. If you can't admit that, I can't take you seriously.

You're reading what you want into his comments. That is 100% NOT what he actually said.


Got it. I shouldn't take you seriously.

Likewise...
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fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?


Kimmel didn't lie about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy.

Here are his exact words…

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

The point he was trying to make was that, before we had enough evidence to make a definitive call one way or the other, "the MAGA gang" was frothing at the mouth to blame "the left" (i.e. "anything other than one of them") for the shooting, whether that information turned out to be accurate or not. "The MAGA gang" didn't wait to see if, say, the shooter was extreme right, and didn't think Kirk was far right enough, or wait to see if there was some other nuance to his motivations. Kimmel's point was that "the MAGA gang" didn't wait for confirmation. Rather, they used the opportunity to instantly and fervently start blaming fifty percent of the country for the actions of one radicalized lunatic.

To that end, Kimmel was right.

Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an idiotic, ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move. For that, however, he did seem to make amends, in his own way.

Should he have still simply said "I'm sorry" and moved on? Maybe so. I'm just saying that, from his perspective, I understand why he didn't.
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TCTTS said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?


Kimmel didn't lie about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy.

Here are his exact words…

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

The point he was trying to make was that, before we had enough evidence to make a definitive call one way or the other, "the MAGA gang" was frothing at the mouth to blame "the left" (i.e. "as anything other than one of them") for the shooting, whether that information turned out to be accurate or not. "The MAGA gang" didn't wait to see if, say, the shooter was extreme right, and didn't think Kirk was right enough, or wait to see if there was some other nuance to his motivations. Kimmel's point was that "the MAGA gang" didn't wait for confirmation. Rather, they used the opportunity to instantly and fervently start blaming fifty percent of the country for the actions of one radicalized lunatic.

To that end, Kimmel was right.

Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move. For that, however, he did seem to make amends, in his own way.

Should he have still simply said "I'm sorry" and moved on? Maybe so. I'm just saying that, from his perspective, I understand why he didn't.


Not only were we spot on with our assumption (who in their right mind wouldn't guess that an assassin of Charlie Kirk isn't a leftist?) but then a large number of that "half of the country" either openly celebrated his death, issued some kind of call for "both sides" to stop this, or said nothing at all. Ordinary people like nurses, teachers, and business workers lost their jobs for taking to social media to express joy. If you'd talked to many people in your industry about it, they'd have candidly either joked about it or earnestly approved. I'm not sure when if ever you'll have a look around and notice that hateful rhetoric coming from places of influence on the left is driving acts of hate and violence, and it's only getting worse. At some point you'll need to stop excusing people in your industry and realize they're part of the problem.
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TCTTS said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?


Kimmel didn't lie about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy.

Here are his exact words…

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

The point he was trying to make was that, before we had enough evidence to make a definitive call one way or the other, "the MAGA gang" was frothing at the mouth to blame "the left" (i.e. "as anything other than one of them") for the shooting, whether that information turned out to be accurate or not. "The MAGA gang" didn't wait to see if, say, the shooter was extreme right, and didn't think Kirk was right enough, or wait to see if there was some other nuance to his motivations. Kimmel's point was that "the MAGA gang" didn't wait for confirmation. Rather, they used the opportunity to instantly and fervently start blaming fifty percent of the country for the actions of one radicalized lunatic.

To that end, Kimmel was right.

Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move. For that, however, he did seem to make amends, in his own way.

Should he have still simply said "I'm sorry" and moved on? Maybe so. I'm just saying that, from his perspective, I understand why he didn't.


Lot of words. But it's spin. The implication is obvious, and any attempt to obfuscate that is childish political stupidity.
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fat girlfriend said:

TCTTS said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?


Kimmel didn't lie about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy.

Here are his exact words…

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

The point he was trying to make was that, before we had enough evidence to make a definitive call one way or the other, "the MAGA gang" was frothing at the mouth to blame "the left" (i.e. "as anything other than one of them") for the shooting, whether that information turned out to be accurate or not. "The MAGA gang" didn't wait to see if, say, the shooter was extreme right, and didn't think Kirk was right enough, or wait to see if there was some other nuance to his motivations. Kimmel's point was that "the MAGA gang" didn't wait for confirmation. Rather, they used the opportunity to instantly and fervently start blaming fifty percent of the country for the actions of one radicalized lunatic.

To that end, Kimmel was right.

Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move. For that, however, he did seem to make amends, in his own way.

Should he have still simply said "I'm sorry" and moved on? Maybe so. I'm just saying that, from his perspective, I understand why he didn't.


Lot of words. But it's spin. The implication is obvious, and any attempt to obfuscate that is childish political stupidity.


"Nuh uh!"
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Cliff.Booth said:

TCTTS said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?


Kimmel didn't lie about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy.

Here are his exact words…

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

The point he was trying to make was that, before we had enough evidence to make a definitive call one way or the other, "the MAGA gang" was frothing at the mouth to blame "the left" (i.e. "as anything other than one of them") for the shooting, whether that information turned out to be accurate or not. "The MAGA gang" didn't wait to see if, say, the shooter was extreme right, and didn't think Kirk was right enough, or wait to see if there was some other nuance to his motivations. Kimmel's point was that "the MAGA gang" didn't wait for confirmation. Rather, they used the opportunity to instantly and fervently start blaming fifty percent of the country for the actions of one radicalized lunatic.

To that end, Kimmel was right.

Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move. For that, however, he did seem to make amends, in his own way.

Should he have still simply said "I'm sorry" and moved on? Maybe so. I'm just saying that, from his perspective, I understand why he didn't.


Not only were we spot on with our assumption (who in their right mind wouldn't guess that an assassin of Charlie Kirk isn't a leftist?) but then a large number of that "half of the country" either openly celebrated his death, issued some kind of call for "both sides" to stop this, or said nothing at all. Ordinary people like nurses, teachers, and business workers lost their jobs for taking to social media to express joy. If you'd talked to many people in your industry about it, they'd have candidly either joked about it or earnestly approved. I'm not sure when if ever you'll have a look around and notice that hateful rhetoric coming from places of influence on the left is driving acts of hate and violence, and it's only getting worse. At some point you'll need to stop excusing people in your industry and realize they're part of the problem.


Here you go yet again, telling me what I do and don't experience in my own life, away from this board.

Seriously, **** off with this bull*****

Because I HAVE "talked to many people in my industry about it" and NOT A SINGLE ONE "candidly either joked about it or earnestly approved." Literally everyone I know was horrified by this, while the vast majority of Democrats on the news/in public positions have't condoned the shooter in any way, etc.

I'm not excusing anyone in that regard.

Rather, you're seeing extreme left pieces of **** on social media celebrating, and then you're blatantly ascribing those celebrations to "a large number of half the country," without any proof whatsoever of how many on the left are actually celebrating. You're ballooning the numbers so you have an "other" to rage against/further inflame culture wars with, because that's all you know how to do, and all you ever do on this board. You're just as bad Kimmel in that regard. You are never not incensatly mocking/whining about the left on this board.
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You bent over backwards and put on your characteristic blinders to try to see Kimmel making a legit point instead of realizing he's just an ******* throwing fuel on the fire after an assassination instead of showing class or dignity.

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Good Lord, dude, learn to read...

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Where I disagree with him is that he shouldn't have even gone there at all, or been so cavalier with his language that it could be misconstrued in the way that it was, considering the situation, how on edge both sides were/are, etc. He let his snarky finger-pointing get the best of him, which was an idiotic, ill-advised, didn't-read-the-room move.


This is me realizing/saying/admitting that he shouldn't have thrown fuel on the fire. There's no other way to interpret my words there.
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TC, if you would just admit that Cliff is right about everything, this thread could end.
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He's too busy being the "political moderate" who thinks Kimmel saying Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA was an OK take. This kind of stuff is why he's a living meme on this board.
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There's a difference between saying "Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA" - vs - "MAGA spent all weekend trying to blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one crazed *******."

The fact that you guys can't recognize that nuance says more about you than it does me.

Also, no where did I say that Kimmel's was "an OK take," seeing as I clearly - now for the umpteenth time - am saying he shouldn't have said it all.
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Unrelated to the thread, are you C@lAg?
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Not chronically on this board enough to get that jab.
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Nah, was legit curious. Wonder what happened to that guy.
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Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?

But he didn't say that. Why should he a say he's sorry for something he didn't say?



There is no other reasonable way to understand his comments. If you can't admit that, I can't take you seriously.

You're reading what you want into his comments. That is 100% NOT what he actually said.


He heavily implied it which means that YES there is another way to take it and millions of people did.

The FACT that it was completely unrelated to the joke tells you that it was also quite intentional. There was no need to mention the shooters affiliation when the punch line was Trumps apparent lack of empathy except to insinuate that he is related to MAGA.

Don't be obtuse.
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TCTTS said:

There's a difference between saying "Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA" - vs - "MAGA spent all weekend trying to blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one crazed *******."

The fact that you guys can't recognize that nuance says more about you than it does me.

Also, no where did I say that Kimmel's was "an OK take," seeing as I clearly - now for the umpteenth time - am saying he shouldn't have said it all.


Interesting.

If there is a big difference and it can't be interpreted in a terribly negative way then why would you say that he shouldn't have said it?

Those two statements do not jive.

And for the billionth time it has nothing to do with the joke therefore it was quite intentional to make that association. any other interpretation is just goal tending.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

Macarthur said:

fat girlfriend said:

If he would say, "I'm sorry I lied about the Kirk shooter being a MAGA guy," that would suffice.

Why won't he say that?

But he didn't say that. Why should he a say he's sorry for something he didn't say?



There is no other reasonable way to understand his comments. If you can't admit that, I can't take you seriously.

You're reading what you want into his comments. That is 100% NOT what he actually said.


He heavily implied it which means that YES there is another way to take it and millions of people did.

The FACT that it was completely unrelated to the joke tells you that it was also quite intentional. There was no need to mention the shooters affiliation when the punch line was Trumps apparent lack of empathy except to insinuate that he is related to MAGA.

Don't be obtuse.

No one has said you couldnt take it that way, but many have said we didn't hear it that way. I was prepared for him to have said something awful and was like "that's what everyone is mad about?"

And you've repeatedly said it wasn't necessary for the joke, we get it. It's still your interpretation of what he said.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

TCTTS said:

There's a difference between saying "Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA" - vs - "MAGA spent all weekend trying to blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one crazed *******."

The fact that you guys can't recognize that nuance says more about you than it does me.

Also, no where did I say that Kimmel's was "an OK take," seeing as I clearly - now for the umpteenth time - am saying he shouldn't have said it all.


Interesting.

If there is a big difference and it can't be interpreted in a terribly negative way then why would you say that he shouldn't have said it?

Those two statements do not jive.

And for the billionth time it has nothing to do with the joke therefore it was quite intentional to make that association. any other interpretation is just goal tending.


He shouldn't have said it THEN, in THAT moment, in THAT context, on national television, just five days after the assassination, bookended by jokes (the Trump one being unrelated - I agree with you in that regard), etc.

The issues (for me) are that Kimmel's sentiment was ill-timed, not clearly communicated, and did nothing but sew further division. To that end, he should have either not said it at all (my preferred option), or he should been way more explicit about what he meant.

But the core sentiment of what he was getting at? I don't have a problem with it in and of itself. It *was* really gross watching a number of prominent folks on the right blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one kid. Like I said earlier, they were (and still are) going nuts about all the fascist/Hitler name-calling from the left that they said led to Kirk's assassination (which I'm not disputing), while in the very next breath engaging in equally over-the-top, frothing-at-the-mouth name-calling/demonizing themselves.

Still, as much as I can't stand that kind of hypocrisy, critique of that hypocrisy shouldn't have been doled out by Jimmy Kimmel of all people, when he said it, where he said it, and how he delivered it.
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But that's what makes it worse. Adding an unnecessary political Molotov cocktail to an ill timed joke associated in any way with a murder.

Notice no one is complaining about the way trump was represented. Or the fact that he was the subject of the joke. That's all fair game.

There was only one reason to add the lead in statement and that was to make a political association of the shooter. So to try to dismiss it as a misinterpretation is misguided defense mechanism.
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Holy sh/t this stupid thread is still going? After 23 pages have we learned anything? How many opinions have been changed?
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I think it is the inclusion of the unrelated lead in that proves the intent.

So as it was told it is:
  • poor timing
  • politically motivated
  • very intentional
Without the lead in it is:
  • poor timing but a fairly innocuous joke just about trump (expected)
Very different reaction for the second case. Actually no reaction at all as it would not have gone viral. I would have never seen it as the only time I see Kimmel is when he says something politically motivated and stupid.


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It's been enlightening. The way people react to what's going on and the mental gymnastics they'll put themselves through to avoid connecting the obvious dots is interesting.
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Right back at you.
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Ok.
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Second most popular "Slippin' Jimmy" on the ENT board.

Congrats, Mr Kimmel.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Nah, was legit curious. Wonder what happened to that guy.


He somehow got Texags to completely wipe all of his posts. Doesn't make much sense.

Maybe he was Porkchop? Jorts?
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TCTTS said:

There's a difference between saying "Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA" - vs - "MAGA spent all weekend trying to blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one crazed *******." .


That's total bull**** spin, and not what he said. He said "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

That's Kimmel trying to blame 50% of the country for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

And this wasn't isolated. Lawrence Tribe tweeted that the shooter was MAGA, Heather Cox Richardson posted that the shooter was MAGA, even elected officials in the Democratic Party tweeted that the shooter was "a straight white male from a Republican, Trump voting family."

It was gaslighting. Anything short of admitting as much is spin.

(And I've never voted for Trump).
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Cliff.Booth said:

He's too busy being the "political moderate" who thinks Kimmel saying Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA was an OK take. This kind of stuff is why he's a living meme on this board.

He contributes more quality info to this board in a year than you, me and 10,000 other posters combined could in a decade.

I DGAF what his politics or anybody else's are.
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fat girlfriend said:

TCTTS said:

There's a difference between saying "Kirk's assassin was likely MAGA" - vs - "MAGA spent all weekend trying to blame fifty percent of the country for the actions of one crazed *******." .


That's total bull**** spin, and not what he said. He said "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."

That's Kimmel trying to blame 50% of the country for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

And this wasn't isolated. Lawrence Tribe tweeted that the shooter was MAGA, Heather Cox Richardson posted that the shooter was MAGA, even elected officials in the Democratic Party tweeted that the shooter was "a straight white male from a Republican, Trump voting family."

It was gaslighting. Anything short of admitting as much is spin.

(And I've never voted for Trump).


It's not "total bull*****"

It's basic reading comprehension combined with an ability to recognize obvious context clues, along with a simple understanding of how the English language works.

First of all, the subject of Kimmel's sentence/sentiment is "the MAGA gang." It's not the shooter, who is the object/target of their characterization. Thus, Kimmel's implication is that the MAGA machinery (media, talking heads, podcasters, spokespersons, etc) acted reflexively - not waiting for facts - to shape the narrative in their favor, in a way that grossly and unfairly painted half the country as having blood on their hands.

This is obvious because the second clause ("desperately trying to characterize this kid") underscores that Kimmel's quote is about opportunism in response to a tragedy, rather than an evidence-based claim about the shooter, at the time "(i.e. "over the weekend"). Thus, Kimmel's rhetorical target was obviously the behavior of those who rushed to categorize the assassination, not a definitive statement about the shooter's political allegiance.

Yes, there's ambiguity there that unfortunately left room for attack, which is one of the problems I have with it. Otherwise, basic common sense tells you exactly what Kimmel meant.

I know that nuance is really, really hard for some of you who so desperately want to live in a black-and-white, good-vs-evil world, and find your identities in raging against that "evil" on the internet. But that's simply not the world we live in, and Kimmel simply didn't say what so you clearly wish he had.
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He's going to print off your post and tape it to his fridge.
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Quote:


I know that nuance is really, really hard for some of you who so desperately want to live in a black-and-white, good-vs-evil world, and find your identities in raging about that "evil" on the internet


Oh, jeez. **** you.
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Tell me you have nothing left to argue without telling me you have nothing left to argue.
 
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