***** OFFICIAL PURGING OF THE DEEP STATE *****

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Tailgate88
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swampstander said:

will25u said:




Was…


Learn to code.
nortex97
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And Rebecca Slaughter. Former Chuck Schumer policy advisor.
Ag87H2O
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will25u said:

Judge in 3..2..1.


Now that's how you do it. I know the bureaucrats will try, but it's hard to argue against a Cabinet Secretary reorganizing/downsizing a segment of the Department in order to streamline and optimize funding, enabling it to better accomplish departmental goals and strategies.
Ellis Wyatt
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Ag87H2O said:

will25u said:

Judge in 3..2..1.


Now that's how you do it. I know the bureaucrats will try, but it's hard to argue against a Cabinet Secretary reorganizing/downsizing a segment of the Department in order to streamline and optimize funding, enabling it to better accomplish departmental goals and strategies.
Yeah, they're still going to sue to obstruct Trump and the will of the people.
txags92
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Ag87H2O said:

will25u said:

Judge in 3..2..1.


Now that's how you do it. I know the bureaucrats will try, but it's hard to argue against a Cabinet Secretary reorganizing/downsizing a segment of the Department in order to streamline and optimize funding, enabling it to better accomplish departmental goals and strategies.
And yet somehow the dems will do so successfully in front of a biden or obama appointed judge who will step in and assert their own authority to stop the action in place of the lawful authority of the SecDef.
Ag87H2O
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Ag87H2O said:

will25u said:

Judge in 3..2..1.


Now that's how you do it. I know the bureaucrats will try, but it's hard to argue against a Cabinet Secretary reorganizing/downsizing a segment of the Department in order to streamline and optimize funding, enabling it to better accomplish departmental goals and strategies.
Yeah, they're still going to sue to obstruct Trump and the will of the people.
I know they will try, but it will be hard to blame DOGE on this one since the order came from Hegseth himself after a month on the job to review DOGE findings along with looking at the departmental structure himself. It's not a departmentwide cut either, it's cutting one segment likely to ultimately shift funds where they are needed like shipbuilding or weapons procurement. It may be wishful thinking, but it seems to me that this one has a pretty good chance of holding even with a court challenge.
LMCane
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nortex97 said:

And Rebecca Slaughter. Former Chuck Schumer policy advisor.
Great news.
LMCane
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My buddy is a member of the Wilson Institute!

Colonel in the ANG but a Bernie Bros although he has a lot of Republican friends.

this is great news.

look what the "nonpartisan" Wilson Institute spends taxpayer funding on:

China Environment Forum

Since 1997, the China Environment Forum's mission has been to forge US-China cooperation on energy, environment, and sustainable development challenges. We play a unique nonpartisan role in creating multi-stakeholder dialogues around these issues.
LMCane
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Union sues Trump administration for shutting down student loan repayment plans
Published Wed, Mar 19 20259:03 AM EDTUpdated 20 Min Ago

The American Federation of Teachers is suing the U.S. Department of Education for shutting down access to affordable repayment plans for millions of student loan borrowers.

The AFT, one of the country's biggest labor unions, filed the lawsuit in district court in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday over the Trump administration's decision to take down the applications for income-driven repayment plans.

"By effectively freezing the nation's student loan system, the new administration seems intent on making life harder for working people, including for millions of borrowers who have taken on student debt so they can go to college," said AFT President Randi Weingarten in a statement.

Congress created the first income-driven repayment plans in the 1990s to make federal student loan borrowers' bills more affordable. The plans limit people's monthly payments to a share of their discretionary income and cancel any remaining debt after a certain period, typically 20 years or 25 years.

More than 12 million people were enrolled in IDR plans as of September 2024, according to higher education expert Mark Kantrowitz.

On its website, the Education Department cites a recent court order as its reason for taking down IDR plan applications. That was a decision from an appeals court in February blocking the Biden administration's new IDR plan, known as SAVE, or Saving on a Valuable Education.

"The Department is working to ensure these programs conform with the 8th Circuit's ruling, and anticipates the revised form allowing borrowers to change repayment plans to be available as soon as next week," a spokesperson for the agency told CNBC.
Ellis Wyatt
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Obstruction.
will25u
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txags92
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will25u said:


Found the NYT source?
BTKAG97
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LMCane said:

My buddy is a member of the Wilson Institute!

Colonel in the ANG but a Bernie Bros although he has a lot of Republican friends.

this is great news.

look what the "nonpartisan" Wilson Institute spends taxpayer funding on:

China Environment Forum

Since 1997, the China Environment Forum's mission has been to forge US-China cooperation on energy, environment, and sustainable development challenges. We play a unique nonpartisan role in creating multi-stakeholder dialogues around these issues.
So they spend millions to stand around and talk.
will25u
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Big_Time_Timmy_Jim
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TREASON

hang him.
Ulysses90
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Big_Time_Timmy_Jim said:

TREASON

hang him.
A public televised trial and sentencing would do a lot to change treasonous behavior. There are strong reputational benefits and some drawbacks to executing the full authority of the law.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/

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But I did not want to shoot the elephant. I watched him beating his bunch of grass against his knees, with that preoccupied grandmotherly air that elephants have. It seemed to me that it would be murder to shoot him. At that age I was not squeamish about killing animals, but I had never shot an elephant and never wanted to. (Somehow it always seems worse to kill a large animal.) Besides, there was the beast's owner to be considered. Alive, the elephant was worth at least a hundred pounds; dead, he would only be worth the value of his tusks, five pounds, possibly. But I had got to act quickly. I turned to some experienced-looking Burmans who had been there when we arrived, and asked them how the elephant had been behaving. They all said the same thing: he took no notice of you if you left him alone, but he might charge if you went too close to him.
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Afterwards, of course, there were endless discussions about the shooting of the elephant. The owner was furious, but he was only an Indian and could do nothing. Besides, legally I had done the right thing, for a mad elephant has to be killed, like a mad dog, if its owner fails to control it. Among the Europeans opinion was divided. The older men said I was right, the younger men said it was a damn shame to shoot an elephant for killing a coolie, because an elephant was worth more than any damn Coringhee coolie. And afterwards I was very glad that the coolie had been killed; it put me legally in the right and it gave me a sufficient pretext for shooting the elephant. I often wondered whether any of the others grasped that I had done it solely to avoid looking a fool.
~George Orwell
nortex97
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Just another day at the office for Pete.
techno-ag
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nortex97 said:

Just another day at the office for Pete.

This is something we truly love to see. Remember when Obummer Care rolled out and the website didn't work?
Trump will fix it.
nortex97
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100 percent. And this. This is what the 'Musk derangement' folks are livid about, really, that this is being exposed/stopped. Seriously, encourage everyone to click through to expand this:

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He's pulling the mask off, and it's wild.

1]. IRS' Massive IT Dept. Outstrips Midsize Banks by 175x Budget and 40x Staff

"A typical midsize bank will have somewhere between 1 and 200 people in IT and they have an operations and maintenance budget in like the $20 million a year range. We have 8,000 people in IT, and our operations and maintenance budget is $3.5 billion a year. I don't really know why yet."

2]. Contractors Eat Up 80% of IRS' Massive Operations Budget

"I will tell that you 80% of that budget goes to contractors and licensesWe cannot perform the basic functions of tax collection without paying a toll to all these contractors."

3]. IRS' Modernization Is a $3.7 Billion Money Pit

"We have a $3.5 billion operations maintenance budget. We have $3.7 billion modernization effort within it. That's a lot of budget and way beyond any reasonable cost for what you would expect at a private company for this."

4]. Ghost Contracts Bleed Millions With No Accountability

"You find contracts that are 10, 20, 30, $50 million and you just ask like, why are we doing this? And everyone's just like, meh, I don't know. And then you cancel it and then nothing happens. It's just inertia, has just taken over."
Just incredible stuff. I never expected to see folks going through this stuff in my lifetime and talking about it publicly.
Tailgate88
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That really deserves it's own thread.

Liberals, how can you not be outraged by this? It's your money that is being wasted too! Take the red pill already! Admit you have been fooled for years.
oh no
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Tailgate88 said:



Liberals, how can you not be outraged by this? It's your money that is being wasted too!
too much of their base is government-dependent recipients instead of government theft victims, so they don't care how corrupt or wasteful government is - their enemy is making it smaller
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https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/03/20/showdown-at-foggy-bottom-doge-uses-police-to-evict-barricaded-bureaucrats-n2186886

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DOGE employees, with the aid of a master key and DC Metropolitan Police Department officers, finally gained control of the massive office building in Foggy Bottom on Monday, ending a standoff by US Institute of Peace bureaucrats barricaded in their offices. On Monday evening, DOGE employees accompanied by MPD officers and high-ranking administration officials stormed the building using a master key provided by the building security service, precipitating a brief scuffle before the building was liberated.

The incident began on February 19, when President Trump signed an executive order firing the head of the USIP, replacing him with a State Department official, and ordering the agency wound down to its "statutory minimum." The chairman of USIP's board, George Moose, determined that President Trump did not have the authority to take over the agency. Friday evening, DOGE staffers arrived and were denied entry to the building.
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techno-ag said:

nortex97 said:

Just another day at the office for Pete.

This is something we truly love to see. Remember when Obummer Care rolled out and the website didn't work?

Good lord these government IT projects are a disgrace. In private sector, in my experience, if we start getting anywhere above 5% off schedule or budget red flags go up. Anything at 10% or above and heads are rolling.
techno-ag
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Yeah the gov just throws more money at it.
nortex97
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Update on DOGE: The NYT somehow agrees with me.
GCRanger
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nortex97 said:

100 percent. And this. This is what the 'Musk derangement' folks are livid about, really, that this is being exposed/stopped. Seriously, encourage everyone to click through to expand this:

Quote:

He's pulling the mask off, and it's wild.

1]. IRS' Massive IT Dept. Outstrips Midsize Banks by 175x Budget and 40x Staff

"A typical midsize bank will have somewhere between 1 and 200 people in IT and they have an operations and maintenance budget in like the $20 million a year range. We have 8,000 people in IT, and our operations and maintenance budget is $3.5 billion a year. I don't really know why yet."

2]. Contractors Eat Up 80% of IRS' Massive Operations Budget

"I will tell that you 80% of that budget goes to contractors and licensesWe cannot perform the basic functions of tax collection without paying a toll to all these contractors."

3]. IRS' Modernization Is a $3.7 Billion Money Pit

"We have a $3.5 billion operations maintenance budget. We have $3.7 billion modernization effort within it. That's a lot of budget and way beyond any reasonable cost for what you would expect at a private company for this."

4]. Ghost Contracts Bleed Millions With No Accountability

"You find contracts that are 10, 20, 30, $50 million and you just ask like, why are we doing this? And everyone's just like, meh, I don't know. And then you cancel it and then nothing happens. It's just inertia, has just taken over."
Just incredible stuff. I never expected to see folks going through this stuff in my lifetime and talking about it publicly.

I worked for an O&G major in early two thousands and was a systems analyst and IT PM for migrations off of mainframes and JDE and into SAP, windows and web based systems. Migrating the US and Latin America cash management systems cost about $4 million (about 50/50 on internal vs external costs) and about 8 of us directly on the team. We also worked with infrastructure folks on setting up servers and environments. The projects only took about three years. This was also while going through a merger and subsequent layoffs.

Hearing about the IT dept size and cost for the IRS is infuriating, especially as my current O&G employer is going through massive restructure and major layoffs to get more efficient and reduce costs.
oh no
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I've helped sell and worked on dozens of mainframe to ERP implementations from the early 2000s onward as well as some massive migration and conversion projects from one ERP to another. They are expensive. But the exponential amount of money our government spends on contracts is outrageous and infuriating. ...that DOGE guy explaining that the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank then putting dollars and YEARS context to the IRS IT operations is mind-blowing.
Ag87H2O
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nortex97 said:

Update on DOGE: The NYT somehow agrees with me.

Well, our federal government has been one giant money laundering/left wing subsidizing organization for decades. Trump is right to end these taxpayer funded subsidies that have kept the Democrat Party afloat.

It the Democrats can't make it on their policies and messaging without taxpayer dollars footing their bills and graft, so much the better for America.
captkirk
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Ulysses90
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oh no said:

I've helped sell and worked on dozens of mainframe to ERP implementations from the early 2000s onward as well as some massive migration and conversion projects from one ERP to another. They are expensive. But the exponential amount of money our government spends on contracts is outrageous and infuriating. ...that DOGE guy explaining that the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank then putting dollars and YEARS context to the IRS IT operations is mind-blowing.


I got to hear Tom Love speak to a software acquisition seminar at Defense Acquisition University about 15 years ago. Tom invented Objective C and convinced Steve Jobs that the NextStep OS, and later iOS, should be coded in Objective C. Tom's company, Shoulders Corporation, specialized in large software re-engineering projects.

He started his presentation with stats grom GAO on government software acquisition program which found that 85% of software development programs were >50% over budget and over a year behind schedule. Less than 10% of government software programs that 'succeed' (i.e. aren't canceled) deliver the originally described functionality. It's just abysmal and the success rate for DoD business system software is actually worse than for weapons system software.

Tom said that software improvement (adding new functionality) to an old code base is almost always doomed to fail. Software re-engineering in a modern programming language with modular design and well-commented source code usually succeeds and often finishes below budget and on schedule.

Tom cited as an example the re-engineering project he did for ADP. ADP software wad written in COBOL in the 1960s and ran on IBM mainframes. They had bought up as much discontinued IBM hardware as they could find around the globe but they could forsee the day when it failed and they had no fallback. They had also run out of COBOL software engineers and kept paying a lot of retirees to fix problems as consultants on-call. ADP processed, at that time, payrolls for almost 80% of the Fortune 500. If their system crashed it would have huge and immediate impact on the consumer economy and certainly the stock market.

Tom delivered a new code base for ADP written in a modern programming language to run on modern cost effective servers with robust data backup and redundancy for fail-back. The new software had only 20% of the SLOCs that the old COBOL software had. The Board of Directors had allowed for five years to recoup the cost of the software re-engineering project but were thrilled when after the first year of operation on the new software, ADP already had a 40% ROI for the project. Tom said that as a rule, an 80% reduction in the number of lines of source code is typical for a re-engineering project.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -James Madison
LMCane
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Tailgate88 said:

That really deserves it's own thread.

Liberals, how can you not be outraged by this? It's your money that is being wasted too! Take the red pill already! Admit you have been fooled for years.
You are operating under a false assumption.

that "waste and corruption" pays for many of the leftist's homes, boats and second homes.

why would they be outraged?!
captkirk
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American Hardwood
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The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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Trump mowing them down. It's like Christmas every day under this administration.
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