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So this was the lead article on CNN and Fox News, etc, when the Dems were making their big statement. And now that they've caved, it's no where to be found.

MSM sux

And enforce the $500 a day fine AND continue the process of removing them from office. Do not give an inch on any of the punishments. This will assure PR stunts like this don't happen again.

Forgive all the punishments and you just enable the next petulant childish act.

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Not sure what you are talking about. Yesterday as I was doom scrolling through Youtube TV, both Fox News and CNN had this whole thing as part of their lead headlines and had segments dedicated to it.

Ok.....yes....same stuff posted about months ago. I'm referencing actions of the state leadership. Actions of the last legislative session (regular). Results of the session. Results in primary actions. Actions and results. That's what I'm referencing. No other state in the US has had as conservative production as the actions and results of Texas' executive, legislative and judicial branches.

Not sure what you are referencing. There are conservatives in the Texas House. The speaker and his comrades are not among them.

Prob is, Dems have just about gerrymandered their states to death to the point that in the case of Mass and a few others there could be a SCOTUS challenge about some sort of representation for republicans.
The red states on the other hand are not nearly as tampered with, yet. We could all play this game.

What I will say has been enlightening about this thread is how many of you have never paid attention to anything at the state level before yet have an opinion about what should be happening now. If you had been paying attention, you would know that Abbott and the legislature were planning on a special session even before the original session ended because Dan Patrick focused on **** that wasn't important to Texans. At that time, there was absolutely NO talk of redistricting. Everyone was aligned on what items would be discussed and brought up for the SS. Abbott even laid out a plan as to how to get the hemp bill handled. Even when redistricting came up, the Dems were actually on board with it all *IF* they could get flood relief passed first and foremost. They vowed not to leave and stay to get whatever needed to get done..done. But Patrick had other ideas. The GOP also didn't anticipate the amount of folks showing up in pubic against redistricting, much like they were caught with their pants down regarding the Hemp bill. The dems pulled the only card they had, which everyone KNEW they would pull because that's what they do. And you know what is going to happen to them? Not a damn thing.

I don't care that we are redistricting. I do care that we only considered it because Trump asked. But that just goes to show how weak Abbott, Patrick and Paxton are. They should have anticipate this.

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"Destroying us"?

We have the most conservative state leadership team in the country. Republicans run all 3 branches of government, handily. The last session provided a huge conservative result in legislation passed. There is a reason Trump went to Texas to bolster the national mid-term changes in the US Congress. As the decades growth in Texas has by-far been concentrated in the I-35 corridor and Houston (the urban areas), these results in how Texas is managed / led have been nothing but a conservative miracle, impressive strategy and impressive tactics.

I guess like everything in life, it could always go farther or be a little better but I think "destroying us" is far from accurate.

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Burrows is so "conservative" that he got more democrat votes for speaker than republican votes. Those dem votes he got came with a price.

I believe Burrows has left Gene Wu (Funded by the CCP, btw) even to this very moment still on the House redistricting committee.

He can't betray his Democrat base which elected him speaker. Rosenthal is still the Vice-Chair.

Never forget: Gene Wu voted for Speaker Burrows.

Burrows then put Wu on the new REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE.

Exactly ZERO Democrats have had their committee assignments, Chairmanships, Vice-Chairmanships, or seniority stripped.

Of course not...

DEMOCRATS elected Burrows. pic.twitter.com/WVimjwGZwl

— Brian Harrison (@brianeharrison) August 9, 2025

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No other state in the US has had as conservative production as the actions and results of Texas' executive, legislative and judicial branches.

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Dude, this isn't anywhere close to being true!

AL, TN, NE, WY, ID, AR, just to name a few!

Again. I'm measuring actions and results of the legislative body in the general session.

so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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Expectation is the next special session will start next Wednesday. Redistricting will pass Wednesday afternoon.

Ok, so whatever the measure is, I shouldn't have used an absolute term. Yes, probably not the "most conservative" state in the union but definitely in the family of those that are. And the largest conservative state in that family (by population and US representation and land mass and influence on a national level etc).

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LMCane said:

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so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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Expectation is the next special session will start next Wednesday. Redistricting will pass Wednesday afternoon.

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thanks FC

so it has been passed by Senate,

and the House will vote next wednesday and then goes immediately to Abbott for signing?

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I don't care that we are redistricting. I do care that we only considered it because Trump asked. But that just goes to show how weak Abbott, Patrick and Paxton are. They should have anticipate this.

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Amazingly, under the "leadership" of Straus, Bonnen, Phelan, and Burrows, all the same stripe of "republican," we continue to run out of time before considering all the things the people of Texas want done. Part of that is because every one of them has chosen to share power with democrats rather than acting as the majority party. Of course what Burrows has done is the worst because he and his comrades defied his oath to the Texas GOP and pulled in democrats to gain his speakership. He is acting on democrat interests because that is who installed him.

I would rather Abbott and Patrick not have to be so involved. Sadly, the republicans are a minority party in the body they have majority numbers in.

this is a +5 seat map for the GOP?

of course now all the leftist states will just completely eliminate every single GOP seat

there better be EVERY Republican state redistricting right now else we are going to be @#$@#

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Ok, so whatever the measure is, I shouldn't have used an absolute term. Yes, probably not the "most conservative" state in the union but definitely in the family of those that are. And the largest conservative state in that family (by population and US representation and land mass and influence on a national level etc).

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And yet conservatives have almost no voice in the Texas House since democrats control it.

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I don't care that we are redistricting. I do care that we only considered it because Trump asked. But that just goes to show how weak Abbott, Patrick and Paxton are. They should have anticipate this.

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Amazingly, under the "leadership" of Straus, Bonnen, Phelan, and Burrows, all the same stripe of "republican," we continue to run out of time before considering all the things the people of Texas want done. Part of that is because every one of them has chosen to share power with democrats rather than acting as the majority party. Of course what Burrows has done is the worst because he and his comrades defied his oath to the Texas GOP and pulled in democrats to gain his speakership. He is acting on democrat interests because that is who installed him.

I would rather Abbott and Patrick not have to be so involved. Sadly, the republicans are a minority party in the body they have majority numbers in.

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Why do you blame the House? Even Abbott blames Patrick for the bs that is going on

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LMCane said:

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so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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Expectation is the next special session will start next Wednesday. Redistricting will pass Wednesday afternoon.

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thanks FC

so it has been passed by Senate,

and the House will vote next wednesday and then goes immediately to Abbott for signing?

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Not quite. Each session is independent. So anything that's not completely finished has to start over. In this case the Senate has to reapprove the map.

Well, it doesn't help that Abbott and Patrick are at odds on some issues too. Kills momentum and concentrated influence. I guess we could go from a every-other-year session to a continuous / annual session and keep progress going outside of special sessions? But not sure any Texan would be convinced that more legislation / legislative effort is actually good for the state. We spend a year cleaning up after each session and addressing fixes the following session. Sine Die is frequently a godsend for most of the state to "exhale" for a bit.

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LMCane said:

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so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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Expectation is the next special session will start next Wednesday. Redistricting will pass Wednesday afternoon.

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thanks FC

so it has been passed by Senate,

and the House will vote next wednesday and then goes immediately to Abbott for signing?

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Not quite. Each session is independent. So anything that's not completely finished has to start over. In this case the Senate has to reapprove the map.

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I didn't know this. But I'm guessing Senate passes Wednesday as well amd Abbott signs Thursday.

P.S. - If Trump came down for the signing, it would be a huge middle finger to the Dems.

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Why do you blame the House? Even Abbott blames Patrick for the bs that is going on

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Patrick didn't elect a speaker with a majority of democrat support. Patrick isn't letting democrats control committees. Patrick has not been the common denominator going back to at least Straus.

I would rather Trump stay away as it isn't really a Trump issue. Texas voters need to hold our reps accountable and throw some people out on their asses.

School vouchers, bail reform amendment, abolishing Lottery Commission and tightening oversight, water infrastructure, 10 commandments in school, DEI abolishment in schools, Trans issues, Abortion items, Vaccine items, more property tax cuts amendment, higher ed oversight, R&D tax credits, reducing regulatory red tape on business, etc etc.

That's a pretty conservative and productive result from a Texas legislative session. Not sure there are any real liberal wins or at least a list half that sized of results.

Thanks for explaining a version of the state of politics in the State of Texas.

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so we all know the media are PRAVDA liars and cannot be trusted

for those of us not in Texas- what's actually really happening now?

will the redistricting at the end of the day be pushed through?

and when will we know?

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Expectation is the next special session will start next Wednesday. Redistricting will pass Wednesday afternoon.

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thanks FC

so it has been passed by Senate,

and the House will vote next wednesday and then goes immediately to Abbott for signing?

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Senate has ro do it again. What they did in 1st session is dead because it didnt pass in house.

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this is a +5 seat map for the GOP?

of course now all the leftist states will just completely eliminate every single GOP seat

there better be EVERY Republican state redistricting right now else we are going to be @#$@#

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How about our politicians try and just win elections based on policies that are widely popular with their constituents.

This process of redistricting should bother everyone.

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I would rather Trump stay away as it isn't really a Trump issue. Texas voters need to hold our reps accountable and throw some people out on their asses.

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Or let the people voted into office perform their job for the people that voted them into office.

Dems first.

Nonsense. Massachusetts isn't gerrymandered at all. There isn't a map that could be drawn that would create a single Republican district anywhere in the state. See for yourself. Massachusetts 9th Congressional District is the only one in the state with more than zero precincts going to Republicans, and it still went +13 Democrat.

Popular vote percentage versus percentage of districts won is a poor metric for identifying gerrymandering. In most states, over/under representation in the house tends to be a function of urbanization rather than gerrymandering. Rural regions lean overwhelmingly Republican, and urban regions lean overwhelmingly Democrat. Naturally, this results in regions of concentrated support for each party. Nonetheless, there are still members of each party in both regions in meaningful numbers whose votes are overwhelmed by the dominant party of their region. The result is that more urbanized states (California, New York) tend to overrepresent Democrats and less urbanized states (Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio) tend to overrepresent Republicans.

Illinois is the preeminent example of a partisan gerrymander. Still, eliminating this gerrymander would net Republicans no more than 3 or 4 seats, which is not enough to balance the popular vote versus districts won. California, if they eliminate their non-partisan redistricting commission, could create a map with nearly all districts leaning Democrat by partitioning the populations of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Diego with rural areas, eliminating up to 9 Republican seats. New York, with its population so concentrated in NYC would have a more difficult time creating such a partisan gerrymander, but they could probably eliminate the 3 Republican districts on Long Island and Staten Island without much difficulty. Texas already has some pretty egregious gerrymandering.

Republicans should be wary. Parceling out Democrat populations into Republican districts necessarily makes those Republican districts more competitive. If Republicans have a poor showing at the midterms, then such a gerrymander could seriously backfire. Conversely, the same applies for California, Illinois, and New York Democrats if they have a poor showing.

We will be fine, just stay focused on grinding the enemies (democrats) to our way of life to du.

Don't be dense. On a precinct level, there is simply no contiguous region in the entire state that would create a Republican majority district. You would literally have to create a gerrymander crawling across the state to create a Republican district. Even then, you'd get no more than 1 district. Spare me the gaslighting accusations.

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Don't be dense. On a precinct level, there is simply no contiguous region in the entire state that would create a Republican majority district. You would literally have to create a gerrymander crawling across the state to create a Republican district. Even then, you'd get no more than 1 district. Spare me the gaslighting accusations.

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Considering how ridiculous some gerrymanders have been before (like connecting 2 areas by an area that only has a road in it), they COULD come up with one if they wanted to.

But they don't want to.

I know. As mentioned, Texas' 35th Congressional District is a notable example as such. I haven't even claimed that Democrats don't gerrymander. I even said that Illinois is the best example of partisan gerrymander.

Democrat's don't need to gerrymander Massachusetts. As you rightly state, they could indeed could come up with some convoluted gerrymander designed to create one Republican district. But this would require taking their non-gerrymandered map and creating a partisan gerrymander in favor of Republicans, which we both know is not going to happen.

We could resolve a lot of these issues of representation by increasing the cap on the size of the House of Representatives. It's an artificial cap, not mandated by the constitution. At the founding of the country we had approximately 1 representative for every 30,000 constituents. Today, we have approximately 1 representative for every 800,000 constituents.

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We could resolve a lot of these issues of representation by increasing the cap on the size of the House of Representatives. It's an artificial cap, not mandated by the constitution. At the founding of the country we had approximately 1 representative for every 30,000 constituents. Today, we have approximately 1 representative for every 800,000 constituents.

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Wouldn't this be awesome? Arlington would have 13 members in the House of Representatives.