*****Official Reciprocal Tariff Thread*****

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Yeah… as much as I think these tariffs/trade deals are great for the USA, I think the courts will decide that Trump overstepped his authority and that Congress has to approve. I think many of these tariffs are going away.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ahead-friday-deadline-appeals-court-lawfulness-trumps-sweeping/story?id=124244809
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Some light reading this morning. Quick assessment would seem to lean Trump's way regarding setting various tariff rates.

Trump's team has been a couple steps ahead of the courts all along and ultimately prevailing time and again at SCOTUS. Trump is following the law. The court in the article above has judges using rhetoric like "death knell to the Constitution" and then demanding Trump justify every single detail to the satisfaction of the court. More judicial overstep. They are not there to question the judgment of POTUS, they are simply opining on their interpretation of the law and constitution.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48435
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Separation of Powers Over Tariffs
Congressional Delegations of Tariff Authorities to the President
Article I, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, known as the Legislative Vesting Clause, provides that "[a]ll legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States."3 Article I, Section 8 includes among Congress's specific powers the power to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations"4 and the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises."5 The Constitution thus gives Congress the power to enact legislation imposing tariffs, although it qualifies this power by providing that tariffs "shall be uniform throughout the United States"6 and by prohibiting tariffs on U.S. exports.7

In the exercise of its constitutional powers, Congress has enacted laws granting various tariff authorities to the President. The U.S. Supreme Court and lower federal courts have sometimes been faced with deciding constitutional challenges to these laws in cases where plaintiffs claimed the laws impermissibly delegated Congress's power over legislation and tariffs to the executive branch. Supreme Court decisions upholding tariff laws have become landmarks in the development of a broader "nondelegation doctrine" concerning the extent to which Congress may lawfully delegate authority to the executive branch.8

For example, in Marshall Field & Co. v. Clark,9 the Supreme Court upheld a provision of the Tariff Act of 1890 directing the President to suspend duty-free importation of sugar, molasses, coffee, tea, and hides in the event he was "satisfied that the government of any country producing and exporting [those products], imposes duties or other exactions upon the agricultural or other products of the United States, which . . . he may deem to be reciprocally unequal and unreasonable."10 U.S. importers adversely affected by the President's use of this suspension authority claimed that it unconstitutionally delegated Congress's legislative power to the President.11 The Supreme Court disagreed, holding that the challenged provision "does not, in any real sense, invest the president with the power of legislation."12 Rather, because the provision required the President to suspend duty-free treatment for certain goods if he found another country's duties were "reciprocally unequal and unreasonable," it made the President "the mere agent of the law-making department."13 Thus, the Court explained, the challenged provision called upon the President not to make law but simply to execute a law enacted by Congress.14

Reinforcing the latitude Marshall Field afforded to Congress, the Supreme Court in J.W. Hampton, Jr., & Co. v. United States15 upheld a provision of the Tariff Act of 1922 requiring the President to increase or decrease tariff rates as necessary to "equalize . . . differences in costs of production" between articles produced in the United States and "like or similar" articles produced in foreign countries.16 As in Marshall Field, the Court rejected a constitutional challenge to this law from affected importers who argued Congress had impermissibly delegated its legislative power to the President.17 The Court held that the challenged provision was "not a forbidden delegation of legislative power" since it set forth "an intelligible principle to which the person or body authorized to fix [tariff] rates is directed to conform"18namely, to vary tariff rates so as to equalize production costs between the United States and foreign countries. J.W. Hampton set a key precedent that Congress may delegate authority to the executive branchin tariff and other mattersprovided that it sets forth an "intelligible principle" to govern the executive's actions.19

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Carney apparently thought they had strong cards to play. That is a funny account on X:

Canadians made their bed by electing this Sino-banker leftist.

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So, in other words, "Brazil is about to lose, bigly."
will25u
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Now do Indian H1Bs.


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Talk about pissing away an opportunity. India had a real chance to make China mostly irrelevant. Instead it cozies up to Russia? Maybe China but they haven't always been friends.

Stupid India gonna be stupid.
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I saw Trump pushed off the CCP tariffs another 90 days, and the Swiss are all pissy about not being given special treatment.
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"The country is in shock," said Oscar Mazzoleni, political science professor at the University of Lausanne. "For many reasons the Swiss considered themselves a privileged ally of the USA. Like London, Switzerland for example represents the U.S. in Iran at the diplomatic level," he said.

He added that Trump's tariff "will produce effects that are currently unpredictable given that in Swiss politics there is an ongoing repositioning away from the USA and a rapprochement with the EU."
Switzerland isn't alone in reconsidering F-35s.

Spain just ruled out buying the F-35, confirming it will instead choose between the European-made Eurofighter and the Future Combat Air System, a Franco-German project with Spanish industrial involvement.

Portugal is also getting cold feet over the fighters. After Trump threatened to annex Canada and hit it with tariffs, Ottawa began to rethink its own purchases of F-35s, although a recent defense review found it made sense to continue with the American jets.

Whatever, we still are the only ones in the west even making a stealth fighter jet still.

India 50% pushed to August 27th, and we are talking with them again?
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"Don't worry!! it's only been 8 months that Trump is in office- we will still see massive inflation NEXT month!!"

Dow futures rally 200 points after lighter-than-expected inflation data
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would love to hear from the Marxists why their predictions of doom and gloom

have failed to materialize over the last 240 days.

how is it that you have been proven so wrong? (again)
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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My favorite reply:
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Too little, too late.

Canada needs to come forward with an all-inclusive trade proposal. Until then, Trump tariffs stay in place. Canadian timber, auto, mineral industries are being hollowed out. Once they are gone, they will not come back.

Time is not on Canada's side.

But, sure, stop buying American maple syrup and whiskey. That will show Trump !

Seriously, they haven't touched steel, aluminum, dairy etc. It's a mess up there. The Chinese investment-banker guy running the place is in way over his head, as predicted. Telling a guy like Trump 'hey we will give you this as a good will gesture, please talk to us' is just rock-stupid as a negotiating ploy.
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Trump should send them some TACO salads from his grill. Extra olives.
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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Trump say no back-back-back-back-back-order slips!
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Will see who this hurts first; the US or the Swiss/Dutch etc.
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The de minimis threshold inbound to Switzerland is $6.23USD over that, no exemption.

Seems like it's only the US that has to bend over backwards and give it all away for free and everyone else can do what they wants.
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Sims said:

The de minimis threshold inbound to Switzerland is $6.23USD over that, no exemption.

Seems like it's only the US that has to bend over backwards and give it all away for free and everyone else can do what they wants.

Minor edit.

And the US with Trump at the helm is not bending over for anyone.
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So much for the 'tariffs will lead to an economic collapse/massive inflation' talking point stuff.
BTHOB
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BTHOB said:

Yeah… as much as I think these tariffs/trade deals are great for the USA, I think the courts will decide that Trump overstepped his authority and that Congress has to approve. I think many of these tariffs are going away.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ahead-friday-deadline-appeals-court-lawfulness-trumps-sweeping/story?id=124244809


Exactly what I feared would happen. Maybe SCOTUS overrules this?

ETA: This is in response to Federal court ruling today.
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amercer
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Congress can tax.

Not the president.

Republicans control congress. So if Trump would bother to do things the right way, he could have all his tariffs.
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amercer said:

Congress can tax.

Not the president.

Republicans control congress. So if Trump would bother to do things the right way, he could have all his tariffs.


Unless they approved the tariffs using reconciliation somehow, it would require 60 votes in the Senate. And we all know that ain't happening.

So could he really get the tariffs through Congress?
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Bondi is right though. It's not up to the courts to decide when there is, is not a national emergency.

His emergency powers are limited, no? That is the check.

Is "national emergency" another legal term like "for cause" that only SCOTUS can define?

From a SCOTUS who has a justice that could not even define what a woman is… cause she ain't a biologist?
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You may find that when President Newsom declares a
bunch of national emergencies, that you wish a court could review them.
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amercer said:

President Newsom

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amercer said:

You may find that when President Newsom declares a
bunch of national emergencies, that you wish a court could review them.


You think these courts would challenge a Dem POTUS like this? Hardly. Yes missah Newsom, how manies emergencies may I fetch fo ya sir.

These lib judges rule the judiciary. Trump and the Senate need to get busy reworking the system.
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flown-the-coop said:

amercer said:

You may find that when President Newsom declares a
bunch of national emergencies, that you wish a court could review them.


You think these courts would challenge a Dem POTUS like this? Hardly. Yes missah Newsom, how manies emergencies may I fetch fo ya sir.

These lib judges rule the judiciary. Trump and the Senate need to get busy reworking the system.


I think the next president will truly be a king if he wants. So I hope he has good intentions.
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amercer said:

Congress can tax.

Not the president.

Republicans control congress. So if Trump would bother to do things the right way, he could have all his tariffs.


This poster has never heard of the filibuster.
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Logos Stick said:

amercer said:

Congress can tax.

Not the president.

Republicans control congress. So if Trump would bother to do things the right way, he could have all his tariffs.


This poster has never heard of the filibuster.


I've heard of the constitution though.

Pretty much everything Trump has done would be legal and beyond review if he just did it the right way.
 
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